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	<title>Comments on: Happy Easter, but does the historical evidence confirm a historical Jesus of Nazareth resurrected from the dead or does it suggest just another mythical savior-god story?</title>
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		<title>By: robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wouldn&#039;t expect to get an accurate account of Christian history from non-Christians anymore than I would expect to get an accurate account of Black history from non-blacks.   You can&#039;t expect to get the truth about a group of people from people who oppose the existence of that group</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wouldn&#8217;t expect to get an accurate account of Christian history from non-Christians anymore than I would expect to get an accurate account of Black history from non-blacks.   You can&#8217;t expect to get the truth about a group of people from people who oppose the existence of that group</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fake or not, JESUS lives on in the minds of all Christians as an inspirational Icon and the most recognisable Person of all history...
A Jewess once told me in no uncertain terms that  &quot;Jesus was the greatest  conman that ever walked the earth&quot;. So even when mocked, He  haunts and plagues the  zionists&#039; mind. There is a 65 page paperback in the Self-Publishing site  www.lulu.com  titled &quot;THS SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST&quot; which forecasts His arrival some time in the end of 2008. After being  black eyed by a zionist, Jesus deals with this world&#039;s warmongers in an amusing and original way.  There is a FREE preview of it for those interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fake or not, JESUS lives on in the minds of all Christians as an inspirational Icon and the most recognisable Person of all history&#8230;<br />
A Jewess once told me in no uncertain terms that  &#8220;Jesus was the greatest  conman that ever walked the earth&#8221;. So even when mocked, He  haunts and plagues the  zionists&#8217; mind. There is a 65 page paperback in the Self-Publishing site  <a href="http://www.lulu.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lulu.com</a>  titled &#8220;THS SECOND COMING OF JESUS CHRIST&#8221; which forecasts His arrival some time in the end of 2008. After being  black eyed by a zionist, Jesus deals with this world&#8217;s warmongers in an amusing and original way.  There is a FREE preview of it for those interested.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the first responder, Rodney Sheffer.  It is obvious that this religion, like all other religions is a fraud, a fairy tale designed to keep the masses in check, to not rock the boat and to enrich the &quot;messengers&quot; and keep the powerful unbothered to do what they please.  (And why else would all of these religions be cut on basically the same mold, from time immemorial on, with a few minor adjustments here and there).  What is amazing is that so many adult people choose to buy into these Santa Claus fables.  

There are many, many obvious facts and signs that point to this (the Christian religion or any religion) being a scam, as well as to the motivation for such, one only has to use his brain for something other than a hat rack.  But I must confess it never occurred to me to look at this from this angle.  And it obviously required a fair amount of research.  

It is obviously courageous of the author, given his background, to be exposing these truths, he&#039;s sure to be tarred and feathered in this brain-washed society.  

Like it was said above, this will not be read by the true believers, who prefer to keep their heads in the sand, the brainwashing has been going on for such a long time.  But as for me, please keep such articles coming, this is good material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the first responder, Rodney Sheffer.  It is obvious that this religion, like all other religions is a fraud, a fairy tale designed to keep the masses in check, to not rock the boat and to enrich the &#8220;messengers&#8221; and keep the powerful unbothered to do what they please.  (And why else would all of these religions be cut on basically the same mold, from time immemorial on, with a few minor adjustments here and there).  What is amazing is that so many adult people choose to buy into these Santa Claus fables.  </p>
<p>There are many, many obvious facts and signs that point to this (the Christian religion or any religion) being a scam, as well as to the motivation for such, one only has to use his brain for something other than a hat rack.  But I must confess it never occurred to me to look at this from this angle.  And it obviously required a fair amount of research.  </p>
<p>It is obviously courageous of the author, given his background, to be exposing these truths, he&#8217;s sure to be tarred and feathered in this brain-washed society.  </p>
<p>Like it was said above, this will not be read by the true believers, who prefer to keep their heads in the sand, the brainwashing has been going on for such a long time.  But as for me, please keep such articles coming, this is good material.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
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		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jasdeep,
                perhaps I missed it but is your discourse lacking mention of the Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu?
Who, by appearing as the Supreme Personality incarnated as His own devotee, gave us the way to achieve the conclusion of all Vedanta by the only means practical in this age of Kali Yuga, the Mahamantra. The sixteen names of God. 
Hari bol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jasdeep,<br />
                perhaps I missed it but is your discourse lacking mention of the Lord Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu?<br />
Who, by appearing as the Supreme Personality incarnated as His own devotee, gave us the way to achieve the conclusion of all Vedanta by the only means practical in this age of Kali Yuga, the Mahamantra. The sixteen names of God.<br />
Hari bol!</p>
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		<title>By: Allan S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting piece... but the sources are rather narrow (and certainly have axes to grind).  Jon Reed ( chief archaeologist of Sephorris)  has placed the settlement of Nazareth to 200 b.c.  Freke and Gandy&#039;s (although interestingly gnostic) work appears mostly in the New Age section of Barnes and Noble.  Same goes for Doherty.

I prefer the work of the Jesus Seminar. Especially J. D. Crossan and Marcus Borg. Further study would be best referred there.

The link below is a good summation of all the theories and scholars who write about this stuff.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece&#8230; but the sources are rather narrow (and certainly have axes to grind).  Jon Reed ( chief archaeologist of Sephorris)  has placed the settlement of Nazareth to 200 b.c.  Freke and Gandy&#8217;s (although interestingly gnostic) work appears mostly in the New Age section of Barnes and Noble.  Same goes for Doherty.</p>
<p>I prefer the work of the Jesus Seminar. Especially J. D. Crossan and Marcus Borg. Further study would be best referred there.</p>
<p>The link below is a good summation of all the theories and scholars who write about this stuff.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JASDEEP SINDHU</title>
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		<dc:creator>JASDEEP SINDHU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heaven on Earth
  
        Thousands years ago Vedic Rishis (sages) had dreamt of peace, order and co-existence of all the living creatures not only on earth but in whole universe. In times to come king Aggrasain made it to happen in his rule and laid foundation of a prosperous and progressive empire where no one was in sufferings; all the citizens used to help each other. This kingdom was a unique example of spiritual socialism. In the west message of “KINGDOM OF GOD ON EARTH” became strong voice of common man on the advent of Jesus Christ. In a very short period it became an eye-sore of the then emperor when this Message started taking swing as a movement. It became a fear of the emperor. The emperor started thinking that this man has become a threat to his empire and he should not be allowed to remain alive. The Emperor ordered for his crucifixion. Jesus Christ left this world but this message started spreading like wild fire. The institution of Church fixed the day of doom also and proclaimed the reincarnation of Jesus Christ on earth and declared: only that person shall be able to book entry to heaven who is a member of the church. This opened a race for registration as a church member and within a short span church turned into an institution of mammoth wealth and power. Church priest and custodians of Christianity became slaves of comfort and leisure like Indian gurus (spiritual masters) of the present day. On the other front, religious revolution perpetuated in Christian religion, affected polity of the world and started showing impact on social and economic set up. This resulted in many religion battles and different strategies, ethical or non-ethical, were adopted for propagation of imperialism. Slowly and slowly Christian religion spread its wings to such an extent that Sun never set in their empire .Even on date number of followers of Christianity is the highest among all the religions. Hence, before we discuss “Heaven on Earth”, it is important to know the original character of Christian religion, without analyzing the conscience of this religion it would not be possible and fair to know whether laying the foundation of kingdom of God can even be thought of in the prevailing and never ending diversity in religion, politics and human nature. It is important for both believers and non-believers to first understand true form of religion and spiritualism before we proceed further.

Since initial times, some doubts crept into the mind of followers of Christianity which created unusual situation in front of the Church fathers. When Emperor Constantine declared it the religion of the State and appointed the priests to high positions, people started doubting if Jesus Christ was really an angel Of God or he was an ordinary man?

...

If we seek to establish true peace in this world, every one of us shall have to lift himself above the faith in impersonal image of God. Especially in Christian religion, Jesus is worshiped as an individual God, the results of which have not been encouraging. In Islam Allah is not worshiped as an individual but like Christians Islam also maintains supremacy of Koran and Hazrat’s teachings. They categorically reject possibility of any experience or philosophy of God beyond this. Unlimited has been made limited and He is measured with words and wisdom of man, where as to understand God’s divinity human wisdom and knowledge are very limited and equal to nothing. Man can presume God’s stature according to his wisdom only. How he can go beyond the limits of his thinking? How a man having boundaries to his wisdom can make a guess regarding Eternal? It is just impossible.

...

Only that religion can be the religion of God which attracts all of its inhabitants (living or non-living) without any disparity and that is the religion of Love and compassion (Dharam-e-Seena; religion of heart).  True love has no limits and boundaries; therefore it can reach the limitless and inaccessible. It never puts the shackles of bondage in the feet of his beloved but always sets him free; hence, it can be the most potent means of delivering the ulterior goal of freedom. No knowledge is required to learn the basics of love as it is the quintessence of each and every atom and creature. Thus, love is the only cosmic religion which is recognized by the whole universe and its inhabitants. It becomes supreme Bliss when we adopt the path self-giving which is the result of true love. 


Hence, path of love (self-giving) and the adoration and craving of impersonal God are the key treasures which can lead the humanity in the making of ‘Heaven on Earth’. Without making use of these treasures, the dream will remain a utopia and conjecture.  
 


Radhasoami    
   
                 THANKS FOR GIVEN TIME TO READ &amp; FOR MORE PLZ CONTACT ON jasdeep_sindhu@yahoo.com &amp; PLZ VISIT www.radhasoamitaradham.com ABOUT WEBSITE PLZ CONTACT ON hariomkvk@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heaven on Earth</p>
<p>        Thousands years ago Vedic Rishis (sages) had dreamt of peace, order and co-existence of all the living creatures not only on earth but in whole universe. In times to come king Aggrasain made it to happen in his rule and laid foundation of a prosperous and progressive empire where no one was in sufferings; all the citizens used to help each other. This kingdom was a unique example of spiritual socialism. In the west message of “KINGDOM OF GOD ON EARTH” became strong voice of common man on the advent of Jesus Christ. In a very short period it became an eye-sore of the then emperor when this Message started taking swing as a movement. It became a fear of the emperor. The emperor started thinking that this man has become a threat to his empire and he should not be allowed to remain alive. The Emperor ordered for his crucifixion. Jesus Christ left this world but this message started spreading like wild fire. The institution of Church fixed the day of doom also and proclaimed the reincarnation of Jesus Christ on earth and declared: only that person shall be able to book entry to heaven who is a member of the church. This opened a race for registration as a church member and within a short span church turned into an institution of mammoth wealth and power. Church priest and custodians of Christianity became slaves of comfort and leisure like Indian gurus (spiritual masters) of the present day. On the other front, religious revolution perpetuated in Christian religion, affected polity of the world and started showing impact on social and economic set up. This resulted in many religion battles and different strategies, ethical or non-ethical, were adopted for propagation of imperialism. Slowly and slowly Christian religion spread its wings to such an extent that Sun never set in their empire .Even on date number of followers of Christianity is the highest among all the religions. Hence, before we discuss “Heaven on Earth”, it is important to know the original character of Christian religion, without analyzing the conscience of this religion it would not be possible and fair to know whether laying the foundation of kingdom of God can even be thought of in the prevailing and never ending diversity in religion, politics and human nature. It is important for both believers and non-believers to first understand true form of religion and spiritualism before we proceed further.</p>
<p>Since initial times, some doubts crept into the mind of followers of Christianity which created unusual situation in front of the Church fathers. When Emperor Constantine declared it the religion of the State and appointed the priests to high positions, people started doubting if Jesus Christ was really an angel Of God or he was an ordinary man?</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>If we seek to establish true peace in this world, every one of us shall have to lift himself above the faith in impersonal image of God. Especially in Christian religion, Jesus is worshiped as an individual God, the results of which have not been encouraging. In Islam Allah is not worshiped as an individual but like Christians Islam also maintains supremacy of Koran and Hazrat’s teachings. They categorically reject possibility of any experience or philosophy of God beyond this. Unlimited has been made limited and He is measured with words and wisdom of man, where as to understand God’s divinity human wisdom and knowledge are very limited and equal to nothing. Man can presume God’s stature according to his wisdom only. How he can go beyond the limits of his thinking? How a man having boundaries to his wisdom can make a guess regarding Eternal? It is just impossible.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Only that religion can be the religion of God which attracts all of its inhabitants (living or non-living) without any disparity and that is the religion of Love and compassion (Dharam-e-Seena; religion of heart).  True love has no limits and boundaries; therefore it can reach the limitless and inaccessible. It never puts the shackles of bondage in the feet of his beloved but always sets him free; hence, it can be the most potent means of delivering the ulterior goal of freedom. No knowledge is required to learn the basics of love as it is the quintessence of each and every atom and creature. Thus, love is the only cosmic religion which is recognized by the whole universe and its inhabitants. It becomes supreme Bliss when we adopt the path self-giving which is the result of true love. </p>
<p>Hence, path of love (self-giving) and the adoration and craving of impersonal God are the key treasures which can lead the humanity in the making of ‘Heaven on Earth’. Without making use of these treasures, the dream will remain a utopia and conjecture.  </p>
<p>Radhasoami    </p>
<p>                 THANKS FOR GIVEN TIME TO READ &amp; FOR MORE PLZ CONTACT ON <a href="mailto:&#x6a;&#x61;&#x73;&#x64;&#x65;&#x65;&#x70;&#x5f;&#x73;&#x69;&#x6e;&#x64;&#x68;&#x75;&#x40;&#x79;&#x61;&#x68;&#x6f;&#x6f;&#x2e;&#x63;&#x6f;&#x6d;"><span class="oe_textdirection">&#x6d;&#x6f;&#x63;&#x2e;&#x6f;&#x6f;&#x68;&#x61;&#x79;<span class="oe_displaynone">null</span>&#x40;&#x75;&#x68;&#x64;&#x6e;&#x69;&#x73;&#x5f;&#x70;&#x65;&#x65;&#x64;&#x73;&#x61;&#x6a;</span></a> &amp; PLZ VISIT <a href="http://www.radhasoamitaradham.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.radhasoamitaradham.com</a> ABOUT WEBSITE PLZ CONTACT ON <a href="mailto:&#x68;&#x61;&#x72;&#x69;&#x6f;&#x6d;&#x6b;&#x76;&#x6b;&#x40;&#x67;&#x6d;&#x61;&#x69;&#x6c;&#x2e;&#x63;&#x6f;&#x6d;"><span class="oe_textdirection">&#x6d;&#x6f;&#x63;&#x2e;&#x6c;&#x69;&#x61;&#x6d;&#x67;<span class="oe_displaynone">null</span>&#x40;&#x6b;&#x76;&#x6b;&#x6d;&#x6f;&#x69;&#x72;&#x61;&#x68;</span></a></p>
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		<title>By: AaronG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AaronG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comments by Patrick  (aka Gamaliel) above.

Lee, from your short bio I can assume that, to use an analogy,  you were a heavy smoker for 14 years, did some research and discovered that smoking is a killer and now you&#039;re trying to warn others about the dangers. These are noble intentions, but don&#039;t get too worked up about it. Spending all your time telling people NOT to follow Christ would seem as time-consuming as telling people TO follow him. People can make their own (informed) minds up, just like smoking.

Patrick above (and Gamaliel in the Jewish Sanhedrin) said it best - if it&#039;s a man-made fraud, don&#039;t fight it since it will soon die out (spoken 2000 years ago). And if it&#039;s from God then don&#039;t fight it. Either way, don&#039;t fight it.................just make sure you&#039;re happy with the result of your individual choice.

Time will reveal the fraud.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments by Patrick  (aka Gamaliel) above.</p>
<p>Lee, from your short bio I can assume that, to use an analogy,  you were a heavy smoker for 14 years, did some research and discovered that smoking is a killer and now you&#8217;re trying to warn others about the dangers. These are noble intentions, but don&#8217;t get too worked up about it. Spending all your time telling people NOT to follow Christ would seem as time-consuming as telling people TO follow him. People can make their own (informed) minds up, just like smoking.</p>
<p>Patrick above (and Gamaliel in the Jewish Sanhedrin) said it best &#8211; if it&#8217;s a man-made fraud, don&#8217;t fight it since it will soon die out (spoken 2000 years ago). And if it&#8217;s from God then don&#8217;t fight it. Either way, don&#8217;t fight it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..just make sure you&#8217;re happy with the result of your individual choice.</p>
<p>Time will reveal the fraud&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very learned and it makes a nice change from the  endless Obama, Clinton and McCain articles!</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often think that it doesn&#039;t really matter whether or not Jesus really existed or if he did, whether he was just a great prophet, as the Muslims believe. What matters is the love ideology he preached which Catholics, to speak only of what I know, would say can be derived for the natural moral law, i.e. the rules of conduct which we can derive from a rational analysis of our existence. No hocus-pocus there! No mere &quot;faith&quot;. Just common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often think that it doesn&#8217;t really matter whether or not Jesus really existed or if he did, whether he was just a great prophet, as the Muslims believe. What matters is the love ideology he preached which Catholics, to speak only of what I know, would say can be derived for the natural moral law, i.e. the rules of conduct which we can derive from a rational analysis of our existence. No hocus-pocus there! No mere &#8220;faith&#8221;. Just common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick McClellan</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/happy-easter-but-does-the-historical-evidence-confirm-a-historical-jesus-of-nazareth-resurrected-from-the-dead-or-does-it-suggest-just-another-mythical-savior-god-story/#comment-16953</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick McClellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I understand what Lee is communicating, in a nutshell: since there is not much secular info regarding Jesus (at least none that we can trust), he must be a fake. 

This doesn’t sound to me like a reason to base ones “lack-of-faith” on. Wouldn’t it be wiser to go with the testimonies of those around him (like Matthew, Mark and John), as well as the evidence that primarily all of Jesus’ followers died a martyrs death? I suggest that you take an old Jewish sages advice, Gamaliel, as recorded by Luke: 

“Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to naught. After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.” 
(Act 5:34-39)

So, Lee, the Good News is, don’t worry about it; if Jesus of Nazareth is a charlatan (like so many others), it will just come to naught. Also, please heed his warning that you very well be fighting against God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I understand what Lee is communicating, in a nutshell: since there is not much secular info regarding Jesus (at least none that we can trust), he must be a fake. </p>
<p>This doesn’t sound to me like a reason to base ones “lack-of-faith” on. Wouldn’t it be wiser to go with the testimonies of those around him (like Matthew, Mark and John), as well as the evidence that primarily all of Jesus’ followers died a martyrs death? I suggest that you take an old Jewish sages advice, Gamaliel, as recorded by Luke: </p>
<p>“Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men. For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to naught. After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.”<br />
(Act 5:34-39)</p>
<p>So, Lee, the Good News is, don’t worry about it; if Jesus of Nazareth is a charlatan (like so many others), it will just come to naught. Also, please heed his warning that you very well be fighting against God.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/happy-easter-but-does-the-historical-evidence-confirm-a-historical-jesus-of-nazareth-resurrected-from-the-dead-or-does-it-suggest-just-another-mythical-savior-god-story/#comment-16952</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well then lets start at the beginning, after all it is Judeo/Christian, isn&#039;t it
Does this mean you guys will start going after Yahweh, or is this biting off a little more than you all can chew?
I suggest a report on Biblical archeology fraud.
For starters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then lets start at the beginning, after all it is Judeo/Christian, isn&#8217;t it<br />
Does this mean you guys will start going after Yahweh, or is this biting off a little more than you all can chew?<br />
I suggest a report on Biblical archeology fraud.<br />
For starters.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Sheffer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/happy-easter-but-does-the-historical-evidence-confirm-a-historical-jesus-of-nazareth-resurrected-from-the-dead-or-does-it-suggest-just-another-mythical-savior-god-story/#comment-16947</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney Sheffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This scholarly, well researched and eminently readable essay by Lee Salisbury is characteristic of his skills and knowledge base. Few have his erudition and acumen for explication of this topic. While this will find wide dissemination it is too bad that those who most need to give this piece serious consideration will probably not even read it. Such is the nature of the closed minds of believers. The ball is rolling however, and more and more people are coming to grips with  the reality that the Christian scheme of things is a story based entirely on fiction, fraud and forgery. We need to stop lying to our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This scholarly, well researched and eminently readable essay by Lee Salisbury is characteristic of his skills and knowledge base. Few have his erudition and acumen for explication of this topic. While this will find wide dissemination it is too bad that those who most need to give this piece serious consideration will probably not even read it. Such is the nature of the closed minds of believers. The ball is rolling however, and more and more people are coming to grips with  the reality that the Christian scheme of things is a story based entirely on fiction, fraud and forgery. We need to stop lying to our children.</p>
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