But the elephant in the corner is a nuclear strike on Iran. Not ANYTHING afterwards.

GOOD GRIEF!

As they say: ‘people deserve the government they’ve got!’
So guys enjoy your forthcoming ride to doom….

Paul Craig Roberts, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, concludes his article entitled “The Collapse of American Power” ( March 18, 2008), with the following statement:

” The American economy has been devastated by offshoring, by foreign competition, and by the importation of foreigners on work visas, while it holds to a free trade ideology that benefits corporate fat cats and shareholders at the expense of American labor. The dollar is failing in its role as reserve currency and will soon be abandoned.
When the dollar ceases to be the reserve currency, the US will no longer be able to pay its bills by borrowing more from foreigners.
I sometimes wonder if the bankrupt “superpower” will be able to scrape together the resources to bring home the troops stationed in its hundreds of bases overseas, or whether they will just be abandoned.”

To which I add and italicize: “abandoned troops that may well end up being cannibalized and eaten alive by starving emaciated Iraqis” !

Finally, using the monkey’s fist analogy, the Americans, like the South African monkeys, are determined and single-minded creatures that have to hold-on and cannot ever let go!
Hence, just like the monkeys, they will end up by being captured and destroyed. “That woman” referred to above, is just the very epitome of this grossly obscene mindset.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/no-occupation-without-representation-and-other-electoral-musings/

At the end of Bobby Kennedy’s life there was a perpetual pain in his face as he touched the young and poor. That’s missing now. That is also not explainable but is very real and seems to matter a whole lot more than the blending of isms.

Jewish Advocates Demand that Obama Show ‘Fealty to Israel

I recall reading somewhere that Bush was extremely dismissive of Wolfowitz and Feith who were pushing their PNAC initiatives prior to 9-11. It was after 9-11 that Bush became a neo-con. I’m not sure about Chaney’s conversion. My guess is that Bush & Chaney were opportunists who used 9-11 to achieve “business” (in the case of Chaney) and “religious” (in the case of Bush) goals. What ever their reasons, both certainly adopted the neo-con agenda hook, line, and sinker after 9-11.

Let’s take McCain as another example. I would not consider McCain a neo-con. McCain IMO is clearly a militarist. But with no Cold War he needs an enemy. Hence McCain’s alliance with Lieberman a neo-con. Together Lieberman provides McCain with an enemy and Lieberman get the militarism he seeks to advance Zionism.

The same holds true for Hillary and Bill Clinton. Both are neo-cons only that they are Democrats.

Obama is kind of scary IMO primarily because the neo-cons within the Democratic party are not convinced of his “fealty” to Israel. Obama want dialog among allies and enemies. On the other hand all roads to the Presidency leads through AIPAC.

Are there ties and connections between necons and zionists? It certainly appears there are. But do they really speak for one another? I think there’s a confluence (some convenient, some not), but I really think the relationship is one of leveraging and here, I think of the old cartoon of the rat in the Skinner box, pulling the lever and a pellet of food drops, with the caption from the rat: ” I’ve got this guy trained every time I pull this lever he feeds me.” Who’s the real subject?

Max, neo-conservatism is essentially reaction the leftward drift of Liberalism since Liberalism is essentially a conservative ideology.
Leo Strauss who is considered the “father” of neo-conservatism refers to a neo-con as a “liberal mugged by reality”. Zionism has been a key component of neo-conservatism since its origins.

Neo-conservatism as defined by liberal today as a marriage of militarism and neoliberalism with the downplaying of its tradition Zionism. All of these “isms” are fluid. I think along the way what may have been an expression of support for Zionism picked up some adherent of the neoliberalism to bolster financial support and militarism to extend hegemonic aims. But neo-conservatism today seem to have merged Zionism, militarism and corporatism into a nice neat package.

You are not alone in your willingness to believe in the rhetoric of Obama as a sign of something more….But I don’t know what indication or proof you have that Zionists are greatly troubled by Obama. Can you elucidate?

These are just some of the articles in which I’ve recently posted comments:

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-independence-of-kosovo/

In this one, I post several comments. My last one is line by line analysis of the piece. Falsehoods galore. You see, I happen to be from the area and have lived the history.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/read-this-or-george-w-bush-will-be-president-the-rest-of-your-life-2/

In this piece, Mr. Blum invites me and other to email him PRIVATELY with our comments (where he could easily blow us off). The public forum is “inconvenient” for him. Spreading the truth to the masses doesn’t matter.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/on-rejecting-the-system/

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/buckleys-big-mistake/

I’ve also read how getting rid of health insurance companies will solve ALL our health problems, when my OWN experience tells me it’s just the tip of the iceberg.

I’ve read in these and similar pages how one atom of plutonium will kill you, how bats are affected by the radar systems at the US-Mexico border, etc., etc., etc. The land of the ignorant.

Anyone who would even post a comment like the above, is totally unaware of the way things are.

Only in America do people wear their ignorance on their sleeves, as a badge of honor. In Europe, people don’t open their mouths until they are SURE they know what they are talking about, for fear of SEVERE ridicule at their ignorance, but not here. The whole country is based on ignorance and operated on ignorance. Especially you “progressives” hysterically revel in your ignorance, led by the pied pipers like Ralph, who handily and easily exploit it.

Anyone who thinks that a multimillionaire like Ralph, who besides uses lies and demagoguery (that’s how he got rich), would be looking out for interests of common folk, is a sucker of the first order.

Just an example, because of Ralph and people like him, we are now burning vast, humongous, massive quantities of natural gas to generate electricity (20% of electric power in the US comes from natural gas). This is done through highly inefficient peaking generators, because Ralph and his ilk sabotaged building of base generating units using other fuels. Natural gas, the fuel that is uniquely suited for cooking and heating our homes. As a result, the price of this commodity is skyrocketing (but you haven’t seen nothing yet) and the available reserves are dwindling.

The day of reckoning, where you’ll be freezing your ass in the winter, while being made destitute by utility bills, is not far off. But who cares, Ralph made his millions, and you lemmings will follow him off the cliff –except he won’t jump, he’s taken care of, you see.

They are all multimillionaires, not to be trusted, I am just pointing this out in the face of your undying love for Ralph.

Are there ties and connections between necons and zionists? It certainly appears there are. But do they really speak for one another? I think there’s a confluence (some convenient, some not), but I really think the relationship is one of leveraging and here, I think of the old cartoon of the rat in the Skinner box, pulling the lever and a pellet of food drops, with the caption from the rat: ” I’ve got this guy trained every time I pull this lever he feeds me.” Who’s the real subject?

I would suggest reading the articles posted on DV from writers promoting the War in Iraq as “War for Oil”. There have been many distortions and obfuscations of the role of Zionism’s influence and goals on the war. Somehow these writers choose to ignore PNAC and the influence of its writers, funders, and promoters in the establishment of U.S. foreign policies.

The goal of these writers are to persuade readers that the neo-conservative project is solely about profit and partially about militarism and deliberately downplay, obfuscate and outright ignore or deny that Zionism is a problem within the U.S. At best they’ll condemn Israeli policies but that assumes that Zionism is solely an Israeli problem and not an American one.

Those writers have been given a forum here on DV as they should. Their perspectives should not be suppressed. However DV has also and thankfully published the writings of James Petras who have exposed the tactics of this left-wing attempt to deflect Zionism as an internal problem, the main reason for the demobilization of the anti-war movement, and the deleterious outcomes that have emerged due to the left’s failure to confront Zionism.

The failure of the left to confront this issue created the political vacuum that is temporarily being filled by Obama with his message of “change” and “unity”. He has tapped into the public’s desire to get rid of the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton cycle.

Clearly Obama has many negatives on the other hand he is the lesser of two evils (among McCain & Clinton). Unfortunately the empty attacks from the left upon Obama are done without any context to the left’s own failures. In fact these attacks especially coming from such “leftist” who have played a role in obfuscating and denying Zionism lack credibility and akin to attacks upon his supporters and will only further alienate the left.

The best scenario for the left right now is for Clinton to win the Democratic nomination. At least this time the left cannot be scapegoated like it was with Nader in 2000. The disappointment among Obama supporters may be such that they will look for alternatives and may turn to Nader or McKinney.

But such an outcome IMO is defeatist. Also despite the rhetoric of building from the ground up, the “left” is not prepared to build a movement. The best evidence of that came in 2003-2004 and the left self-destructed. With such fracturing, disorganization, and dishonesty it will a very long time before there is any real cohesion on the left.

Read the articles where writers have described the War in Iraq as “War for Oil”. There has been many distortion and obfuscation Zionist role in the War. Somehow these writers all ignore PNAC and their influence is establishing U.S. policies.