Comments on: The Pentagon’s Toxic Legacy http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/the-pentagons-toxic-legacy/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:26:27 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: hp http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/the-pentagons-toxic-legacy/#comment-20413 hp Wed, 14 May 2008 16:37:30 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1992#comment-20413 The truth sucks. The truth sucks.

]]> By: evie http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/the-pentagons-toxic-legacy/#comment-20400 evie Wed, 14 May 2008 11:17:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1992#comment-20400 Heehee. If there's a $ sign on the rock you can bet there are snakes under it. It's the Amerikun way, and that's an incovenient truth. Heehee. If there’s a $ sign on the rock you can bet there are snakes under it. It’s the Amerikun way, and that’s an incovenient truth.

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/the-pentagons-toxic-legacy/#comment-20399 Hue Longer Wed, 14 May 2008 10:56:55 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1992#comment-20399 sorry, Evie I don't know what you think I think I know...I just imagine is all sorry, Evie

I don’t know what you think I think I know…I just imagine is all

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/the-pentagons-toxic-legacy/#comment-20398 Hue Longer Wed, 14 May 2008 10:52:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1992#comment-20398 I love Evie, I love her want and ability to find the snake under any rock and even more love her thick skin to keep coming back. It's easy having one's positions being attacked by familiar angles that do nothing but give comfort, but Evie delivers! I've disagreed and challenged her so she knows I'm not patronizing...I think it's far more productive debating her than arguing with Jaime I love Evie,

I love her want and ability to find the snake under any rock and even more love her thick skin to keep coming back. It’s easy having one’s positions being attacked by familiar angles that do nothing but give comfort, but Evie delivers!

I’ve disagreed and challenged her so she knows I’m not patronizing…I think it’s far more productive debating her than arguing with Jaime

]]> By: evie http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/the-pentagons-toxic-legacy/#comment-20377 evie Wed, 14 May 2008 00:14:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1992#comment-20377 Carbon pollution tax eh? Energy intensive industries - bye bye, China/India here comes more jobs. Hello carbon levy fees on imports from non-carbon taxing nations. Hello to carbon "rebate" checks to qualified residents. And of course, whatever newly created bureaucracy necessary which will handle the revenue and divide those rebate checks equitably between the wealthy and the rest of us, promise. What a scam. Arnie's team of experts led by the Secretary of the CalEPA, calls for target reductions to year 2000 greenhouse gas emission levels by 2010, year 1990 emission levels by 2020 and emissions to 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. So .... in 42 years California air may be as clean and fresh, or hopefully a little better if targets are met, as it was in 1990! Bend over folks. Carbon pollution tax eh?

Energy intensive industries – bye bye, China/India here comes more jobs. Hello carbon levy fees on imports from non-carbon taxing nations.

Hello to carbon “rebate” checks to qualified residents. And of course, whatever newly created bureaucracy necessary which will handle the revenue and divide those rebate checks equitably between the wealthy and the rest of us, promise.

What a scam.

Arnie’s team of experts led by the Secretary of the CalEPA, calls for target reductions to year 2000 greenhouse gas emission levels by 2010, year 1990 emission levels by 2020 and emissions to 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050.

So …. in 42 years California air may be as clean and fresh, or hopefully a little better if targets are met, as it was in 1990!

Bend over folks.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/the-pentagons-toxic-legacy/#comment-20375 Don Hawkins Tue, 13 May 2008 22:41:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1992#comment-20375 Of course, as perhaps befits the oldest-ever serious contender for the presidency, McCain has embraced an outdated dichotomy: the suggestion that the climate-change choice is between "One extreme (that) thinks high taxes and crippling regulation is the solution" and "Another (that) denies the problem even exists." In fact, there are smart green solutions that are good for responsible businesses, consumers and taxpayers. McCain could learn about them by studying what European conservatives and even a few American Republicans, like California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, have been saying - and doing - for years. But, as McCain's ad establishes, he's not really serious about climate change. What he's serious about is neutralizing the environment as an issue in a presidential campaign season that will see millions of American voters - including a great many wavering Republicans - treat climate-change as an exceptionally serious election issue. By John Nichols The Nation Do you read DV Obama? Of course, as perhaps befits the oldest-ever serious contender for the presidency, McCain has embraced an outdated dichotomy: the suggestion that the climate-change choice is between “One extreme (that) thinks high taxes and crippling regulation is the solution” and “Another (that) denies the problem even exists.”
In fact, there are smart green solutions that are good for responsible businesses, consumers and taxpayers. McCain could learn about them by studying what European conservatives and even a few American Republicans, like California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, have been saying – and doing – for years.

But, as McCain’s ad establishes, he’s not really serious about climate change. What he’s serious about is neutralizing the environment as an issue in a presidential campaign season that will see millions of American voters – including a great many wavering Republicans – treat climate-change as an exceptionally serious election issue. By John Nichols The Nation

Do you read DV Obama?

]]> By: Erroll http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/the-pentagons-toxic-legacy/#comment-20374 Erroll Tue, 13 May 2008 22:12:54 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1992#comment-20374 Talk about desperation in trying to find a convenient whipping boy to blame. When in doubt, attack Ralph Nader. Pay no attention to the fact that it was the Reagan administration that allowed the corporations to pollute the environment in the 1980s or that the corporations and the lack of regulations for cracking down today may have something to do with the foul air today. Of course not, it must be that favorite scapegoat of liberals, Ralph Nader. Does Ms. Evie point out that Nader has made crackdown on corporate crime and corporate welfare and an end to corporate personhood and that Nader wishes to adopt a carbon pollution tax as part of his platform while Obama and Clinton and McCain have not said one word on this issue? No, because that would mean that she could not focus all of the world's ills upon Nader. Another less than reasoned argument by Ms. Evie. Talk about desperation in trying to find a convenient whipping boy to blame. When in doubt, attack Ralph Nader. Pay no attention to the fact that it was the Reagan administration that allowed the corporations to pollute the environment in the 1980s or that the corporations and the lack of regulations for cracking down today may have something to do with the foul air today. Of course not, it must be that favorite scapegoat of liberals, Ralph Nader.

Does Ms. Evie point out that Nader has made crackdown on corporate crime and corporate welfare and an end to corporate personhood and that Nader wishes to adopt a carbon pollution tax as part of his platform while Obama and Clinton and McCain have not said one word on this issue? No, because that would mean that she could not focus all of the world’s ills upon Nader. Another less than reasoned argument by Ms. Evie.

]]> By: evie http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/the-pentagons-toxic-legacy/#comment-20361 evie Tue, 13 May 2008 17:31:36 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1992#comment-20361 I know the Pentagon is criminal. I know government bureaucracies are criminal. But all that comes to mind upon reading this is - I want to thank Ralphie Nader, who takes credit and/or responsibility, for creating the EPA 37 years ago. Thank you Ralph for another multi-billion dollar sucking, specialized policy making corrupt bureaucracy. And 17,000 EPA inept employees and non-elected officials living high on the government hog with benefits thank you. Was someone saying something about a toxic legacy? I know the Pentagon is criminal. I know government bureaucracies are criminal.

But all that comes to mind upon reading this is – I want to thank Ralphie Nader, who takes credit and/or responsibility, for creating the EPA 37 years ago.

Thank you Ralph for another multi-billion dollar sucking, specialized policy making corrupt bureaucracy. And 17,000 EPA inept employees and non-elected officials living high on the government hog with benefits thank you.

Was someone saying something about a toxic legacy?

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