However, man, the DN show I saw showed me a slick Commodity, another polisht Flatland Furriner as Snuffy Smif usta say, come up here ta fleece the Rubes. Which there’s still a cpl born ever minit, even on DV i guess:(

Good godd man, aintcha got no Sales Resistance?

Dan

*American Boy’s Club for the Defense of Errol Flynn;)

I get your point about Hillary. It’s like I can’t stand most of where she’s coming from but Obama’s . Gnawing sense of injustice keeps biting the back of my neck. That’s the potency of Glen Ford’s remarks: He’s calling Obama out without pause.

I think we can get a big Amen with regards to Clifford Brown – wouldn’t know where to begin in trying to compare Elvis to Brown – it’s like two different worlds.

DB, methinks you complain to much about the approach Mr. Ford should take. He’s not trying to convince the “sleepwalkers” as dan e puts it. He’s just laying it out. And what he lays out resonates.

What I’m saying is, I don’t think the man needs a coach.

Well, we “should have” organized, according to one poster, but he fails to say how we could ever do it? We have to have a way to actually organize ourselves, things to do, and places to do them. For me, I am always willing to volunteer LOCALLY!!

For the record, Clifford Brown happens to be one of my top favorite jazz musicians.

So I myself believe we should all spend our time applauding Ford for having the guts & integrity to stand up & confront the Obama fad. Craze wd be a better word. DB, did you see the job Ford did on Eric Dyson “3-pc” Thomas, on DN?
Glen F. may not get everything absolutely right everytime, at least as I myself try to sort “right” from “rightwing” — but he’s a real person, not a commodity like Barack, Hillery & “John” McC.

BTW, somebody a minit ago got it right re “Nader or McKinney”: Nader/Gonzalez 2008 will be History as of next November, but what Cynthia has launched is just beginning. The Reconstruction Party Organizing Cmte just held a mtg in Philly. You will shortly begin to be familiar (assuming you aren’t already?) with the name Colia L Clark, who is a Real Machine.

BTW had my first exposure to Matt Gonzalez tonight courtesy of Amy Goodman. 30 seconds of his rap & haircut are enough for me: been there, endured that. Not again fr crysaches. Like David Cobb with Couth. Gimme a break.

Oh well, “Amerikans”, what can you expect from a bunch who worshipped Elvis & ignored Clifford Brown.

Hehe, I can hear it now: “Clifford Who? Who he?!!?”

Well, don’t worry about it, Joy Spring to you all:)

Rectanglerly Yrs,

Dan

Ford in 2004 wrote glowing commentary in support of Howard Dean after he openly address the racial overtones used to woo southern whites. However Dean on substantive issues was quite similar in stance to Obama’s. Unfortunately, Ford did not throw his support to Ralph Nader in 2004 who was clearly the most progressive candidate and most popular anti-war candidtate running that year.

Ford also in the past has been hyper-critical of Tavis Smiley who corporate sponsored SOBU is really a gathering for Black elites. Also missing from the article was that Obama offered to send Michelle Obama in his place. Obviously that jester was insufficient for Smiley.

This issue is yet another non-issue that really signify nothing other than Ford’s sectarianism. Smiley ego was bruised and blasted Obama. Smiley than was held accountable by Obama’s supporters. Ironically accountability is exactly what Smiley demands from black folks.

The real unfortunate aspects of Ford’s rants is that they lack substance that can be used to properly analyze the Obama “phenomenon”. African Americans has been either implied (by Ford in 2004) or encouraged to support the Democratic candidates. African Americans has been the most reliable voting bloc for the Democrats.

In fact, Ford described Dennis Kucinich as the “black” candidate this year. He applied that description on Kucinich even though Kucinich never mention race (he does speak to class issue). This same Kucinich ran in 2004 and Ford used no such description. Ford, to my knowledge, has never encouraged Blacks not to vote for a Democrat.

Outright denigrating African American who support Obama (especially after the South Carolina primary when Hillary Clinton played the race card) will not convinced them that they should withhold their support for Obama. I think it would be more useful to explain to people where he falls on the issue like health care, etc. and encourage folks to consider alternative such as Nader and McKinney but here too supporters of Nader and McKinney need to be grounded as well.

The problem this year as opposed to 2004 is that the left’s collapse really leave it in an extremely weakened condition to mount a real challenge to Obama, should he receive the nomination. I think the left had counted on Hillary Clinton winning and with all of her negative would have been easy to mobilize against her. I think this is part of the Obama-angst coming from the left.

The left should have supported Nader in 2004 and spent the past four years building a coalition. Especially among African American and people of color. In fact what disappointed me about Nader this year is that had he and McKinney ran together they together could build an extremely strong coalition to challenge the Democrats.

Unfortunately, the left is not strong enough to mount two separate campaigns and rather than coalease their respective strengths, the left will limp along another election cycle. Unfortunately Nader leaves nothing organizationally to work from.

About the most that can happen this year is that Nader could throw a money wrench on the Democrats plans but if Obama move rhetorically to the left a bit he may pick off some those same “progressives” that Ford admonishes.

This is why, I think, Ford would be more effective providing clear analysis rather than his rather than ranting contradictory indignations upon the Obama supporters.

Here is a link explaining who Gloria La Riva is. The web site Left i on the News likes Ms. LaRiva as well as other social issues which tilt left.

http://larivaforpresident.blogspot.com/

The video featuring Bill Maher interviewing Nader was interesting also, though I found Maher came off looking intellectually diminished next to what Nader had to say.

There seems to be a great deal of confusion here. Did you click on the link that I provided for you at 9: 39 am? If you did, you would have found a You Tube video lauding the candidacy of the most progressive person running for president. For some strange reason, you seem to believe that I believe that person to be Barack Obama. As the video makes abundantly clear, that progressive candidate is certainly not Obama[Obama -progressive? Not hardly] but a candidate named Ralph Nader. I have not succumbed to becoming an Obamamaniac. Instead I would not find it surprising if I am the only person in the town where I live that wears a Nader button on his or her shirt.

The hope is that I have shattered your illusion that I am somehow an Obama supporter, since Obama has consistently voted to continue to fund the war and is opposed to a universal single payer health care plan and is opposed to the impeachment of Bush and Cheney. As I tried to state before, any one who claims to be a progressive should cast their vote for Nader [or also Cynthia McKinney or Gloria La Riva].

Click on the link and watch the video along with the other videos that are to the right of the main video for confirmation of what I am saying.

I want you to apologize to me, if he wins, a year after – when you learn the truth that you have been sold down the river. You will realize that you got caught in the “cult of Obama”, a dangerous unwise course that will set back the progressive movement for decades. Shame on you!

Vote for Nader or McKinney.

Isn’t that kind of like being the smartest kid on the short bus?

I have always found it amazing if not bizarre that on so many [alleged] progressive web sites, progressives have no hesitation in bashing the most progressive candidate running for president. I think you might find this link to be of interest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCM85ndyI84&feature=related