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	<title>Comments on: Is It Time for the Peace Movement to Start Protesting Senator Obama?</title>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/is-it-time-for-the-peace-movement-to-start-protesting-senator-obama/#comment-17860</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micah, I never said that. You&#039;ve confused me.</description>
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		<title>By: Micah Pyre</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/is-it-time-for-the-peace-movement-to-start-protesting-senator-obama/#comment-17857</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah Pyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking about Nader&#039;s &quot;old age&quot; is comical, hp.  Intellect only withers with Alzheimer&#039;s dementia, or with death.  Nader&#039;s not dead.  I haven&#039;t heard about his Alzheimer&#039;s dementia.  Do you have proof of that?

McKinney truly is willing to oppose the Empire-builders of the two &quot;major&quot; parties, the Demmicans and the Republocrats.  

Those who sink to the Limbaugh level of calling the GOP &quot;rethuglicans&quot; are obnoxious and juvenile.  The Democrats are just as thuggish.

Dennis Kucinich is a phony.  He makes NO effort toward impeachment.  He hears from Conyers that it&#039;s a &quot;no-no&quot; and he backs off.  Conyers doesn&#039;t control the Congress.  Conyers doesn&#039;t control anyone who doesn&#039;t let Conyers control him/her.  Conyers doesn&#039;t have the power to prevent Dennis K from reading his counts of impeachment into the Congressional Record.  So what&#039;s stopping Dennis?  Pride.  Hubris.  Posturing.  He enjoys his past accomplishments as a &quot;progressive&quot; but today he seeks only to accommodate the right-leaning Democrats like Obama, Clinton, and the vast majority of the Democrats in the Congress.  The last real opposition to Bush-Cheney in the Congress was Cynthia McKinney.  And the Georgia Democrats ran her out of the party in the 2006 primaries because of it!

Cynthia McKinney, Mike Gravel and Ralph Nader are the people who are willing to lead us back to a sensible form and practice of government.

As to Ron Paul?  Gimme a break.  He&#039;s Ronald Reagan, Part II.  His ties to the von Mises Institute gang are proof of his true colors.  Those cats only want to end THIS war, the one in Iraq.  They&#039;ll conduct any other war that helps them further their religious fervor for &quot;free market capitalism,&quot; rest assured.  Paul Craig Roberts never objected to Ronnie Ray-Gun&#039;s militarism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about Nader&#8217;s &#8220;old age&#8221; is comical, hp.  Intellect only withers with Alzheimer&#8217;s dementia, or with death.  Nader&#8217;s not dead.  I haven&#8217;t heard about his Alzheimer&#8217;s dementia.  Do you have proof of that?</p>
<p>McKinney truly is willing to oppose the Empire-builders of the two &#8220;major&#8221; parties, the Demmicans and the Republocrats.  </p>
<p>Those who sink to the Limbaugh level of calling the GOP &#8220;rethuglicans&#8221; are obnoxious and juvenile.  The Democrats are just as thuggish.</p>
<p>Dennis Kucinich is a phony.  He makes NO effort toward impeachment.  He hears from Conyers that it&#8217;s a &#8220;no-no&#8221; and he backs off.  Conyers doesn&#8217;t control the Congress.  Conyers doesn&#8217;t control anyone who doesn&#8217;t let Conyers control him/her.  Conyers doesn&#8217;t have the power to prevent Dennis K from reading his counts of impeachment into the Congressional Record.  So what&#8217;s stopping Dennis?  Pride.  Hubris.  Posturing.  He enjoys his past accomplishments as a &#8220;progressive&#8221; but today he seeks only to accommodate the right-leaning Democrats like Obama, Clinton, and the vast majority of the Democrats in the Congress.  The last real opposition to Bush-Cheney in the Congress was Cynthia McKinney.  And the Georgia Democrats ran her out of the party in the 2006 primaries because of it!</p>
<p>Cynthia McKinney, Mike Gravel and Ralph Nader are the people who are willing to lead us back to a sensible form and practice of government.</p>
<p>As to Ron Paul?  Gimme a break.  He&#8217;s Ronald Reagan, Part II.  His ties to the von Mises Institute gang are proof of his true colors.  Those cats only want to end THIS war, the one in Iraq.  They&#8217;ll conduct any other war that helps them further their religious fervor for &#8220;free market capitalism,&#8221; rest assured.  Paul Craig Roberts never objected to Ronnie Ray-Gun&#8217;s militarism.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hp, todos, 
well don&#039;t know if this qualifies as an original thought, but on the date 04/04/08, (musically thats 4/4 = one octave) here we have two historic Deaths, and Cynthia &amp; Cindy both in Mexico D.F. addressing a workers conference. hmm -- how about that &quot;Continental Congress of Workers&quot;? Dunno how Original is is, but to me has a nice ring?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: HQ 
To: updates@lists.allthingscynthiamckinney.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 8:09 AM
Subject: [hq2600] Cynthia McKinney and Cindy Sheehan together in Mexico CIty!


Hello all!  Yesterday was not only the 40th Anniversary of the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., it was also the anniversary of the murder of Casey Sheehan.  Cindy shared the pain of her memory with us as we stand with working people across the Americas who are defending their right to work in dignity, and to maintain ownership of their countries&#039; natural resources, and their objection to US wars.  We are hoping that the next Continental Congress of Workers will take place in our country.  Please visit www.allthingscynthiamckinney.com for more information.  Here are my remarks:


Cynthia McKinney
Segundo Encuentro Continental de los Trabajadores
Mexico City, Mexico
April 4, 2008


Brothers and Sisters in the Movement

I am happy to be here in Mexico City where the people all over Latin America are on the move:

On the move for justice, self-determination, and peace.

I love that you have created a Power to the People movement with your votes that is stronger than the mightiest military force on the planet!

With the power of your vote you have taken your countries back.

Now, all we have to do is to count all the votes in the United States and Mexico!

In the 2000 U.S. Presidential election, an estimated six million people went to the polls and voted, but their votes weren&#039;t counted.

In 2000, and again in 2004, Democrats helped to install Republicans into power rather than fight for the victory that the voters had given them.

As a result of this kind of collusion, the Democratic majority in our Congress has failed to impeach Bush.  They have failed to institute a livable wage, stop the multiple wars the U.S. is fighting right now, and they have failed to protect human rights anywhere in the world, including even at home.

That&#039;s why I left the Democratic Party.

I refused to become complicit in war crimes, crimes against humanity, crimes against the peace, spying on the American people, and ripping our Bill of Rights to shreds.

And so I declared my independence from the U.S. leadership that gave us tax cuts for the wealthy and a country 53 trillion dollars in debt and Hurricane Katrina.

To my brothers and sisters at this Conference and in the United States, I say:

Hands off Haiti!

Hands off Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Argentina now making a claim for the Falklands!

Hands off Venezuela and Ecuador!

No to Plan Mexico; No to Plan Colombia!  Hands off Pemex!

And finally, it was on this date, 40 years ago, that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was murdered.

We now know that Dr. King was murdered as part of a conspiracy that included his own government.  Hatched in the bowels of the Pentagon, where so many other regime change operations have been hatched, the government of the United States launched regime change at home on Black America.  We blacks in the United States have long known the pain and the consequences of having authentic leadership snatched from us; of having someone else pick our leaders before we pick them ourselves.

I am proud to join this international movement for self-determination; for justice and for peace.  Despite today&#039;s difficulties, we must never let our dream be deferred.  We in the U.S. gain inspiration from your successes here so we can carry the struggle to every nook and cranny of the United States. 

Que vivan los pueblos de america!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hp, todos,<br />
well don&#8217;t know if this qualifies as an original thought, but on the date 04/04/08, (musically thats 4/4 = one octave) here we have two historic Deaths, and Cynthia &amp; Cindy both in Mexico D.F. addressing a workers conference. hmm &#8212; how about that &#8220;Continental Congress of Workers&#8221;? Dunno how Original is is, but to me has a nice ring?<br />
&#8212;&#8211; Original Message &#8212;&#8211;<br />
From: HQ<br />
To: <a href="mailto:&#x75;&#x70;&#x64;&#x61;&#x74;&#x65;&#x73;&#x40;&#x6c;&#x69;&#x73;&#x74;&#x73;&#x2e;&#x61;llthingscynthiamckinney.com">&#x75;&#x70;&#x64;&#x61;&#x74;&#x65;&#x73;&#x40;&#x6c;&#x69;&#x73;&#x74;&#x73;&#x2e;&#x61;llthingscynthiamckinney.com</a><br />
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 8:09 AM<br />
Subject: [hq2600] Cynthia McKinney and Cindy Sheehan together in Mexico CIty!</p>
<p>Hello all!  Yesterday was not only the 40th Anniversary of the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., it was also the anniversary of the murder of Casey Sheehan.  Cindy shared the pain of her memory with us as we stand with working people across the Americas who are defending their right to work in dignity, and to maintain ownership of their countries&#8217; natural resources, and their objection to US wars.  We are hoping that the next Continental Congress of Workers will take place in our country.  Please visit <a href="http://www.allthingscynthiamckinney.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.allthingscynthiamckinney.com</a> for more information.  Here are my remarks:</p>
<p>Cynthia McKinney<br />
Segundo Encuentro Continental de los Trabajadores<br />
Mexico City, Mexico<br />
April 4, 2008</p>
<p>Brothers and Sisters in the Movement</p>
<p>I am happy to be here in Mexico City where the people all over Latin America are on the move:</p>
<p>On the move for justice, self-determination, and peace.</p>
<p>I love that you have created a Power to the People movement with your votes that is stronger than the mightiest military force on the planet!</p>
<p>With the power of your vote you have taken your countries back.</p>
<p>Now, all we have to do is to count all the votes in the United States and Mexico!</p>
<p>In the 2000 U.S. Presidential election, an estimated six million people went to the polls and voted, but their votes weren&#8217;t counted.</p>
<p>In 2000, and again in 2004, Democrats helped to install Republicans into power rather than fight for the victory that the voters had given them.</p>
<p>As a result of this kind of collusion, the Democratic majority in our Congress has failed to impeach Bush.  They have failed to institute a livable wage, stop the multiple wars the U.S. is fighting right now, and they have failed to protect human rights anywhere in the world, including even at home.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I left the Democratic Party.</p>
<p>I refused to become complicit in war crimes, crimes against humanity, crimes against the peace, spying on the American people, and ripping our Bill of Rights to shreds.</p>
<p>And so I declared my independence from the U.S. leadership that gave us tax cuts for the wealthy and a country 53 trillion dollars in debt and Hurricane Katrina.</p>
<p>To my brothers and sisters at this Conference and in the United States, I say:</p>
<p>Hands off Haiti!</p>
<p>Hands off Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Argentina now making a claim for the Falklands!</p>
<p>Hands off Venezuela and Ecuador!</p>
<p>No to Plan Mexico; No to Plan Colombia!  Hands off Pemex!</p>
<p>And finally, it was on this date, 40 years ago, that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was murdered.</p>
<p>We now know that Dr. King was murdered as part of a conspiracy that included his own government.  Hatched in the bowels of the Pentagon, where so many other regime change operations have been hatched, the government of the United States launched regime change at home on Black America.  We blacks in the United States have long known the pain and the consequences of having authentic leadership snatched from us; of having someone else pick our leaders before we pick them ourselves.</p>
<p>I am proud to join this international movement for self-determination; for justice and for peace.  Despite today&#8217;s difficulties, we must never let our dream be deferred.  We in the U.S. gain inspiration from your successes here so we can carry the struggle to every nook and cranny of the United States. </p>
<p>Que vivan los pueblos de america!</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/is-it-time-for-the-peace-movement-to-start-protesting-senator-obama/#comment-17642</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks dan e. 
Man, do you know how hard it is to come up with an original thought this last century or so?
Even a one liner. 
It&#039;s all been pretty much said, every which way but loose, and with everyone taking themselves so seriously these days its sometimes a little hard to laugh.
The best medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks dan e.<br />
Man, do you know how hard it is to come up with an original thought this last century or so?<br />
Even a one liner.<br />
It&#8217;s all been pretty much said, every which way but loose, and with everyone taking themselves so seriously these days its sometimes a little hard to laugh.<br />
The best medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hp, that&#039;s a great line, &quot;better tans on a snowman&quot;:) 

Sure seem to be a lot of Rethuglicans posting on DV now. Deadbeat on the other hand poses the question of the hour, which I&#039;ll try to ans. like this:

Chaos theory informs us that we can&#039;t in all cases count on Newtonian cause and effect, but the odds have to be close to Infinity to One that the next POTUS will, like the incumbent, be a gunsel for the most reactionary, most terrorism-inclined faction in the capitalist ruling class. In other words, it doesn&#039;t seem reasonable &amp; prudent to expect any of the non-duopoly candidates to actually wind up sworn in as president next January. So why should anti-war/anti-racism/anti-political repression type folks bother to choose one of the many &quot;third-party&quot; candidates who&#039;ve cast chapeaus into the ring? What diff. could it make whether one supports/donates to/works for this one or that one?

Deadbeat has provided the answer: since the ills of the world aren&#039;t going to be measurably ameliorated in this one election cycle, the emphasis needs to be on Building A Movement, one with a skilled Electoral Vehicle constituting one of its main branches. 

Nader is, like me, so old he can barely stand the pace any kind of activism demands. And, like myself, he&#039;s getting older everyday. 

McKinney on the other hand is a dynamo of energy, flying around the country, first here, then there, speaking at a rally in SF, then giving a long lecture at Rutgers for Women&#039;s History Month. This is a person who is not going away anytime soon. This is a person who is a longterm threat to the Status Quo, no matter how Conventions or Elections turn out. 
A McKinney candidacy holds the potential to relaunch Dr King&#039;s project, to re-ignite a Poor People&#039;s Campaign and ally it with forces focussed on putting a stop to all these wars of aggression and all this sliding down the slope to a full-fledged Police State. 

Ron Paul has made some good statements opposing the &quot;war&quot; (sic) in Iraq, but he&#039;s still a Republican &amp; all his friends are Rethuglicans. Other than this one hot-button issue, he&#039;s a coldblooded reactionary. He&#039;s obviously been encouraged to enter the race in order to provide an option for intermediate-strata folks that will keep them from going over to the camp of the Oppressed. 

Kucinich sounds good at times, but will never cut the umbilical to the  Ohio Democrat Party apparatus. He&#039;s not running for Pres. but to retain his seat in Congress, &amp; maybe pay some of his campaign debts. I.e., he&#039;s not a factor, and those who cling to the notion he&#039;s going to lead us out of this mess are dreaming. 

So who else is there? Gloria La Riva makes a lot of sense up to a point, but only up to a point. Once you take a close look at what the PSL really stands for, it&#039;s obviously a dead end  for all but the La Rivas, Beckers &amp; other &quot;Old Bolsheviks&quot; who make up it&#039;s anti-democratic power-hungry core cadre. 

I guess from the name that La Riva must be some kind of Latina, so I give her a pass, but as far as I&#039;m concerned any Wyt person daring to run against Cynthia McKinney has to be some kind of a racist or some kind of an idiot.
Cynthia may not be the perfect candidate, but she&#039;s head and shoulders above all the alternatives. The McKinney campaign, comprised as it is of widely divergent components, will yet emerge as the rebirth of the Movement they assassinated Dr King to decapitate. 

Power to the People! Green Power to Green People! Black Power to Black People! Brown Power to Brown People! Muslim Power to Muslim People! Gay Power to Gay People!

Screw the Hegemon! Screw &quot;power with a capital P&quot;! Screw the Statutes of the Status Quo!

Power to the People!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hp, that&#8217;s a great line, &#8220;better tans on a snowman&#8221;:) </p>
<p>Sure seem to be a lot of Rethuglicans posting on DV now. Deadbeat on the other hand poses the question of the hour, which I&#8217;ll try to ans. like this:</p>
<p>Chaos theory informs us that we can&#8217;t in all cases count on Newtonian cause and effect, but the odds have to be close to Infinity to One that the next POTUS will, like the incumbent, be a gunsel for the most reactionary, most terrorism-inclined faction in the capitalist ruling class. In other words, it doesn&#8217;t seem reasonable &amp; prudent to expect any of the non-duopoly candidates to actually wind up sworn in as president next January. So why should anti-war/anti-racism/anti-political repression type folks bother to choose one of the many &#8220;third-party&#8221; candidates who&#8217;ve cast chapeaus into the ring? What diff. could it make whether one supports/donates to/works for this one or that one?</p>
<p>Deadbeat has provided the answer: since the ills of the world aren&#8217;t going to be measurably ameliorated in this one election cycle, the emphasis needs to be on Building A Movement, one with a skilled Electoral Vehicle constituting one of its main branches. </p>
<p>Nader is, like me, so old he can barely stand the pace any kind of activism demands. And, like myself, he&#8217;s getting older everyday. </p>
<p>McKinney on the other hand is a dynamo of energy, flying around the country, first here, then there, speaking at a rally in SF, then giving a long lecture at Rutgers for Women&#8217;s History Month. This is a person who is not going away anytime soon. This is a person who is a longterm threat to the Status Quo, no matter how Conventions or Elections turn out.<br />
A McKinney candidacy holds the potential to relaunch Dr King&#8217;s project, to re-ignite a Poor People&#8217;s Campaign and ally it with forces focussed on putting a stop to all these wars of aggression and all this sliding down the slope to a full-fledged Police State. </p>
<p>Ron Paul has made some good statements opposing the &#8220;war&#8221; (sic) in Iraq, but he&#8217;s still a Republican &amp; all his friends are Rethuglicans. Other than this one hot-button issue, he&#8217;s a coldblooded reactionary. He&#8217;s obviously been encouraged to enter the race in order to provide an option for intermediate-strata folks that will keep them from going over to the camp of the Oppressed. </p>
<p>Kucinich sounds good at times, but will never cut the umbilical to the  Ohio Democrat Party apparatus. He&#8217;s not running for Pres. but to retain his seat in Congress, &amp; maybe pay some of his campaign debts. I.e., he&#8217;s not a factor, and those who cling to the notion he&#8217;s going to lead us out of this mess are dreaming. </p>
<p>So who else is there? Gloria La Riva makes a lot of sense up to a point, but only up to a point. Once you take a close look at what the PSL really stands for, it&#8217;s obviously a dead end  for all but the La Rivas, Beckers &amp; other &#8220;Old Bolsheviks&#8221; who make up it&#8217;s anti-democratic power-hungry core cadre. </p>
<p>I guess from the name that La Riva must be some kind of Latina, so I give her a pass, but as far as I&#8217;m concerned any Wyt person daring to run against Cynthia McKinney has to be some kind of a racist or some kind of an idiot.<br />
Cynthia may not be the perfect candidate, but she&#8217;s head and shoulders above all the alternatives. The McKinney campaign, comprised as it is of widely divergent components, will yet emerge as the rebirth of the Movement they assassinated Dr King to decapitate. </p>
<p>Power to the People! Green Power to Green People! Black Power to Black People! Brown Power to Brown People! Muslim Power to Muslim People! Gay Power to Gay People!</p>
<p>Screw the Hegemon! Screw &#8220;power with a capital P&#8221;! Screw the Statutes of the Status Quo!</p>
<p>Power to the People!!!</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain and Hillary swarthy?
I&#039;ve seen better tans on a snowman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain and Hillary swarthy?<br />
I&#8217;ve seen better tans on a snowman.</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe walker said :
&quot;I get the feeling you would protest Jesus Christ if he was in the race.&quot;

RON PAUL is the &#039;Jesus Christ&#039; and he is already being protested and marginalized....by the  &quot;owners of  our country...&quot; 

The LEFT does not coalesce.  When they see a GOOD  thing on the horizon, they go into  DENIAL...

As for Obama, he&#039;s just a swarthy Zionist like the other two front runners.  The Zionists don&#039;t leave anything to chance.  They edge their bets.

For every TEN mentions of Nader, I see ONE on Paul, if that.   
Nader is a proven dead loss, yet the Left keeps on harping about him as THE Choice.  How&#039;s that for self-inflicting  flagellation and masochism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe walker said :<br />
&#8220;I get the feeling you would protest Jesus Christ if he was in the race.&#8221;</p>
<p>RON PAUL is the &#8216;Jesus Christ&#8217; and he is already being protested and marginalized&#8230;.by the  &#8220;owners of  our country&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>The LEFT does not coalesce.  When they see a GOOD  thing on the horizon, they go into  DENIAL&#8230;</p>
<p>As for Obama, he&#8217;s just a swarthy Zionist like the other two front runners.  The Zionists don&#8217;t leave anything to chance.  They edge their bets.</p>
<p>For every TEN mentions of Nader, I see ONE on Paul, if that.<br />
Nader is a proven dead loss, yet the Left keeps on harping about him as THE Choice.  How&#8217;s that for self-inflicting  flagellation and masochism?</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rahul Mahajan of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.empirenotes.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Empire Notes&lt;/a&gt; has an excellent two-part critique of Ralph Nader&#039;s run this year.  I agree with his critique and essentially that Nader&#039;s last two run has left no political structure to build upon.  IMO it is not all Nader&#039;s fault as the left abandon him but on the other hand his refusal to run within the Green Party he would have easily defeated David Cobb.

Without leaving any real structure, voting for Nader will be more symbolic than productive.  What&#039;s needed is the construction of a movement and a party that represents that movement.  Unfortunately with the left so divided and weak Nader will not have too much influence this year.  It&#039;s a shame because 2004 was the opportunity for the left to coalesce and build upon the anti-war sentiment but alas obfuscation rather than confrontation was more important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rahul Mahajan of <a href="http://www.empirenotes.org/" rel="nofollow">Empire Notes</a> has an excellent two-part critique of Ralph Nader&#8217;s run this year.  I agree with his critique and essentially that Nader&#8217;s last two run has left no political structure to build upon.  IMO it is not all Nader&#8217;s fault as the left abandon him but on the other hand his refusal to run within the Green Party he would have easily defeated David Cobb.</p>
<p>Without leaving any real structure, voting for Nader will be more symbolic than productive.  What&#8217;s needed is the construction of a movement and a party that represents that movement.  Unfortunately with the left so divided and weak Nader will not have too much influence this year.  It&#8217;s a shame because 2004 was the opportunity for the left to coalesce and build upon the anti-war sentiment but alas obfuscation rather than confrontation was more important.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cynics are right nine times out of ten.</description>
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		<title>By: verite</title>
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		<dc:creator>verite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well.. .. for Nader&#039;s number ONE plank..  
viz. - a proper democracy for  the USA.. then this is not an issue..
Vote P.R!  except it is &quot;not on the table&quot;

&quot;Yeah Kevin. “Stronger canidate (sic) ?” After all the success the peace “movement” (sic)  has had holding (…oh, where to start?…) Bush1/Baker, Bush2/Cheney, Kerry, Clinton(s), Pelosi, Lieberman, et al’s.  (sic) feet to the fire, it should be an uncontested slam dunk to turn Obama into the second coming of Ghandi.

PS McKinney, Nader, et al. (sic)  will pull in about .05% total, maybe 1% if the peace “movement”  (sic) deserts Obama en masse.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well.. .. for Nader&#8217;s number ONE plank..<br />
viz. &#8211; a proper democracy for  the USA.. then this is not an issue..<br />
Vote P.R!  except it is &#8220;not on the table&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yeah Kevin. “Stronger canidate (sic) ?” After all the success the peace “movement” (sic)  has had holding (…oh, where to start?…) Bush1/Baker, Bush2/Cheney, Kerry, Clinton(s), Pelosi, Lieberman, et al’s.  (sic) feet to the fire, it should be an uncontested slam dunk to turn Obama into the second coming of Ghandi.</p>
<p>PS McKinney, Nader, et al. (sic)  will pull in about .05% total, maybe 1% if the peace “movement”  (sic) deserts Obama en masse.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Griffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I would protest &quot;Jesus Christ&quot;! The real Jesus Christ would be amazed at the delusional cult that has arisen over fictional stories written about his life!! 

Cynicism about 1% - more like 4-5% in truth, isn&#039;t helpful. It&#039;s staying in a mindset of defeat without trying that is the real reason the peace movement keeps failing over and over again. It&#039;s time to move outside of the box and do what our conscience tells us we must do: support peace candidates, for President, congress, in state legislatures, city &amp; town councils - we CAN do it, we just have to get past cynical negative responses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I would protest &#8220;Jesus Christ&#8221;! The real Jesus Christ would be amazed at the delusional cult that has arisen over fictional stories written about his life!! </p>
<p>Cynicism about 1% &#8211; more like 4-5% in truth, isn&#8217;t helpful. It&#8217;s staying in a mindset of defeat without trying that is the real reason the peace movement keeps failing over and over again. It&#8217;s time to move outside of the box and do what our conscience tells us we must do: support peace candidates, for President, congress, in state legislatures, city &amp; town councils &#8211; we CAN do it, we just have to get past cynical negative responses.</p>
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		<title>By: joe walker</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/is-it-time-for-the-peace-movement-to-start-protesting-senator-obama/#comment-17503</link>
		<dc:creator>joe walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get the feeling you would protest Jesus Christ if he was in the race.</description>
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		<title>By: dan e</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/is-it-time-for-the-peace-movement-to-start-protesting-senator-obama/#comment-17499</link>
		<dc:creator>dan e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this is certainly an upgrade from Mr Z&#039;s earlier article on DV this month. But the premise still cracks me up: &quot;Should the peace mov&#039;t protest Obama&quot; -- ROTFL!!!

Anybody with the sense god gave lil green apples has been hollering Run Tom Run since last summer at least;) 

Run Tom Run!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this is certainly an upgrade from Mr Z&#8217;s earlier article on DV this month. But the premise still cracks me up: &#8220;Should the peace mov&#8217;t protest Obama&#8221; &#8212; ROTFL!!!</p>
<p>Anybody with the sense god gave lil green apples has been hollering Run Tom Run since last summer at least;) </p>
<p>Run Tom Run!</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/is-it-time-for-the-peace-movement-to-start-protesting-senator-obama/#comment-17497</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always Americans will vote for the lesser of the evils.

The owners of our country will not allow us to have any any other viable choice.

It&#039;s business as usual!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always Americans will vote for the lesser of the evils.</p>
<p>The owners of our country will not allow us to have any any other viable choice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s business as usual!</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/is-it-time-for-the-peace-movement-to-start-protesting-senator-obama/#comment-17496</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hue Longer said :
&quot;excellent article! very concise, indisputable and quick to read…&quot;

Well, this is much more indisputable,
AND much, much, much QUICKER to read!

Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!
                               IS
                  THE    ANSWER !!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hue Longer said :<br />
&#8220;excellent article! very concise, indisputable and quick to read…&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, this is much more indisputable,<br />
AND much, much, much QUICKER to read!</p>
<p>Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!<br />
                               IS<br />
                  THE    ANSWER !!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Donnelly</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/is-it-time-for-the-peace-movement-to-start-protesting-senator-obama/#comment-17494</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Donnelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Kevin. &quot;Stronger canidate?&quot; After all the success the peace &quot;movement&quot; has had holding (...oh, where to start?...) Bush1/Baker, Bush2/Cheney, Kerry, Clinton(s), Pelosi, Lieberman, et al&#039;s.  feet to the fire, it should be an uncontested slam dunk to turn Obama into the second coming of Ghandi.

PS McKinney, Nader, et al. will pull in about .05% total, maybe 1% if the peace &quot;movement&quot; deserts Obama en masse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Kevin. &#8220;Stronger canidate?&#8221; After all the success the peace &#8220;movement&#8221; has had holding (&#8230;oh, where to start?&#8230;) Bush1/Baker, Bush2/Cheney, Kerry, Clinton(s), Pelosi, Lieberman, et al&#8217;s.  feet to the fire, it should be an uncontested slam dunk to turn Obama into the second coming of Ghandi.</p>
<p>PS McKinney, Nader, et al. will pull in about .05% total, maybe 1% if the peace &#8220;movement&#8221; deserts Obama en masse.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/is-it-time-for-the-peace-movement-to-start-protesting-senator-obama/#comment-17481</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curious, that with all this history, naming of names, and political  intrigue, the &quot;I&quot; word is missing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious, that with all this history, naming of names, and political  intrigue, the &#8220;I&#8221; word is missing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ko</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/is-it-time-for-the-peace-movement-to-start-protesting-senator-obama/#comment-17480</link>
		<dc:creator>Ko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is just a 33th degree freemason and I read today that he wants the CO2 hoax ambassador Gore as his minister of environment.. that&#039;s a laugh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is just a 33th degree freemason and I read today that he wants the CO2 hoax ambassador Gore as his minister of environment.. that&#8217;s a laugh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/is-it-time-for-the-peace-movement-to-start-protesting-senator-obama/#comment-17479</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What &quot;Peace Movement&quot;?  The &quot;peace&quot; movement collapse in 2004 when they supported John Kerry, Anybody But Bush, Avoid any focus on Zionism, safe state strategy.

When the left really wants to confront Zionism then there&#039;ll be a peace movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What &#8220;Peace Movement&#8221;?  The &#8220;peace&#8221; movement collapse in 2004 when they supported John Kerry, Anybody But Bush, Avoid any focus on Zionism, safe state strategy.</p>
<p>When the left really wants to confront Zionism then there&#8217;ll be a peace movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/04/is-it-time-for-the-peace-movement-to-start-protesting-senator-obama/#comment-17470</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Hue.   just revisited our posts at DV&#039;s:

Military Tribunals and You!
by Cindy Sheehan / February 18th, 2008

But I can&#039;t find your name anywhere on the page that comes up at Google, except in references to DV.   

So here goes here: you and I ought to form a free editing service for selected (by us, natch) &quot;writers&quot; -- and call it maybe &quot;One Diligent, One Lazy Person Editors, For Free, Internet Only&quot;.

Need I say more?

lloydrowsey@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Hue.   just revisited our posts at DV&#8217;s:</p>
<p>Military Tribunals and You!<br />
by Cindy Sheehan / February 18th, 2008</p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t find your name anywhere on the page that comes up at Google, except in references to DV.   </p>
<p>So here goes here: you and I ought to form a free editing service for selected (by us, natch) &#8220;writers&#8221; &#8212; and call it maybe &#8220;One Diligent, One Lazy Person Editors, For Free, Internet Only&#8221;.</p>
<p>Need I say more?</p>
<p><a href="mailto:&#x6c;&#x6c;&#x6f;&#x79;&#x64;&#x72;&#x6f;&#x77;&#x73;&#x65;&#x79;&#x40;&#x68;&#x6f;&#x74;&#x6d;&#x61;&#x69;&#x6c;&#x2e;&#x63;om">&#x6c;&#x6c;&#x6f;&#x79;&#x64;&#x72;&#x6f;&#x77;&#x73;&#x65;&#x79;&#x40;&#x68;&#x6f;&#x74;&#x6d;&#x61;&#x69;&#x6c;&#x2e;&#x63;om</a></p>
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