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		<title>By: Brandy Baker</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/a-visit-to-google/#comment-21389</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandy Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 04:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, but if you read the piece, you see that the Google employyes did not buy into the bullshit:

&quot;One of the first employees asked Rice: “If an American held by another country were subjected to simulated drowning by waterboarding, would that shock your conscience and would you consider that torture?” He continued by asking Miliband to what extent US use of the torture method against detainees had created a “strain between the United States and your government.”

Much of the audience responded to the question with applause.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, but if you read the piece, you see that the Google employyes did not buy into the bullshit:</p>
<p>&#8220;One of the first employees asked Rice: “If an American held by another country were subjected to simulated drowning by waterboarding, would that shock your conscience and would you consider that torture?” He continued by asking Miliband to what extent US use of the torture method against detainees had created a “strain between the United States and your government.”</p>
<p>Much of the audience responded to the question with applause.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert B. Livingston</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/a-visit-to-google/#comment-21131</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert B. Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 17:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralph Nader was so last week... 

http://tinyurl.com/5754md,,,

and Chomsky!  

Who will they get next?

Splitting the Sky?

...meanwhile the sun goes up... the sun goes down.

and we all go &#039;round and &#039;round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph Nader was so last week&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/5754md,," rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5754md,,</a>,</p>
<p>and Chomsky!  </p>
<p>Who will they get next?</p>
<p>Splitting the Sky?</p>
<p>&#8230;meanwhile the sun goes up&#8230; the sun goes down.</p>
<p>and we all go &#8217;round and &#8217;round.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandy Baker</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/a-visit-to-google/#comment-21063</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandy Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 23:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear that some may be being a bit purist here. I&#039;m not exactly gung-ho over Google, but I do appreciate that they, along with Amazon, support net-neutrality and are willing to stand up to the telecom giants. Are they revolutionaries? No. But in order to keep net neutrality, just having radicals work on the issue is not going to cut the mustard. When a powerful enemy of our enemy is willing to be on the right side of an issue for whatever reason, whether that be Google, Amazon, Tim-Berners Lee, or whoever, we should not be so roundly dismissive and .

I also appreciate the fact that Google had Ralph Nader on as well as Noam Chomsky. They are opening up the dialogue in ways that corporate TV media is not. many of the Google employees were receptive to what Ralph had to say because he made intelligent arguments backed up with fact. If I go to another event where the usual, tiny, insular baby-boomer activist crowd are the only ones there, I&#039;m going to gag, which is probably why I haven&#039;t been going to these events. 

Yes, the fact that the most popular &quot;left&quot; sites are lame Democratic Party hack sites such as slightly right of center and nearly useless Daily Kos and Democratic Underground. Or other sites such as Huffington Post, and AlterNet (though again, Alternet to the greatest extent and Huffington to a lesser extent do have some good articles, so we shouldn&#039;t give a blanket condemnation of these two sites). But I think that we are also to blame for this. The radical-revolutionary left does not focus on aesthetics when it comes to art because they solely focus on message. So when our music sucks though the lyrics are politically right on, when our publications and sites look crappy because we don&#039;t care about design and visual appeal, we cannot solely blame the public for passing us by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear that some may be being a bit purist here. I&#8217;m not exactly gung-ho over Google, but I do appreciate that they, along with Amazon, support net-neutrality and are willing to stand up to the telecom giants. Are they revolutionaries? No. But in order to keep net neutrality, just having radicals work on the issue is not going to cut the mustard. When a powerful enemy of our enemy is willing to be on the right side of an issue for whatever reason, whether that be Google, Amazon, Tim-Berners Lee, or whoever, we should not be so roundly dismissive and .</p>
<p>I also appreciate the fact that Google had Ralph Nader on as well as Noam Chomsky. They are opening up the dialogue in ways that corporate TV media is not. many of the Google employees were receptive to what Ralph had to say because he made intelligent arguments backed up with fact. If I go to another event where the usual, tiny, insular baby-boomer activist crowd are the only ones there, I&#8217;m going to gag, which is probably why I haven&#8217;t been going to these events. </p>
<p>Yes, the fact that the most popular &#8220;left&#8221; sites are lame Democratic Party hack sites such as slightly right of center and nearly useless Daily Kos and Democratic Underground. Or other sites such as Huffington Post, and AlterNet (though again, Alternet to the greatest extent and Huffington to a lesser extent do have some good articles, so we shouldn&#8217;t give a blanket condemnation of these two sites). But I think that we are also to blame for this. The radical-revolutionary left does not focus on aesthetics when it comes to art because they solely focus on message. So when our music sucks though the lyrics are politically right on, when our publications and sites look crappy because we don&#8217;t care about design and visual appeal, we cannot solely blame the public for passing us by.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert B. Livingston</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/a-visit-to-google/#comment-20986</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert B. Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 23:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the internet Democratic (as defined participation in power)?

Note the disclaimer:  
&quot;Adding comments has been disabled for this video.&quot;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR-V6bl41zU

And the same-- with my comment:

http://www.fogcityjournal.com/wordpress/2008/05/14/presidential-candidate-ralph-nader-discusses-policy-at-google/

Which link do you think is more accessible by Google?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the internet Democratic (as defined participation in power)?</p>
<p>Note the disclaimer:<br />
&#8220;Adding comments has been disabled for this video.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR-V6bl41zU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR-V6bl41zU</a></p>
<p>And the same&#8211; with my comment:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fogcityjournal.com/wordpress/2008/05/14/presidential-candidate-ralph-nader-discusses-policy-at-google/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fogcityjournal.com/wordpress/2008/05/14/presidential-candidate-ralph-nader-discusses-policy-at-google/</a></p>
<p>Which link do you think is more accessible by Google?</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/a-visit-to-google/#comment-20975</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this one, Ralph. Once again you call it like it is. Any scientific/medical advance is useless unless those who need it can get it. You and McKinney are the only well known candidates who support a &quot;Single Payer&quot; system so that all can have access to medical care. 

Google and/or C-Span should hold the debates.  The debates should be open to all legitimate candidates and there should be no moderator - just a time keeper to assure that all have equal time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this one, Ralph. Once again you call it like it is. Any scientific/medical advance is useless unless those who need it can get it. You and McKinney are the only well known candidates who support a &#8220;Single Payer&#8221; system so that all can have access to medical care. </p>
<p>Google and/or C-Span should hold the debates.  The debates should be open to all legitimate candidates and there should be no moderator &#8211; just a time keeper to assure that all have equal time.</p>
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		<title>By: evie</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/a-visit-to-google/#comment-20920</link>
		<dc:creator>evie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 02:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks jamie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks jamie.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/a-visit-to-google/#comment-20894</link>
		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 18:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here.......let me get that for the billions of  humans who consume massive amounts of pre-packaged propoganda in ALL forms.......  ( pulling on string attached to a 3.5 billion watt light-bulb) ......there......that&#039;s better.

Now we can see the truth.

evie....... no one can dispute your reasoning. It&#039;s that obvious!
I read here just to hear your perspective. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8230;&#8230;.let me get that for the billions of  humans who consume massive amounts of pre-packaged propoganda in ALL forms&#8230;&#8230;.  ( pulling on string attached to a 3.5 billion watt light-bulb) &#8230;&#8230;there&#8230;&#8230;that&#8217;s better.</p>
<p>Now we can see the truth.</p>
<p>evie&#8230;&#8230;. no one can dispute your reasoning. It&#8217;s that obvious!<br />
I read here just to hear your perspective. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: evie</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/a-visit-to-google/#comment-20886</link>
		<dc:creator>evie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol. Ralph, remember when television hit the market. It was touted as being not just entertainment but a means to educate and inform the people - and the airwaves would always be free! 

The Internet and especially Google are and will be simply a slicker/quicker way to control the thinking of those fortunate to have net access. The most popular political &quot;sites&quot; are and will be those which push the standard staged sideshow politcal party lines of left or right, to give the illusion of choice.

I know from experience that Google listens when powerful wealthy people tell them to. Google will censor and/or delete, and will act as exclusionary as necessary to maintain the status quo. And just as with television - folks will be clicking and picking through mountains of garbage and propaganda and calling it &quot;truth.&quot; 

Maintaining the status quo - is the nature of all corporate beasts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol. Ralph, remember when television hit the market. It was touted as being not just entertainment but a means to educate and inform the people &#8211; and the airwaves would always be free! </p>
<p>The Internet and especially Google are and will be simply a slicker/quicker way to control the thinking of those fortunate to have net access. The most popular political &#8220;sites&#8221; are and will be those which push the standard staged sideshow politcal party lines of left or right, to give the illusion of choice.</p>
<p>I know from experience that Google listens when powerful wealthy people tell them to. Google will censor and/or delete, and will act as exclusionary as necessary to maintain the status quo. And just as with television &#8211; folks will be clicking and picking through mountains of garbage and propaganda and calling it &#8220;truth.&#8221; </p>
<p>Maintaining the status quo &#8211; is the nature of all corporate beasts.</p>
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