Comments on: Will Italy, Israel, and Egypt Benefit from Congo’s Hydro Power at the Expense of the Congolese People? http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:13:54 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Annie http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/#comment-19328 Annie Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:15:36 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1911#comment-19328 The issue is not whether or not Congolese will benefit from the dam project, it is how wealthy, outside (American, European, Chinese and Russian) will benefit from the dam project. The dam will be built at huge (inflated) expense to the Congolese. They will borrow money from American and European banks who are in the company of the engineering companies who build the dam. The outside interests will convince the Congolese that with this new project, their economy will grow expontentially. When that fails, and the loan is called, the Congolese will have for forfeit whatever is left of their already exploited natural resources to the outside interests. And they'll have to pay back the loans as well. Whether or not the electricity can travel is meaningless. Congolese workers will certainly be used in the contruction of the dam, but at near slave conditions. In the end they will be left with a huge mess...again. I have no doubt however, that someday the technology will exist to harness effectively the hydro power, and the Congolese will get screwed again. The issue is not whether or not Congolese will benefit from the dam project, it is how wealthy, outside (American, European, Chinese and Russian) will benefit from the dam project. The dam will be built at huge (inflated) expense to the Congolese. They will borrow money from American and European banks who are in the company of the engineering companies who build the dam. The outside interests will convince the Congolese that with this new project, their economy will grow expontentially. When that fails, and the loan is called, the Congolese will have for forfeit whatever is left of their already exploited natural resources to the outside interests. And they’ll have to pay back the loans as well. Whether or not the electricity can travel is meaningless. Congolese workers will certainly be used in the contruction of the dam, but at near slave conditions. In the end they will be left with a huge mess…again. I have no doubt however, that someday the technology will exist to harness effectively the hydro power, and the Congolese will get screwed again.

]]> By: Khaled Omar http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/#comment-19309 Khaled Omar Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:22:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1911#comment-19309 Building a Dam in congo & transfering electricity 2000-3000 kilometers, its a stupid work; however the more stupid & imperialism is taking the electricity of Congo to other countries. those countries need for developmers not for thieves because they suffer a lot of them. Building a Dam in congo & transfering electricity 2000-3000 kilometers, its a stupid work; however the more stupid & imperialism is taking the electricity of Congo to other countries.
those countries need for developmers not for thieves because they suffer a lot of them.

]]> By: John Wilkinson http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/#comment-19290 John Wilkinson Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:44:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1911#comment-19290 ...actually not one, but three emails I received.... …actually not one, but three emails I received….

]]> By: John Wilkinson http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/#comment-19289 John Wilkinson Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:43:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1911#comment-19289 there's absolutely no way to transport electricity to Italy, Israel, etc. from the Congo region, not with the technology we have now. It can never be economical, the losses would be prohibitive over such a vast distance. A couple hundred miles or so is the practical limit, not several thousand. That's why we have power plants scattered all over the place. Maybe he meant foreign corporations inside Congo. As for our email addresses being made available to outsiders, that happened to me, too, back in January. (In my case, I got an email from the author of the article I commented on). Yes, I'd like an explanation, too, how that is allowed to happen. Pretty much in keeping with my observation you can't trust anybody, no matter what they profess to be; left is no different than the right, they're subject to the same forces and instincts. there’s absolutely no way to transport electricity to Italy, Israel, etc. from the Congo region, not with the technology we have now. It can never be economical, the losses would be prohibitive over such a vast distance. A couple hundred miles or so is the practical limit, not several thousand. That’s why we have power plants scattered all over the place. Maybe he meant foreign corporations inside Congo.

As for our email addresses being made available to outsiders, that happened to me, too, back in January. (In my case, I got an email from the author of the article I commented on). Yes, I’d like an explanation, too, how that is allowed to happen. Pretty much in keeping with my observation you can’t trust anybody, no matter what they profess to be; left is no different than the right, they’re subject to the same forces and instincts.

]]> By: maha http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/#comment-19275 maha Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:11:45 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1911#comment-19275 MK, do you actually care what's in the article? It seems not. If you wanted to learn more about the FOTC then you could go to their website couldn't you? MK, do you actually care what’s in the article? It seems not.
If you wanted to learn more about the FOTC then you could go to their website couldn’t you?

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/#comment-19260 Lloyd Rowsey Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:59:06 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1911#comment-19260 Presumably not across the sea (at Gibralter), but across the Suez Canal and up thru the Levant....? Presumably not across the sea (at Gibralter), but across the Suez Canal and up thru the Levant….?

]]> By: Lloyd Rowsey http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/#comment-19257 Lloyd Rowsey Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:16:01 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1911#comment-19257 I wouldn't presume to try to answer your question to DV's editors, MK. But I want to express my total agreement with your comments about anonymity. The last comment I read on the topic on the internet was someone saying: It's the substance of what's said, not the person that says it, that's important. More or less. But I may have a more radical position on the matter than you. I fear the Homeland Security fucks and feel that using aliases on the internet anytime is counter-productive. In the sense that James Dean in Giant got to be "too big to kill." More or less. I wouldn’t presume to try to answer your question to DV’s editors, MK. But I want to express my total agreement with your comments about anonymity. The last comment I read on the topic on the internet was someone saying: It’s the substance of what’s said, not the person that says it, that’s important.

More or less.

But I may have a more radical position on the matter than you. I fear the Homeland Security fucks and feel that using aliases on the internet anytime is counter-productive. In the sense that James Dean in Giant got to be “too big to kill.” More or less.

]]> By: hp http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/#comment-19252 hp Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:51:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1911#comment-19252 jeff tuema, I think the 'bad guys' are counting on just that. Nothing like some some violence and 'terrorism' to get them rushing in to 'help' the poor common citizens/villagers/ fill in the blank. And don't worry, they won't leave until the 'job' is done. jeff tuema, I think the ‘bad guys’ are counting on just that. Nothing like some some violence and ‘terrorism’ to get them rushing in to ‘help’ the poor common citizens/villagers/ fill in the blank.
And don’t worry, they won’t leave until the ‘job’ is done.

]]> By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/#comment-19249 Michael Kenny Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:16:37 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1911#comment-19249 Within seconds of posting the above message, I received a reaction at the e-mail address from which I sent it. Since our e-mail addresses do not appear on the site and "will not be published", might the editors care to explain how the author of the article obtained my e-mail address only seconds after I had posted the message? Within seconds of posting the above message, I received a reaction at the e-mail address from which I sent it. Since our e-mail addresses do not appear on the site and “will not be published”, might the editors care to explain how the author of the article obtained my e-mail address only seconds after I had posted the message?

]]> By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/#comment-19243 Michael Kenny Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:56:01 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1911#comment-19243 I always think anaoymous articles (or bloggers!) are a bad idea. Anyone who has the courage of their convictions will have no problem revealing their true name. Those who do not have the courage of their convictions should not write articles! Also, anonymity favours "false flaggers", of which I think there are far more on the net than anybody realises. That said, what intrigues me is how they get the electricity over such long distances without natural leakage causing it to peter out and how they plan to get it accross the sea to Italy. I always think anaoymous articles (or bloggers!) are a bad idea. Anyone who has the courage of their convictions will have no problem revealing their true name. Those who do not have the courage of their convictions should not write articles! Also, anonymity favours “false flaggers”, of which I think there are far more on the net than anybody realises.
That said, what intrigues me is how they get the electricity over such long distances without natural leakage causing it to peter out and how they plan to get it accross the sea to Italy.

]]> By: jeff tuema http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/#comment-19234 jeff tuema Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:31:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1911#comment-19234 let the dam be built,the congo your talking about is more radical than before, I won't be suprised if in the next year or two you see bombs exploding at a couple of east african embassies along with the western embassies in congo. Trust me on that Congolese of this generation are not your soukous generation, their not your Pan Africanist. Radical, angry youth are being molded at home. Their anti-east african, anti west and have built their unity on a lethal dose of bantu nationalism. Build the dam the light up southern africa we could care less if it reaches Itlay, nigeria, egypt or the rest of africa. African unity is dead in the Congo. let the dam be built,the congo your talking about is more radical than before, I won’t be suprised if in the next year or two you see bombs exploding at a couple of east african embassies along with the western embassies in congo. Trust me on that Congolese of this generation are not your soukous generation, their not your Pan Africanist. Radical, angry youth are being molded at home. Their anti-east african, anti west and have built their unity on a lethal dose of bantu nationalism. Build the dam the light up southern africa we could care less if it reaches Itlay, nigeria, egypt or the rest of africa. African unity is dead in the Congo.

]]> By: Annie http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/will-italy-israel-and-egypt-benefit-from-congos-hydro-power-at-the-expense-of-the-congolese-people/#comment-19231 Annie Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:23:08 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=1911#comment-19231 Thanks for posting this article. I encourage everyone to join FOTC, they do an excellent job of presenting the issues that plague DR Congo. Thanks for posting this article.
I encourage everyone to join FOTC, they do an excellent job of presenting the issues that plague DR Congo.

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