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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-17101</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.&quot;
H. L. Mencken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.&#8221;<br />
H. L. Mencken</p>
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		<title>By: HR</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16882</link>
		<dc:creator>HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lloyd, voting for Nader or McKinney is beginning to a way out, provided enough people cast  such votes.  That, and not voting for corporate candidates for &quot;congressional&quot; seats.  Trouble is, the U.S. herd won&#039;t do that, choosing instead to vote for whatever crap the corporate party (and the Chamber of Commerce) shovels into its trough, at all levels of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lloyd, voting for Nader or McKinney is beginning to a way out, provided enough people cast  such votes.  That, and not voting for corporate candidates for &#8220;congressional&#8221; seats.  Trouble is, the U.S. herd won&#8217;t do that, choosing instead to vote for whatever crap the corporate party (and the Chamber of Commerce) shovels into its trough, at all levels of government.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McNiven</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16865</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McNiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 06:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr.Phillips, somehow, by accident?, you did not mention imperialism and zionism! The world is tired of the US sponsorship of those two!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr.Phillips, somehow, by accident?, you did not mention imperialism and zionism! The world is tired of the US sponsorship of those two!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16863</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve had your chance but sadly you chose not to take it.

The outcome of this election is as irrelevant to democracy as the American public is that ultimately doesn&#039;t care about the subjugation of its basic rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve had your chance but sadly you chose not to take it.</p>
<p>The outcome of this election is as irrelevant to democracy as the American public is that ultimately doesn&#8217;t care about the subjugation of its basic rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Mowrey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16843</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Mowrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Short, sweet and to the point. If you are voting in 08, you are a part of the problem, not a part of the solution. A massive march on Washington D.C. and the nerve centers of the corporate media in New York City on election day are our only hope for the future of this planet. In other words, there is no hope. The American sheeple have no clue and will line up at the electoral slaughterhouse in November as per usual. Baahh, baahhh, baahh. We are doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short, sweet and to the point. If you are voting in 08, you are a part of the problem, not a part of the solution. A massive march on Washington D.C. and the nerve centers of the corporate media in New York City on election day are our only hope for the future of this planet. In other words, there is no hope. The American sheeple have no clue and will line up at the electoral slaughterhouse in November as per usual. Baahh, baahhh, baahh. We are doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry D. Rose</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16839</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry D. Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very glad to see the dialogue continuing in these posts and only hope that some more folks with valuable viewpoints will jump on to join the several of us who are multiple-posters on the site. Thank you, Dissident Voice, for making this so easy to happen.

In speaking of &quot;lighting a candle&quot; I wasn&#039;t thinking of a powerful flashlight which would show an easy way out of our political darkness.  I only meant to contrast our faltering efforts to find our way with those, like Sam from Progressive View who offer little hope beyond the possibility of a confluence of calamitous events (all too probable I fear) and a charismatic leader, for  both of which conditions we must wait in the dark until we are rescued by these external factors, and I just think there is more room for the left movement to MOVE politically, with all our notorious inability to unite efforts in a single direction.  I do want to comment on those who dismiss McKinney in particular as an alternative; isn&#039;t it a bit early for us to pre-emptively say no to a candidate who is not yet and may not be a candidate if the Greens don&#039;t nominate her?  To be &quot;pragmatic&quot; about it (apart from the strength of her progressive agenda): when he are today, lamentably, engaged in &quot;identity politics&quot; in which half of Democrats want to support a woman and another half (blacks and white liberals) want to support a black for President, how about if we &quot;compromise&quot; and nominate a black woman? (making history doubly; wouldn&#039;t the sensation-mongering media love that?) 

But back to Sam&#039;s perspective: if Naomi Wolf is right (and I think she is), we are far closer to a global meltdown financially, environmentally and militarily than we yet have any idea; so the enabling condition of &quot;external&quot; calamity that will be necessary to precipitate a change is at hand; and no election of a McCain, Obama or Clinton that leaves us with a presidency beholden to the corporate forces which are the only ones benefitting from these disasters, is going to staunch the wounds that we are about to receive.  I&#039;m all for &quot;building a movement&quot; as many advocate; but an active political campaign in this season can only promote that building, and give us a candle light of at least of a start on a post &quot;katrina&quot; re-building of the world that is about to the destroyed. (My mother didn&#039;t name me Jerry for nothing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very glad to see the dialogue continuing in these posts and only hope that some more folks with valuable viewpoints will jump on to join the several of us who are multiple-posters on the site. Thank you, Dissident Voice, for making this so easy to happen.</p>
<p>In speaking of &#8220;lighting a candle&#8221; I wasn&#8217;t thinking of a powerful flashlight which would show an easy way out of our political darkness.  I only meant to contrast our faltering efforts to find our way with those, like Sam from Progressive View who offer little hope beyond the possibility of a confluence of calamitous events (all too probable I fear) and a charismatic leader, for  both of which conditions we must wait in the dark until we are rescued by these external factors, and I just think there is more room for the left movement to MOVE politically, with all our notorious inability to unite efforts in a single direction.  I do want to comment on those who dismiss McKinney in particular as an alternative; isn&#8217;t it a bit early for us to pre-emptively say no to a candidate who is not yet and may not be a candidate if the Greens don&#8217;t nominate her?  To be &#8220;pragmatic&#8221; about it (apart from the strength of her progressive agenda): when he are today, lamentably, engaged in &#8220;identity politics&#8221; in which half of Democrats want to support a woman and another half (blacks and white liberals) want to support a black for President, how about if we &#8220;compromise&#8221; and nominate a black woman? (making history doubly; wouldn&#8217;t the sensation-mongering media love that?) </p>
<p>But back to Sam&#8217;s perspective: if Naomi Wolf is right (and I think she is), we are far closer to a global meltdown financially, environmentally and militarily than we yet have any idea; so the enabling condition of &#8220;external&#8221; calamity that will be necessary to precipitate a change is at hand; and no election of a McCain, Obama or Clinton that leaves us with a presidency beholden to the corporate forces which are the only ones benefitting from these disasters, is going to staunch the wounds that we are about to receive.  I&#8217;m all for &#8220;building a movement&#8221; as many advocate; but an active political campaign in this season can only promote that building, and give us a candle light of at least of a start on a post &#8220;katrina&#8221; re-building of the world that is about to the destroyed. (My mother didn&#8217;t name me Jerry for nothing).</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16831</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A blind Martian could see the ONLY choice is Ron Paul, but obviously idealism trumps realism in the minds of the dreamers.&lt;/i&gt;

LOL.  Very astute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A blind Martian could see the ONLY choice is Ron Paul, but obviously idealism trumps realism in the minds of the dreamers.</i></p>
<p>LOL.  Very astute.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16828</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A blind Martian could see the ONLY choice is Ron Paul, but obviously idealism trumps realism in the minds of the dreamers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A blind Martian could see the ONLY choice is Ron Paul, but obviously idealism trumps realism in the minds of the dreamers.</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16827</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the women and abortion.
The so-called left will watch the whole thing go up in smoke rather than give up on their &quot;pet&quot; position(s).
Like the super rich who will lose it all for fear of losing a part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the women and abortion.<br />
The so-called left will watch the whole thing go up in smoke rather than give up on their &#8220;pet&#8221; position(s).<br />
Like the super rich who will lose it all for fear of losing a part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16825</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giorgio you are right about Ron Paul&#039;s position on the war and in general his position toward U.S. imperial interventionism.  However the reason why the &quot;left&quot; was concerned about Paul has to do with his economic programs that many people feared would harm most especially the poor and people of color.

There were members of the left who supported Paul due to his anti-war position and was will to take the risk of fighting Paul&#039;s economic plan and it caused a great deal of consternation.  

Both factions are weak and many Americans are confused and  distrusting of labels.   But IMO I think the left has to really working on developing some cohesion first and be willing to engage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giorgio you are right about Ron Paul&#8217;s position on the war and in general his position toward U.S. imperial interventionism.  However the reason why the &#8220;left&#8221; was concerned about Paul has to do with his economic programs that many people feared would harm most especially the poor and people of color.</p>
<p>There were members of the left who supported Paul due to his anti-war position and was will to take the risk of fighting Paul&#8217;s economic plan and it caused a great deal of consternation.  </p>
<p>Both factions are weak and many Americans are confused and  distrusting of labels.   But IMO I think the left has to really working on developing some cohesion first and be willing to engage.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16824</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m much more inclined to the view of Eli Stephens whom Smith (tries to) criticize, that every vote for an independent candidate is a voice in opposition to the constraints of a supposedly two-party system that is in fact one party with two branches.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree with you about voting for Nader.  However, and let&#039;s face reality.  In 2004, the &quot;left&quot; did everything they could to not coalesce behind him. They went for the &quot;Anybody but Bush/Safe State/Blame Nader&quot; strategy.  

This year both Nader and McKinney essentially neutralizes the impact of each other.  It would have been preferable for them to coalesce into one ticket to make their message stronger and their respective numbers meaningful.

Also the Obama factor has captured interest of people of color and other &quot;progressives&quot; who would perhaps consider McKinney.

To me the issue is voting.  The issue is cohesion and consolidation of the progressive voices such as Nader and McKinney.  The fact that Nader decided to run outside of the Green Party demonstrates their internal weakness.  A weakness that I don&#039;t see McKinney overcoming.

Therefore there is a huge vacuum on the left and while I don&#039;t necessarily disagree with your perspective or that of the author I think there needs to be some discussion as to the state of the &quot;left&quot; and why the left could not build upon the energy and activism that occurred in 2003-2004.  IMO, understanding what is wrong will help find solution to the current crisis on the left.

My take is that should Obama win the Democratic Party nomination this will set the left back.  It will certainly create confusion and conflict with people of color who is especially necessary to building a solid left.

&lt;i&gt;I get the feeling that they would rather curse the darkness than find a way out. Say it ain’t so, folks!&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think that people are &quot;cursing the darkness&quot; but in order to know which direction to take in order to find the light you need to know where you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m much more inclined to the view of Eli Stephens whom Smith (tries to) criticize, that every vote for an independent candidate is a voice in opposition to the constraints of a supposedly two-party system that is in fact one party with two branches.</i></p>
<p>I agree with you about voting for Nader.  However, and let&#8217;s face reality.  In 2004, the &#8220;left&#8221; did everything they could to not coalesce behind him. They went for the &#8220;Anybody but Bush/Safe State/Blame Nader&#8221; strategy.  </p>
<p>This year both Nader and McKinney essentially neutralizes the impact of each other.  It would have been preferable for them to coalesce into one ticket to make their message stronger and their respective numbers meaningful.</p>
<p>Also the Obama factor has captured interest of people of color and other &#8220;progressives&#8221; who would perhaps consider McKinney.</p>
<p>To me the issue is voting.  The issue is cohesion and consolidation of the progressive voices such as Nader and McKinney.  The fact that Nader decided to run outside of the Green Party demonstrates their internal weakness.  A weakness that I don&#8217;t see McKinney overcoming.</p>
<p>Therefore there is a huge vacuum on the left and while I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree with your perspective or that of the author I think there needs to be some discussion as to the state of the &#8220;left&#8221; and why the left could not build upon the energy and activism that occurred in 2003-2004.  IMO, understanding what is wrong will help find solution to the current crisis on the left.</p>
<p>My take is that should Obama win the Democratic Party nomination this will set the left back.  It will certainly create confusion and conflict with people of color who is especially necessary to building a solid left.</p>
<p><i>I get the feeling that they would rather curse the darkness than find a way out. Say it ain’t so, folks!</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that people are &#8220;cursing the darkness&#8221; but in order to know which direction to take in order to find the light you need to know where you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Giorgio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16821</link>
		<dc:creator>Giorgio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to all the introductory questions is, of course, a resounding : NO
But do you really know why?
I will tell you why, and it&#039;s simply this:
The American Left, call them Liberals, Progressives, whatever, ARE as blind as BATS ! And they so enamoured with their stale Idealisms that they can&#039;t see a good thing even if it&#039;s there in front of their noses staring at their faces....
There is only ONE candidate in this current presidential fanfare that would turn most, if not ALL, of those questions into a resounding YES!
Do you know why the Left does not care about him?
IT&#039;S BECAUSE HE JUST HAPPENS TO BE A REPUBLICAN !  A BOGUS !!!
An ostracised Republican, at best, shunned by the cowardly media and even denied access to the debates... 
Of course you know now: it&#039;s RON PAUL ! 
A man of principles and integrity. When last did you  see a presidential candidate with such impeccable credentials?
The truth is that even with the Left&#039;s support he will never be nominated because of  the rigged electoral process.
But as Ron Paul has stated: elections are short term events...
Whereas REVOLUTIONS are a long term process. Being a realist, he&#039;s focussing more on the latter!  GOOD LUCK to this great medical doctor!
He&#039;s delivered over 4000 babies in his long medical career, may he now DELIVER US FROM THE EVIL  of such warmongering perverts as Bush, &#039;that Woman&#039;, Obama, McCain, etcetera, etcetera, etc.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to all the introductory questions is, of course, a resounding : NO<br />
But do you really know why?<br />
I will tell you why, and it&#8217;s simply this:<br />
The American Left, call them Liberals, Progressives, whatever, ARE as blind as BATS ! And they so enamoured with their stale Idealisms that they can&#8217;t see a good thing even if it&#8217;s there in front of their noses staring at their faces&#8230;.<br />
There is only ONE candidate in this current presidential fanfare that would turn most, if not ALL, of those questions into a resounding YES!<br />
Do you know why the Left does not care about him?<br />
IT&#8217;S BECAUSE HE JUST HAPPENS TO BE A REPUBLICAN !  A BOGUS !!!<br />
An ostracised Republican, at best, shunned by the cowardly media and even denied access to the debates&#8230;<br />
Of course you know now: it&#8217;s RON PAUL !<br />
A man of principles and integrity. When last did you  see a presidential candidate with such impeccable credentials?<br />
The truth is that even with the Left&#8217;s support he will never be nominated because of  the rigged electoral process.<br />
But as Ron Paul has stated: elections are short term events&#8230;<br />
Whereas REVOLUTIONS are a long term process. Being a realist, he&#8217;s focussing more on the latter!  GOOD LUCK to this great medical doctor!<br />
He&#8217;s delivered over 4000 babies in his long medical career, may he now DELIVER US FROM THE EVIL  of such warmongering perverts as Bush, &#8216;that Woman&#8217;, Obama, McCain, etcetera, etcetera, etc&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16817</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the article:

The Poverty of the Presidential Campaign

which is located at:

http://www.pscelebrities.com/whitelightblacklight/2008/03/poverty-of-presidential-campaign.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the article:</p>
<p>The Poverty of the Presidential Campaign</p>
<p>which is located at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pscelebrities.com/whitelightblacklight/2008/03/poverty-of-presidential-campaign.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.pscelebrities.com/whitelightblacklight/2008/03/poverty-of-presidential-campaign.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16816</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JDR.  Phillips, you and HR have tried to find a way out?  I don&#039;t read any &quot;way out&quot; in Phillips&#039; article or in your posts.  Any more than I read a way out at:

http://www.pscelebrities.com/whitelightblacklight/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JDR.  Phillips, you and HR have tried to find a way out?  I don&#8217;t read any &#8220;way out&#8221; in Phillips&#8217; article or in your posts.  Any more than I read a way out at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pscelebrities.com/whitelightblacklight/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pscelebrities.com/whitelightblacklight/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jerry D. Rose</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16815</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry D. Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Phillips has shown us the darkness of our political night and HR and I have tried to light a candle toward finding a way out.  With some of the posters on this thread I get the feeling that they would rather curse the darkness than find a way out.  Say it ain&#039;t so, folks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Phillips has shown us the darkness of our political night and HR and I have tried to light a candle toward finding a way out.  With some of the posters on this thread I get the feeling that they would rather curse the darkness than find a way out.  Say it ain&#8217;t so, folks!</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16812</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the author writes is all true but missing from his great observation is how to ENGAGE the masses and how to motivate the masses.  The &quot;left&quot; missed a great opportunity in 2003-2004 to engage people who were against the war to coalesce this movement.  At that time even Noam Chomsky stated that the next great force in the world was the people as they came out in great numbers against the war.  Then why did the &quot;left&quot; fail at that great moment.   I&#039;ve given my perspective on this and I&#039;m sure there are other perspectives.  But the &quot;left&#039;s&quot; failure created the vacuum that is now being filled by what we are seeing this year.  The &quot;Obamamania&quot; especially is the residual effect of the &quot;left&#039;s&quot; failure.  I&#039;m not sure what it will take to get the public attention and the kind of energy and action among the public like we saw in 2003-2004.   

In the U.S. IMO there is no &quot;working class&quot;.  It seem that people like Nader and McKinney are on the &quot;fringes&quot;.  They are not &quot;radicals&quot; by any means.  However their ideas IMO doesn&#039;t seem to have any connection among even with a significant portion of the population.  The population seems to be stuck between the two parties and IMO the only solution for the &quot;left&quot; right now is for the Democratic Party to implode by nominating Hillary Clinton or for McCain to win the general election.

But that again is rather reactive than proactive but I just don&#039;t see any traction on the &quot;left&quot; right now to make the kind of difference that the author talks about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the author writes is all true but missing from his great observation is how to ENGAGE the masses and how to motivate the masses.  The &#8220;left&#8221; missed a great opportunity in 2003-2004 to engage people who were against the war to coalesce this movement.  At that time even Noam Chomsky stated that the next great force in the world was the people as they came out in great numbers against the war.  Then why did the &#8220;left&#8221; fail at that great moment.   I&#8217;ve given my perspective on this and I&#8217;m sure there are other perspectives.  But the &#8220;left&#8217;s&#8221; failure created the vacuum that is now being filled by what we are seeing this year.  The &#8220;Obamamania&#8221; especially is the residual effect of the &#8220;left&#8217;s&#8221; failure.  I&#8217;m not sure what it will take to get the public attention and the kind of energy and action among the public like we saw in 2003-2004.   </p>
<p>In the U.S. IMO there is no &#8220;working class&#8221;.  It seem that people like Nader and McKinney are on the &#8220;fringes&#8221;.  They are not &#8220;radicals&#8221; by any means.  However their ideas IMO doesn&#8217;t seem to have any connection among even with a significant portion of the population.  The population seems to be stuck between the two parties and IMO the only solution for the &#8220;left&#8221; right now is for the Democratic Party to implode by nominating Hillary Clinton or for McCain to win the general election.</p>
<p>But that again is rather reactive than proactive but I just don&#8217;t see any traction on the &#8220;left&#8221; right now to make the kind of difference that the author talks about.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16790</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fascinating  article and commentary.  And what, pray tell would replace this corrupt system.  Worse tyranny and suffering, I&#039;m afraid,  if many of the ideas expressed here were implemented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fascinating  article and commentary.  And what, pray tell would replace this corrupt system.  Worse tyranny and suffering, I&#8217;m afraid,  if many of the ideas expressed here were implemented.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16786</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, JDR.  But I suggest you search on Marcelle Cendrars in the DV search box at the top.  She and others, border-line-anarchists if that&#039;s not being flippant, are aiming at winning the Cal gubnatorial race in 2010, precisely by a strategy that motivates-by-encouraging-armchair-activists, musicians, and artists, although that characterization iss doubtless a slight oversimplification.  

To the best of my knowledge, Marcelle and friends are presently decamped somewhere in Italy.  Trading a country that has neither awareness nor shame for a country that accepts corruption and political murder with quiet resignation, if not pride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, JDR.  But I suggest you search on Marcelle Cendrars in the DV search box at the top.  She and others, border-line-anarchists if that&#8217;s not being flippant, are aiming at winning the Cal gubnatorial race in 2010, precisely by a strategy that motivates-by-encouraging-armchair-activists, musicians, and artists, although that characterization iss doubtless a slight oversimplification.  </p>
<p>To the best of my knowledge, Marcelle and friends are presently decamped somewhere in Italy.  Trading a country that has neither awareness nor shame for a country that accepts corruption and political murder with quiet resignation, if not pride.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry D. Rose</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16783</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry D. Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lloyd Rowsey (first post on this thread).  I&#039;ve read with interest your link to the piece by Sam Smith over at the Progressive Review and I find it to be all-too-common cop-out for those reluctant to take any kind of political action in the face of the power of the Corporacratic Party to throw up candidates of &quot;lesser and more-er evil&quot; between which voters are forced to choose.  To say, as does Smith, that a candidate like Nader who gets a half percent of the presidential vote somehow &quot;legitimizes&quot; the system that produced that miniscule support for an independent candidate, is to employ a reasoning that escapes my limited understanding.  I&#039;m much more inclined to the view of Eli Stephens whom Smith (tries to) criticize, that every vote for an independent candidate is a voice in opposition to the constraints of a supposedly two-party system that is in fact one party with two branches.  To advocate, as Smith seems to do, that those dissatisfied with the system simply stay home, not vote and perhaps work on reforms of the &quot;social realities&quot; of our country, is to discourage whatever small voice of protest could begin to challenge that system. (Talk about &quot;legitimation!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lloyd Rowsey (first post on this thread).  I&#8217;ve read with interest your link to the piece by Sam Smith over at the Progressive Review and I find it to be all-too-common cop-out for those reluctant to take any kind of political action in the face of the power of the Corporacratic Party to throw up candidates of &#8220;lesser and more-er evil&#8221; between which voters are forced to choose.  To say, as does Smith, that a candidate like Nader who gets a half percent of the presidential vote somehow &#8220;legitimizes&#8221; the system that produced that miniscule support for an independent candidate, is to employ a reasoning that escapes my limited understanding.  I&#8217;m much more inclined to the view of Eli Stephens whom Smith (tries to) criticize, that every vote for an independent candidate is a voice in opposition to the constraints of a supposedly two-party system that is in fact one party with two branches.  To advocate, as Smith seems to do, that those dissatisfied with the system simply stay home, not vote and perhaps work on reforms of the &#8220;social realities&#8221; of our country, is to discourage whatever small voice of protest could begin to challenge that system. (Talk about &#8220;legitimation!)</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Rowsey</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/an-election-without-meaning/#comment-16775</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Rowsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOMELAND is priceless, Peter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOMELAND is priceless, Peter.</p>
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