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		<title>By: Aaron Raul Pollard</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/barack-obama-vs-black-self-determination/#comment-26374</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Raul Pollard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally someone who understands the full mindset of Obamas handlers and the role he is playing, It makes no difference if he agrees with this role its a catch 22. The goal of his handlers (MALE DOMINATED EURO CACASIAN POWER STRUCTURE)will be fufilled, If he is elected and breaks away like Kennedy and suffers the same results then Blacks decide to riot, Marshall law many deaths BLACKWATER BLACKS TIED TO TERRORISM ETC KATRINA WAS JUST A DRESS REHEARSEL. Wake up Obama is an elitist with no ties to an American Dynasty.Hes a bastard child of the elite just like Bill Clinton(rockefeller)but hes not white and hasnt been in the game long enough to consolodate power.This is the best marketing campaign since Tommy Hillfigger Obamas the newest bling with the full backing of the highest global levels of commerce and government.UNTIL WE HAVE REAL POWER.A good percentage of FORTUNE 500 companies a Black Caucus as strong as the Israel lobby no matter what color the president is he will be white rewarding a few enslaving many.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally someone who understands the full mindset of Obamas handlers and the role he is playing, It makes no difference if he agrees with this role its a catch 22. The goal of his handlers (MALE DOMINATED EURO CACASIAN POWER STRUCTURE)will be fufilled, If he is elected and breaks away like Kennedy and suffers the same results then Blacks decide to riot, Marshall law many deaths BLACKWATER BLACKS TIED TO TERRORISM ETC KATRINA WAS JUST A DRESS REHEARSEL. Wake up Obama is an elitist with no ties to an American Dynasty.Hes a bastard child of the elite just like Bill Clinton(rockefeller)but hes not white and hasnt been in the game long enough to consolodate power.This is the best marketing campaign since Tommy Hillfigger Obamas the newest bling with the full backing of the highest global levels of commerce and government.UNTIL WE HAVE REAL POWER.A good percentage of FORTUNE 500 companies a Black Caucus as strong as the Israel lobby no matter what color the president is he will be white rewarding a few enslaving many.</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/barack-obama-vs-black-self-determination/#comment-21915</link>
		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glen,
Right now yours is a lonely voice, but that don&#039;t mean it&#039;s not 100% correct.

It just goes on and on and on, but we and the poor of the earth will survive it.

Ninety percent of us(AAs)weren&#039;t voting for this guy because despite the majority&#039;s inability to concieve of it, we are a people of conviction and integrity.

There&#039;s no difference between this guy and George Bush and we voted against Bush by (90%.

This &quot;all blacks for obama thing&quot; is  just a media blitz to condition people to expect a certain outcome just like the Bush and Al gore &quot;tie&quot; thing.

What are the odds against tens of millions of votes winding up in a tie?

Like Powell, Rice, Thomas, Mcgee, and all the others, Obama is just going to be a front to hide behind as they go about the business of attacking and re--enslaving the black world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen,<br />
Right now yours is a lonely voice, but that don&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not 100% correct.</p>
<p>It just goes on and on and on, but we and the poor of the earth will survive it.</p>
<p>Ninety percent of us(AAs)weren&#8217;t voting for this guy because despite the majority&#8217;s inability to concieve of it, we are a people of conviction and integrity.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no difference between this guy and George Bush and we voted against Bush by (90%.</p>
<p>This &#8220;all blacks for obama thing&#8221; is  just a media blitz to condition people to expect a certain outcome just like the Bush and Al gore &#8220;tie&#8221; thing.</p>
<p>What are the odds against tens of millions of votes winding up in a tie?</p>
<p>Like Powell, Rice, Thomas, Mcgee, and all the others, Obama is just going to be a front to hide behind as they go about the business of attacking and re&#8211;enslaving the black world.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Silver</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/barack-obama-vs-black-self-determination/#comment-21755</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A vital part of your analysis was weakened without noting the Centrality
of Socialist Cuba and its powerful theory and practice for Resistance Movements world wide.
Dave Silver]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A vital part of your analysis was weakened without noting the Centrality<br />
of Socialist Cuba and its powerful theory and practice for Resistance Movements world wide.<br />
Dave Silver</p>
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		<title>By: Ridwan</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/barack-obama-vs-black-self-determination/#comment-21557</link>
		<dc:creator>Ridwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent analysis, excellent article.  Glenn you are being heard brother.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analysis, excellent article.  Glenn you are being heard brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Ridwan</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/barack-obama-vs-black-self-determination/#comment-21556</link>
		<dc:creator>Ridwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent analsis, excellent article.  Glenn you are being heard brother.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analsis, excellent article.  Glenn you are being heard brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/barack-obama-vs-black-self-determination/#comment-21537</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol, It seems absured, yeah Samson?

On a similar note, 
It&#039;s easy for Dems to do the fantasy regarding Obama not meaning what he says, because they can point to the lesser evil argument-- but as much as they want other US Americans to buy it, how do they expect Iranians, Palestinians and Pakistanis to think that he doesn&#039;t really mean it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, It seems absured, yeah Samson?</p>
<p>On a similar note,<br />
It&#8217;s easy for Dems to do the fantasy regarding Obama not meaning what he says, because they can point to the lesser evil argument&#8211; but as much as they want other US Americans to buy it, how do they expect Iranians, Palestinians and Pakistanis to think that he doesn&#8217;t really mean it?</p>
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		<title>By: Samson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/barack-obama-vs-black-self-determination/#comment-21505</link>
		<dc:creator>Samson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m already so tired of this argument that says that Obama has to keep all his revolutionary tendencies secret and hide them from the powerful so he can claim office.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever heard political nonsense of such magnitude, and I&#039;ve heard a lot of political nonsense.

Are we really supposed to just put aside all the statements of a candidate (because the candidate rarely says anything concrete progressive and is starting to build up a long list of very non-progressive statements), and instead vote for a fantasy candidate that we make up in our own minds?  Lets just pretend Obama&#039;s going to be exactly what our imaginary fantasy candidate would be, and vote for him for that reason.

That tops &#039;vote for George W. Bush because you&#039;d like to drink a beer with him&#039; in being so incredibly stupid.

Face it, the Democrats have a major problem.  They&#039;ve tied their money to the rich and powerful, so all their actions have to keep them happy.  But, they have to convince the voters that they are the alternative to the other party of the rich and powerful so people will vote for them.  

This is getting harder and harder for the Democrats.  Especially with the record of the 2007-8 Congress that&#039;s done nothing to roll back anything Bush has done, and in fact has done nothing to really even slow down or  stop Bush from doing anything.  This clear record that voting Democrat doesn&#039;t really change anything is the biggest political problem the Democrats face.

So, they come up with this &#039;vote for Obama because he&#039;s the fantasy candidate you&#039;ve made up in your mind&#039; bit is truly amazing.  And its amazing that so many seem to have fallen for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m already so tired of this argument that says that Obama has to keep all his revolutionary tendencies secret and hide them from the powerful so he can claim office.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever heard political nonsense of such magnitude, and I&#8217;ve heard a lot of political nonsense.</p>
<p>Are we really supposed to just put aside all the statements of a candidate (because the candidate rarely says anything concrete progressive and is starting to build up a long list of very non-progressive statements), and instead vote for a fantasy candidate that we make up in our own minds?  Lets just pretend Obama&#8217;s going to be exactly what our imaginary fantasy candidate would be, and vote for him for that reason.</p>
<p>That tops &#8216;vote for George W. Bush because you&#8217;d like to drink a beer with him&#8217; in being so incredibly stupid.</p>
<p>Face it, the Democrats have a major problem.  They&#8217;ve tied their money to the rich and powerful, so all their actions have to keep them happy.  But, they have to convince the voters that they are the alternative to the other party of the rich and powerful so people will vote for them.  </p>
<p>This is getting harder and harder for the Democrats.  Especially with the record of the 2007-8 Congress that&#8217;s done nothing to roll back anything Bush has done, and in fact has done nothing to really even slow down or  stop Bush from doing anything.  This clear record that voting Democrat doesn&#8217;t really change anything is the biggest political problem the Democrats face.</p>
<p>So, they come up with this &#8216;vote for Obama because he&#8217;s the fantasy candidate you&#8217;ve made up in your mind&#8217; bit is truly amazing.  And its amazing that so many seem to have fallen for it.</p>
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		<title>By: JO MODERE</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/barack-obama-vs-black-self-determination/#comment-21489</link>
		<dc:creator>JO MODERE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 19:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Glen,
                    I hear you, understand and accept.
It would have come to this irregardless of who amongst the black population accepted the need to ascend the pedestal of American governance.  Irregardless of what levels of governance?  That a diluting of our black nationalist girt  gives way to loss of self- determination to the idea of Amercan nation building replaces the agenda at will, the issue, don&#039;t you think?  The matter of an inoportune loss would form even for an Obama to redifine himself to assuage that pilgrim/Mayflower continuinm history of christian  oppression and  anhihation of indians ,blacks ,  and others.Obama faces a quandry either he gives credence to the tradition of black self-determination or cobble a bridge over the troubled waters of Amercan&#039;s imperialist needs and thence  condence the overall picture to reflect its new humanites ever threatened by awoken conciences of its victims.  After all this and denial thereof are part of this existence.  Most nations contain these myths or narrative in a constant battle to find a right riddle in trouble water.  Obama&#039;s bridge can only stand in we who are nationalists yield for one moment to see what tower he intends to contract to approval of results profitted by all.If he succeeds in building this bridge over troubled water Nationalists will define and self define themselves anew near the ocean.  Does this mean goods day ahead or not?

J. Modere]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Glen,<br />
                    I hear you, understand and accept.<br />
It would have come to this irregardless of who amongst the black population accepted the need to ascend the pedestal of American governance.  Irregardless of what levels of governance?  That a diluting of our black nationalist girt  gives way to loss of self- determination to the idea of Amercan nation building replaces the agenda at will, the issue, don&#8217;t you think?  The matter of an inoportune loss would form even for an Obama to redifine himself to assuage that pilgrim/Mayflower continuinm history of christian  oppression and  anhihation of indians ,blacks ,  and others.Obama faces a quandry either he gives credence to the tradition of black self-determination or cobble a bridge over the troubled waters of Amercan&#8217;s imperialist needs and thence  condence the overall picture to reflect its new humanites ever threatened by awoken conciences of its victims.  After all this and denial thereof are part of this existence.  Most nations contain these myths or narrative in a constant battle to find a right riddle in trouble water.  Obama&#8217;s bridge can only stand in we who are nationalists yield for one moment to see what tower he intends to contract to approval of results profitted by all.If he succeeds in building this bridge over troubled water Nationalists will define and self define themselves anew near the ocean.  Does this mean goods day ahead or not?</p>
<p>J. Modere</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/barack-obama-vs-black-self-determination/#comment-21485</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;In short, Blacks of Wright’s political persuasion are culpable for more crimes against the planet than Hitler’s propagandists blamed on the Jews. If any of this were even half-true, most people would agree that all those who sympathize with Rev. Wright should be silenced and imprisoned, for the sake of humanity!&lt;/i&gt;

You know, I agree that there is a place for a real critique of Obama.  I think John Pilger article provide an excellent critique and caution regarding Obama&#039;s campaign and Liberalism in general.  However I think that Glen Ford&#039;s sectarianism has driven him to analysis that is WAY over the top to such a degree that it renders his analysis useless.

Obama has framed Rev. Wright&#039;s critique of race and racism as anachronistic.  Clearly the danger with that framing is that any complaint about racism (white supremacy) can be rhetorically dismissed as &quot;disunity&quot; or &quot;ancient history&quot;.  However that will be hard to do when you stilll have such recent events like the Shawn Bell assassination.  And movements against racism and discrimination will not end because Obama is POTUS and is likely to intensify.  But this notion that people are going to be imprisoned is plan scare tactics.

Ford has been extremely hypercritical of Obama African American supporters without any comparative analysis of the Clinton campaign who BTW has much greater AfAm support until the South Carolina primaries where she played the race card.  Much of Obama AfAm support has been a reaction to the Clinton&#039;s racist tactics.  I agree with Ford that there should be more substantive reasons for supporting Obama but eliminating this context of the Clintons is extremely biased and unfair.  In fact Adolph Reed in his critique of Obama argues that Clinton would be the better choice!

Rational and accurate analysis is needed so that people can be properly informed.  As mention, I think that John Pilger provide such a rational critique.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In short, Blacks of Wright’s political persuasion are culpable for more crimes against the planet than Hitler’s propagandists blamed on the Jews. If any of this were even half-true, most people would agree that all those who sympathize with Rev. Wright should be silenced and imprisoned, for the sake of humanity!</i></p>
<p>You know, I agree that there is a place for a real critique of Obama.  I think John Pilger article provide an excellent critique and caution regarding Obama&#8217;s campaign and Liberalism in general.  However I think that Glen Ford&#8217;s sectarianism has driven him to analysis that is WAY over the top to such a degree that it renders his analysis useless.</p>
<p>Obama has framed Rev. Wright&#8217;s critique of race and racism as anachronistic.  Clearly the danger with that framing is that any complaint about racism (white supremacy) can be rhetorically dismissed as &#8220;disunity&#8221; or &#8220;ancient history&#8221;.  However that will be hard to do when you stilll have such recent events like the Shawn Bell assassination.  And movements against racism and discrimination will not end because Obama is POTUS and is likely to intensify.  But this notion that people are going to be imprisoned is plan scare tactics.</p>
<p>Ford has been extremely hypercritical of Obama African American supporters without any comparative analysis of the Clinton campaign who BTW has much greater AfAm support until the South Carolina primaries where she played the race card.  Much of Obama AfAm support has been a reaction to the Clinton&#8217;s racist tactics.  I agree with Ford that there should be more substantive reasons for supporting Obama but eliminating this context of the Clintons is extremely biased and unfair.  In fact Adolph Reed in his critique of Obama argues that Clinton would be the better choice!</p>
<p>Rational and accurate analysis is needed so that people can be properly informed.  As mention, I think that John Pilger provide such a rational critique.</p>
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		<title>By: EDDIE</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/barack-obama-vs-black-self-determination/#comment-21482</link>
		<dc:creator>EDDIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 17:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Glen,

Your criticism of Obama is overblown, man!

I believe you know that in this country, you can&#039;t be able to climb the
 ladder of Power, unless you are in bed with the ruling elite of this
 country! 

So, please, give a Obama a chance, and stop demonizing him in,
 ruining his chance of becoming a President of the USA.

Save your energies and speak out, when he is a President!

The only thing we can hope is that once he is a President, he may be
 able to convice or rebel from his imperialist handlers, just like John
 Kennedy did!

The question you may ask yourself is: If not Obama, who else? Hillary
 is even worse!

Do you know why I support Obama? Because his politcal platform agenda recognizes the needs of empowering the masses to change their government and the fact that he is talking about unifying all americans for the common good needs to be applauded!

Don&#039;t you understand that with his message of unity, he may be able to
 confront Imperialism&#039;s &quot;Divide and Conquer Ideology&quot; which is the
 source of racism in the USA and misery and  and genocides in  the world?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Glen,</p>
<p>Your criticism of Obama is overblown, man!</p>
<p>I believe you know that in this country, you can&#8217;t be able to climb the<br />
 ladder of Power, unless you are in bed with the ruling elite of this<br />
 country! </p>
<p>So, please, give a Obama a chance, and stop demonizing him in,<br />
 ruining his chance of becoming a President of the USA.</p>
<p>Save your energies and speak out, when he is a President!</p>
<p>The only thing we can hope is that once he is a President, he may be<br />
 able to convice or rebel from his imperialist handlers, just like John<br />
 Kennedy did!</p>
<p>The question you may ask yourself is: If not Obama, who else? Hillary<br />
 is even worse!</p>
<p>Do you know why I support Obama? Because his politcal platform agenda recognizes the needs of empowering the masses to change their government and the fact that he is talking about unifying all americans for the common good needs to be applauded!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you understand that with his message of unity, he may be able to<br />
 confront Imperialism&#8217;s &#8220;Divide and Conquer Ideology&#8221; which is the<br />
 source of racism in the USA and misery and  and genocides in  the world?</p>
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		<title>By: EDDIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>EDDIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 16:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glen,

If you had any common sense, you would have understood that your idea and hope of a new American revolution can&#039;t happen in the USA, as long as the Ruling elite own the news media!
 
Even Venezualans voted against their own self interests, the Bolivarian Revolution, recently even if they have a President who is for it, and you think many of these brainwashed USAers can go for it? 
 
The only thing which can change this country is to hope for someone with a humbe background such as Obama become a President and he can persuade the elite to do the right thing for the USA citizen, otherwise, there is not a way out, Mr Ford!
 
The Ruling elite can&#039;t give up their power easily, because the system of capitalism which sustains them can&#039;t allow it. Capitalism will always be concerned about profits instead of human needs. They would rather be annihilated instead of giving up power, and in any case if that happens, we, the people, would have to be slaughtered in the process, too! 
 
I truly hope in the future, you stop your diatribes against Obama! Ok?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen,</p>
<p>If you had any common sense, you would have understood that your idea and hope of a new American revolution can&#8217;t happen in the USA, as long as the Ruling elite own the news media!</p>
<p>Even Venezualans voted against their own self interests, the Bolivarian Revolution, recently even if they have a President who is for it, and you think many of these brainwashed USAers can go for it? </p>
<p>The only thing which can change this country is to hope for someone with a humbe background such as Obama become a President and he can persuade the elite to do the right thing for the USA citizen, otherwise, there is not a way out, Mr Ford!</p>
<p>The Ruling elite can&#8217;t give up their power easily, because the system of capitalism which sustains them can&#8217;t allow it. Capitalism will always be concerned about profits instead of human needs. They would rather be annihilated instead of giving up power, and in any case if that happens, we, the people, would have to be slaughtered in the process, too! </p>
<p>I truly hope in the future, you stop your diatribes against Obama! Ok?</p>
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