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	<title>Comments on: The Sorrows of Race and Gender in the 2008 Presidential Election</title>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19127</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, when you say discrimination based on the color of skin has less than 500 years of documented history, I assume you&#039;re referring to the West, exclusively?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, when you say discrimination based on the color of skin has less than 500 years of documented history, I assume you&#8217;re referring to the West, exclusively?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McNiven</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19121</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McNiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you professor Jensen!

There is around 5,000 years of documented gender discrimination history. Discrimination based on the color of skin has less than 500 years of documented history. However women, of all colors, are always asked  to give up something for a male here and a male there! 
An end to discrimination against women must be sought along with all other forms of discrimination! Obama can do his part by running for presidency eight years from now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you professor Jensen!</p>
<p>There is around 5,000 years of documented gender discrimination history. Discrimination based on the color of skin has less than 500 years of documented history. However women, of all colors, are always asked  to give up something for a male here and a male there!<br />
An end to discrimination against women must be sought along with all other forms of discrimination! Obama can do his part by running for presidency eight years from now.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19117</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still have my pre-war sign which says, simply,
&quot;You bastards.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still have my pre-war sign which says, simply,<br />
&#8220;You bastards.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: evie</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19107</link>
		<dc:creator>evie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lloyd,
I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;re comments are facetious or not.

This November I&#039;ve decided to draw a lewd hand gesture involving a finger, we still use paper ballots here in Fumbuck, Heartland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lloyd,<br />
I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;re comments are facetious or not.</p>
<p>This November I&#8217;ve decided to draw a lewd hand gesture involving a finger, we still use paper ballots here in Fumbuck, Heartland.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19097</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evie.  Why not add your wisdom to one of the TOP articles today?  There&#039;s so many of us who don&#039;t have successful siblings who&#039;ve served their country in uniform abroad and are on track to survive the empire&#039;s shit, so many of us without guidance, this lovely morning after Hilarous&#039; win.

BTB, who you figure on voting for -- in the interest of &quot;social justice&quot; -- come November?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evie.  Why not add your wisdom to one of the TOP articles today?  There&#8217;s so many of us who don&#8217;t have successful siblings who&#8217;ve served their country in uniform abroad and are on track to survive the empire&#8217;s shit, so many of us without guidance, this lovely morning after Hilarous&#8217; win.</p>
<p>BTB, who you figure on voting for &#8212; in the interest of &#8220;social justice&#8221; &#8212; come November?</p>
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		<title>By: evie</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19073</link>
		<dc:creator>evie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max
We were so angry at election 2000 we cut our consumption by 1/3 when Bush was sworn in - if everyone else would/could it would be a start. It&#039;s amazing how much a person can live happily without when they put their mind to it. 

Of course, some folks think we&#039;re eccentric, or &quot;getting old.&quot; Lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max<br />
We were so angry at election 2000 we cut our consumption by 1/3 when Bush was sworn in &#8211; if everyone else would/could it would be a start. It&#8217;s amazing how much a person can live happily without when they put their mind to it. </p>
<p>Of course, some folks think we&#8217;re eccentric, or &#8220;getting old.&#8221; Lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19072</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evie so true but who on here is not just a hypocrite in comparison?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evie so true but who on here is not just a hypocrite in comparison?</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19059</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. Many good points raised, including the reminder that the &#039;rights movements&#039; were about more than desegregating drinking fountains and enabling &quot;minorities&quot; to achieve positions of power. We dishonor the likes of the late Dr. King by dumbing down the radical message of the movement(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Many good points raised, including the reminder that the &#8216;rights movements&#8217; were about more than desegregating drinking fountains and enabling &#8220;minorities&#8221; to achieve positions of power. We dishonor the likes of the late Dr. King by dumbing down the radical message of the movement(s).</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19057</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evie, I agree. It&#039;s not something curable by a PHD, fancy talk, astounding insight or insults and mental flagellation. 
Its gone from apathy to atrophy and that&#039;s an incredibly tough row to hoe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>evie, I agree. It&#8217;s not something curable by a PHD, fancy talk, astounding insight or insults and mental flagellation.<br />
Its gone from apathy to atrophy and that&#8217;s an incredibly tough row to hoe.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Koontz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19044</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a simpler analysis:

Barack Obama is a white man. Hillary Clinton is a white man. Ralph Nader is a black man. Cynthia McKinney is a black woman.

Race and gender in the realm of politics have little to do with race and gender and much to do with policies that benefit certain races and genders. It&#039;s a huge mistake to see Obama as black, since his policies are indistinguishable from a white member of the liberal elite. Likewise, it&#039;s a huge mistake to see (either) Clinton as a woman, since her policies are indistinguishable from a white member (male or female) of the liberal elite.

It&#039;s not race or gender that matter, but that person&#039;s position within an institution of power. It doesn&#039;t make any difference at all if a &quot;black man&quot; or a &quot;white woman&quot; becomes president of the united states, because they are controlled by the exact same interests as any other president of the united states is, whether white man or otherwise. We need to not focus on the race or gender of the candidate, but of the nature of the interests that are controlling them.

This monstrous imperialist corporatist state hardly cares who leads it - it only cares that the &quot;leader&quot; obeys it&#039;s wishes, and they will reward that leader well - and that leader can have whatever ethnicity or anatomy that they&#039;d like. Power is not ultimately about gender or race, it&#039;s about theft and subjugation. Gender and race are just convenient divisions, methods of dividing and conquering. In and of themselves they don&#039;t matter.

It also doesn&#039;t matter to the rest of women or to the rest of blacks that &quot;one of their own&quot; gains the position of supreme mass murderer. It doesn&#039;t change anything - it doesn&#039;t lead to an end of sexism or racism or capitalism. All it does is confuses ignorant people and gives them a fool&#039;s hope.

The American people are probably the most ignorant on the planet with respect to politics, and the result of such is predictably tragic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a simpler analysis:</p>
<p>Barack Obama is a white man. Hillary Clinton is a white man. Ralph Nader is a black man. Cynthia McKinney is a black woman.</p>
<p>Race and gender in the realm of politics have little to do with race and gender and much to do with policies that benefit certain races and genders. It&#8217;s a huge mistake to see Obama as black, since his policies are indistinguishable from a white member of the liberal elite. Likewise, it&#8217;s a huge mistake to see (either) Clinton as a woman, since her policies are indistinguishable from a white member (male or female) of the liberal elite.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not race or gender that matter, but that person&#8217;s position within an institution of power. It doesn&#8217;t make any difference at all if a &#8220;black man&#8221; or a &#8220;white woman&#8221; becomes president of the united states, because they are controlled by the exact same interests as any other president of the united states is, whether white man or otherwise. We need to not focus on the race or gender of the candidate, but of the nature of the interests that are controlling them.</p>
<p>This monstrous imperialist corporatist state hardly cares who leads it &#8211; it only cares that the &#8220;leader&#8221; obeys it&#8217;s wishes, and they will reward that leader well &#8211; and that leader can have whatever ethnicity or anatomy that they&#8217;d like. Power is not ultimately about gender or race, it&#8217;s about theft and subjugation. Gender and race are just convenient divisions, methods of dividing and conquering. In and of themselves they don&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>It also doesn&#8217;t matter to the rest of women or to the rest of blacks that &#8220;one of their own&#8221; gains the position of supreme mass murderer. It doesn&#8217;t change anything &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t lead to an end of sexism or racism or capitalism. All it does is confuses ignorant people and gives them a fool&#8217;s hope.</p>
<p>The American people are probably the most ignorant on the planet with respect to politics, and the result of such is predictably tragic.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19034</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Suffering is the substance of life and the root of personality, for it is only suffering that makes us persons.&quot;   

-Miguel de Unamuno, &quot;Tragic Sense of Life&quot;, 1913</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Suffering is the substance of life and the root of personality, for it is only suffering that makes us persons.&#8221;   </p>
<p>-Miguel de Unamuno, &#8220;Tragic Sense of Life&#8221;, 1913</p>
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		<title>By: evie</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19029</link>
		<dc:creator>evie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Direction : hit them in their wallets. 

The Montgomery bus boycott lasted 1 year 16 days. Blacks organized carpools and vans to give rides to work, shop, etc. Black cabbies gave discounts. People walked, rode bikes.

Could a few million Americans go 1 year 16 days boycotting anything? Park your car for a 1 year 16 days? Stop eating meat for 1 year 16 days? Stop shopping Walmart or your favorite corporation for 1 year 16 days? Not file your 1040 for a 1 year? Cancel cable  TV for 1 year and 16 days?

As I&#039;ve yammered about before - most Americans are too dependent on the system to go against it. And that&#039;s how Big Daddy gov wants his needy little sheep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Direction : hit them in their wallets. </p>
<p>The Montgomery bus boycott lasted 1 year 16 days. Blacks organized carpools and vans to give rides to work, shop, etc. Black cabbies gave discounts. People walked, rode bikes.</p>
<p>Could a few million Americans go 1 year 16 days boycotting anything? Park your car for a 1 year 16 days? Stop eating meat for 1 year 16 days? Stop shopping Walmart or your favorite corporation for 1 year 16 days? Not file your 1040 for a 1 year? Cancel cable  TV for 1 year and 16 days?</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve yammered about before &#8211; most Americans are too dependent on the system to go against it. And that&#8217;s how Big Daddy gov wants his needy little sheep.</p>
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		<title>By: evie</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/the-sorrows-of-race-and-gender-in-the-2008-presidential-election/#comment-19020</link>
		<dc:creator>evie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Great moving article -- but sthg is missing: a direction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great moving article -- but sthg is missing: a direction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How eloquent! Wow, what eloquence! What inspired use of the English Language! And what an accurate depiction of the present predicament. 

Accurate that is, right up to the pt where Dr Jensen flung at us the phrase &quot;Presidential politics&quot;. Since he didn&#039;t mention Cynthia McKinney by name as an exception, I can only assume he considers her campaign to be as big a waste of time as is all this &quot;Obamania&quot;?

That he sees the effort to create the Reconstruction Party as just another pointless exercise? Hmm -- let me check again to be sure:  from what Texas mountaintop does the good professor view our efforts as doomed to futility?

Okay, maybe he&#039;s right, maybe Cynthia, Colia Clark, Malcolm Suber et al are just more wheel-spinners lost in a hopeless rat race, duped into another round of  Sisyphean silliness? I myself don&#039;t believe that proposition for a nanosecond, but for the sake of discussion let&#039;s posit that it reflects reality? Leaving us with the question: &quot;Okay, Dr J,  great article, but You Said That To Say What?&quot;

Since &quot;Presidential Politicks&quot; and by implication Cynthia McKinney are Out, Verboten, not to be touched with a ten-ft Courlander, what are those Students not enjoying enough proximity to Dr J&#039;s lecture hall to do next? Is there no other source of understanding to which students &amp; newbie activists can be directed? Is there not a form of activity which Dr J would recommend as likely, or more likely than complete idleness, to lead to some better future than the three Duopoly candidates are offering?

Okay, thank you Dr Jensen, I&#039;ll take your answer off the air:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How eloquent! Wow, what eloquence! What inspired use of the English Language! And what an accurate depiction of the present predicament. </p>
<p>Accurate that is, right up to the pt where Dr Jensen flung at us the phrase &#8220;Presidential politics&#8221;. Since he didn&#8217;t mention Cynthia McKinney by name as an exception, I can only assume he considers her campaign to be as big a waste of time as is all this &#8220;Obamania&#8221;?</p>
<p>That he sees the effort to create the Reconstruction Party as just another pointless exercise? Hmm &#8212; let me check again to be sure:  from what Texas mountaintop does the good professor view our efforts as doomed to futility?</p>
<p>Okay, maybe he&#8217;s right, maybe Cynthia, Colia Clark, Malcolm Suber et al are just more wheel-spinners lost in a hopeless rat race, duped into another round of  Sisyphean silliness? I myself don&#8217;t believe that proposition for a nanosecond, but for the sake of discussion let&#8217;s posit that it reflects reality? Leaving us with the question: &#8220;Okay, Dr J,  great article, but You Said That To Say What?&#8221;</p>
<p>Since &#8220;Presidential Politicks&#8221; and by implication Cynthia McKinney are Out, Verboten, not to be touched with a ten-ft Courlander, what are those Students not enjoying enough proximity to Dr J&#8217;s lecture hall to do next? Is there no other source of understanding to which students &amp; newbie activists can be directed? Is there not a form of activity which Dr J would recommend as likely, or more likely than complete idleness, to lead to some better future than the three Duopoly candidates are offering?</p>
<p>Okay, thank you Dr Jensen, I&#8217;ll take your answer off the air:)</p>
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