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	<title>Comments on: Leaving the States Ain’t as Easy as It Looks</title>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/leaving-the-states-ain%e2%80%99t-as-easy-as-it-looks/#comment-18486</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me. I should have used the word &#039;nationalism&#039; and not &#039;nationality&#039; at the top. I have been upset and distressed today about the slaughter in Gaza. 19 dead in total from overhead helicopter fire, missiles and shells  including a 67year old man, 3 children in a refugee camp, a Reuters cameraman in a clearly marked Press vehicle, and countless more. This is the Israeli retribution for the earlier death of 3 of their soldiers.  A hospital has even been shelled and damaged. All this to the tune of Bush and his band busily occupied today shaking the Pope&#039;s hand with their bloodied ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me. I should have used the word &#8216;nationalism&#8217; and not &#8216;nationality&#8217; at the top. I have been upset and distressed today about the slaughter in Gaza. 19 dead in total from overhead helicopter fire, missiles and shells  including a 67year old man, 3 children in a refugee camp, a Reuters cameraman in a clearly marked Press vehicle, and countless more. This is the Israeli retribution for the earlier death of 3 of their soldiers.  A hospital has even been shelled and damaged. All this to the tune of Bush and his band busily occupied today shaking the Pope&#8217;s hand with their bloodied ones.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/leaving-the-states-ain%e2%80%99t-as-easy-as-it-looks/#comment-18481</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary Corseri speaks above of a universal country, even a world, and I agree wholeheartedly with that concept. Excessive patriotism and nationality have a lot to answer for.
 
The US Senator Byrd (old enough to be from the same generation as H.R. Munro&#039;s grandparents?) on the eve of the Iraq invasion said &#039;Today I weep for my country...&#039; and was he right to say that (although I see he&#039;s had some strange connections early on in his life). Yes he was, unlike McCain who replied to the speech with militaristic platitudes about supporting his President and that it was a just cause. He said &#039;Events will prove one of us correct in the next few days. But I rely on history as my guide to the future, and history shows us, unequivocally, that this nation has stood for freedom and democracy, even at the risk and loss of American lives, so that all might enjoy the same privileges or have the opportunity to someday enjoy the same privileges as we do in this noble experiment called the United States of America&#039;. I think the laugh&#039;s on McCain now except nobody is laughing, certainly not those who survived in what remains of Iraq.
 
I am sorry that the author of the article feels so disenchanted that he must leave America but I quite understand  his reasoning. I wish him happiness wherever he lands.

We are all feeling the same collective shame, guilt and disquiet at what has happened in the last five years and nobody I know here in the UK feels very optimistic, even though it&#039;s Spring and there should be an awakening. It still feels dark and cold although the days are getting longer and the temperature&#039;s rising. If only our spirits were!

http://www.salon.com/news/primary_sources/2008/03/19/byrd/index1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Corseri speaks above of a universal country, even a world, and I agree wholeheartedly with that concept. Excessive patriotism and nationality have a lot to answer for.</p>
<p>The US Senator Byrd (old enough to be from the same generation as H.R. Munro&#8217;s grandparents?) on the eve of the Iraq invasion said &#8216;Today I weep for my country&#8230;&#8217; and was he right to say that (although I see he&#8217;s had some strange connections early on in his life). Yes he was, unlike McCain who replied to the speech with militaristic platitudes about supporting his President and that it was a just cause. He said &#8216;Events will prove one of us correct in the next few days. But I rely on history as my guide to the future, and history shows us, unequivocally, that this nation has stood for freedom and democracy, even at the risk and loss of American lives, so that all might enjoy the same privileges or have the opportunity to someday enjoy the same privileges as we do in this noble experiment called the United States of America&#8217;. I think the laugh&#8217;s on McCain now except nobody is laughing, certainly not those who survived in what remains of Iraq.</p>
<p>I am sorry that the author of the article feels so disenchanted that he must leave America but I quite understand  his reasoning. I wish him happiness wherever he lands.</p>
<p>We are all feeling the same collective shame, guilt and disquiet at what has happened in the last five years and nobody I know here in the UK feels very optimistic, even though it&#8217;s Spring and there should be an awakening. It still feels dark and cold although the days are getting longer and the temperature&#8217;s rising. If only our spirits were!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/news/primary_sources/2008/03/19/byrd/index1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/news/primary_sources/2008/03/19/byrd/index1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: D.R. Munro</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/leaving-the-states-ain%e2%80%99t-as-easy-as-it-looks/#comment-18460</link>
		<dc:creator>D.R. Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words, HP.

It surely wasn&#039;t something that I arrived at without much consideration, but in the end - it seemed the only real choice left to me.

I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll &quot;give up&quot; on the United States, maybe all I need is some time to breath and a little relief from the constant battle we fight daily.  Perhaps maybe after I&#039;ve been gone five years or so, and have regained some of my energy and motivation - I&#039;ll come back and get ready for round 2.

It is sad though, like you said.  I hear all of these great stories from my grandparents and older aunts and unlces (perhaps romanticizing the past, but still), about how there used to be something special about America.  And I look around and go . . . &quot;where is this place they are talking about?  It certainly can&#039;t be here.&quot;

Maybe a few years will give me an outsiders prespective on things and I&#039;ll be able to look at it in a whole new light.  I just need to be sure that I don&#039;t pick a country that the United States may invade between now and then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words, HP.</p>
<p>It surely wasn&#8217;t something that I arrived at without much consideration, but in the end &#8211; it seemed the only real choice left to me.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll &#8220;give up&#8221; on the United States, maybe all I need is some time to breath and a little relief from the constant battle we fight daily.  Perhaps maybe after I&#8217;ve been gone five years or so, and have regained some of my energy and motivation &#8211; I&#8217;ll come back and get ready for round 2.</p>
<p>It is sad though, like you said.  I hear all of these great stories from my grandparents and older aunts and unlces (perhaps romanticizing the past, but still), about how there used to be something special about America.  And I look around and go . . . &#8220;where is this place they are talking about?  It certainly can&#8217;t be here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe a few years will give me an outsiders prespective on things and I&#8217;ll be able to look at it in a whole new light.  I just need to be sure that I don&#8217;t pick a country that the United States may invade between now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/leaving-the-states-ain%e2%80%99t-as-easy-as-it-looks/#comment-18434</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D. R., to me you&#039;ve always come across as much more mature than your young age would suggest. 
It&#039;s very sobering and a bit sad to hear you talk like you do about how you feel and how you see your future, or lack of a future here in America.  Good luck to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D. R., to me you&#8217;ve always come across as much more mature than your young age would suggest.<br />
It&#8217;s very sobering and a bit sad to hear you talk like you do about how you feel and how you see your future, or lack of a future here in America.  Good luck to you.</p>
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		<title>By: D.R. Munro</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/leaving-the-states-ain%e2%80%99t-as-easy-as-it-looks/#comment-18388</link>
		<dc:creator>D.R. Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m leaving as soon as I finish my studies, and as you said - this does not make me happy, not at all.  In fact, it is quite a sad feeling.

Being that I am now college-aged, I have grown up with Bush and this whole War on Terrorism in the background since I was in my early teens.  Slowly but surely I began at first questioning, then hating, then feeling like I needed to leave.

That is certainly an interesting feeling, feeling like you need to leave your native country (I&#039;m even prepared to renounce my citizenship) - but things are going to get far worse before they get better here in the ol&#039; USA.

It&#039;s not because I&#039;m angry or hateful.  It&#039;s because I am so very tired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m leaving as soon as I finish my studies, and as you said &#8211; this does not make me happy, not at all.  In fact, it is quite a sad feeling.</p>
<p>Being that I am now college-aged, I have grown up with Bush and this whole War on Terrorism in the background since I was in my early teens.  Slowly but surely I began at first questioning, then hating, then feeling like I needed to leave.</p>
<p>That is certainly an interesting feeling, feeling like you need to leave your native country (I&#8217;m even prepared to renounce my citizenship) &#8211; but things are going to get far worse before they get better here in the ol&#8217; USA.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not because I&#8217;m angry or hateful.  It&#8217;s because I am so very tired.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Corseri</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/leaving-the-states-ain%e2%80%99t-as-easy-as-it-looks/#comment-18386</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Corseri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 06:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The country that is no country--is my country.
The land that is all land--is my land.
The name that designates no citizen--
that is the name of my comrade.
The sky higher than imagination
and the Earth deeper than love--
they are my sky and my Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The country that is no country&#8211;is my country.<br />
The land that is all land&#8211;is my land.<br />
The name that designates no citizen&#8211;<br />
that is the name of my comrade.<br />
The sky higher than imagination<br />
and the Earth deeper than love&#8211;<br />
they are my sky and my Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: BlytheM.</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/leaving-the-states-ain%e2%80%99t-as-easy-as-it-looks/#comment-18384</link>
		<dc:creator>BlytheM.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

Thanks for the article. I too have considered leaving the country but a major determinant for me, especially as resources become more limited, is does the country have access to resources and the means to protect them. I understand the allure of traveling to a country without a military, certainly after living in Fortress America, but can that country protect itself from countries that may seek to steal its resources? I hope Costa Rica welcomes you warmly, and that my concern never becomes your concern.

I hear that Uruguay and Argentina are also two beautiful countries to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>Thanks for the article. I too have considered leaving the country but a major determinant for me, especially as resources become more limited, is does the country have access to resources and the means to protect them. I understand the allure of traveling to a country without a military, certainly after living in Fortress America, but can that country protect itself from countries that may seek to steal its resources? I hope Costa Rica welcomes you warmly, and that my concern never becomes your concern.</p>
<p>I hear that Uruguay and Argentina are also two beautiful countries to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live for the day I&#039;d be able to leave the same way. I&#039;m not willing to die for a theory, and I refuse to allow my children to suffer the consequences for the actions of people that don&#039;t care about us. 

I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that there is no escape from what is going to happen to this country. Protests and talk are all cheap- and no one is willing to take any action and stop these thieves and cheaters.  I&#039;m dirt poor myself. I can&#039;t up and decide to leave the way the OP has, and I truly commend him for it. Don&#039;t feel guilty- you&#039;re only doing what any sensible person with the means to do so would do. I&#039;d be right behind you if I could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live for the day I&#8217;d be able to leave the same way. I&#8217;m not willing to die for a theory, and I refuse to allow my children to suffer the consequences for the actions of people that don&#8217;t care about us. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that there is no escape from what is going to happen to this country. Protests and talk are all cheap- and no one is willing to take any action and stop these thieves and cheaters.  I&#8217;m dirt poor myself. I can&#8217;t up and decide to leave the way the OP has, and I truly commend him for it. Don&#8217;t feel guilty- you&#8217;re only doing what any sensible person with the means to do so would do. I&#8217;d be right behind you if I could.</p>
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		<title>By: HR</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/leaving-the-states-ain%e2%80%99t-as-easy-as-it-looks/#comment-18361</link>
		<dc:creator>HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve concluded there&#039;s no place to run on the planet, even if I could afford a move.  Besides, this is my country, too, a place whose theoretical ideals I&#039;m willing to die for.  My country is NOT the exclusive property of corporations and the bullying morons among us who (nearly) elect leaders only interested in toeing the corporate line, those of us who slapped on the insipid car magnets and attenna flags and who now &quot;oppose&quot; the war solely because they didn&#039;t get the quick victory their almost-elected monster leaders promised.

My sense is that there are tens of millions like me.  We are fed up, have been pushed to the limit over the last four decades by authoritarian liars in a government that is supposedly of, by, and for, the people.  We are sick of evil abbreviations and the horrendous agencies those abbreviations stand for, like CIA, NSA, FBI, etc., agencies that exist only to steal freedom and privacy, all in the name of (false) security.  We do not need a national ID card, nor do we need cameras pointed at us as we go about our daily activities in public places.  We do not live in a &quot;homeland&quot;, we live in a country.  When you illegal wiretappers, readers of email, Internet crawlers, and your armed comrades come for us, we will not go peacefully.  Bear that in mind.  Enough is enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve concluded there&#8217;s no place to run on the planet, even if I could afford a move.  Besides, this is my country, too, a place whose theoretical ideals I&#8217;m willing to die for.  My country is NOT the exclusive property of corporations and the bullying morons among us who (nearly) elect leaders only interested in toeing the corporate line, those of us who slapped on the insipid car magnets and attenna flags and who now &#8220;oppose&#8221; the war solely because they didn&#8217;t get the quick victory their almost-elected monster leaders promised.</p>
<p>My sense is that there are tens of millions like me.  We are fed up, have been pushed to the limit over the last four decades by authoritarian liars in a government that is supposedly of, by, and for, the people.  We are sick of evil abbreviations and the horrendous agencies those abbreviations stand for, like CIA, NSA, FBI, etc., agencies that exist only to steal freedom and privacy, all in the name of (false) security.  We do not need a national ID card, nor do we need cameras pointed at us as we go about our daily activities in public places.  We do not live in a &#8220;homeland&#8221;, we live in a country.  When you illegal wiretappers, readers of email, Internet crawlers, and your armed comrades come for us, we will not go peacefully.  Bear that in mind.  Enough is enough!</p>
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		<title>By: evie</title>
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		<dc:creator>evie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,
Have you lived or vacationed in Central America/Costa Rica before? Just curious as why CR was your choice for &quot;exile.&quot; It&#039;s a beautiful country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,<br />
Have you lived or vacationed in Central America/Costa Rica before? Just curious as why CR was your choice for &#8220;exile.&#8221; It&#8217;s a beautiful country.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Griffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I could leave the U.S. but I&#039;m dirt poor so therefore stuck here forever.  Maybe when people wake up and realize that we are allready there in a fascistic country and stop pretending that we are only part of the way there, things will get better. But I don&#039;t really have very much hope. Constant frustration over other progressives unwilling to give up on the duopoly give me very little hope for things changing for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could leave the U.S. but I&#8217;m dirt poor so therefore stuck here forever.  Maybe when people wake up and realize that we are allready there in a fascistic country and stop pretending that we are only part of the way there, things will get better. But I don&#8217;t really have very much hope. Constant frustration over other progressives unwilling to give up on the duopoly give me very little hope for things changing for the better.</p>
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