Comments on: Academic Freedom? Not for Arabs in Israel http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:34:13 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: steve smith http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-36300 steve smith Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:02:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-36300 Generally I do not post on blogs, but I would like to say that this post really forced me to do so! really nice post. Generally I do not post on blogs, but I would like to say that this post really forced me to do so! really nice post.

]]> By: maryb http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15947 maryb Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:14:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15947 Jonathan - I was not criticizing you in any way - just commenting that we had both thought the name Jaime was inappropriate especially when loosely translated into French. Just want to compliment you on your articles and books and for being a much-needed voice for Palestine. I saw you on a video interview the other day which was very interesting, and noticed that you had left Buckinghamshire for Nazareth. Here I am in the UK, but previously from Buckinghamshire too, writing to you in Nazareth on an American website! Respect as you say. PS You are often mentioned on medialens incl.your recent letter to the Guardian. Jonathan – I was not criticizing you in any way – just commenting that we had both thought the name Jaime was inappropriate especially when loosely translated into French. Just want to compliment you on your articles and books and for being a much-needed voice for Palestine. I saw you on a video interview the other day which was very interesting, and noticed that you had left Buckinghamshire for Nazareth. Here I am in the UK, but previously from Buckinghamshire too, writing to you in Nazareth on an American website! Respect as you say. PS You are often mentioned on medialens incl.your recent letter to the Guardian.

]]> By: Jonathan http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15798 Jonathan Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:52:31 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15798 maryb, I am sorry if my comment seems like blatant plagiarism - I honestly did not see your comment of feb. 4th. Respect maryb, I am sorry if my comment seems like blatant plagiarism – I honestly did not see your comment of feb. 4th.
Respect

]]> By: maryb http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15731 maryb Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:36:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15731 Jonathan you're stealing my script there!. This is what I wrote on this website to our friend on February 4th. I have decided that he/she, if not fictional, is one of these Megaphone people www.giyus.org Then I was obviously replying to the usual vitriolic comment. Lately I don't rise to it because it just gives him an opportunity to continue the rant. maryb said on February 4th, 2008 at 11:32 am # j’aime = I love I don’t think you love anybody. You are misnamed because you are so full of hate and vitriol for the oppressed Palestinian people whose land was taken from them illegally by the Israelis. Any death which is unnatural or non-accidental must of course be regretted but please bear in mind that the mainstream media fed by the Zionist lobbies report events unevenly. Here in the UK all day on radio and TV broadcasts the BBC has given this awful incident a lot of prominence. However they rarely mention the daily raids on Gaza by Israeli aircraft, shelling, the use of thermo-baric missiles and illegal munitions and other incursions with the same emphasis. What is the difference between a suicide attack and a bomb dropped by an Israeli aircraft? The result(s) of both are the deaths of loved ones and the grief of those who live on. Jonathan you’re stealing my script there!. This is what I wrote on this website to our friend on February 4th. I have decided that he/she, if not fictional, is one of these Megaphone people http://www.giyus.org

Then I was obviously replying to the usual vitriolic comment. Lately I don’t rise to it because it just gives him an opportunity to continue the rant.

maryb said on February 4th, 2008 at 11:32 am #

j’aime = I love

I don’t think you love anybody. You are misnamed because you are so full of hate and vitriol for the oppressed Palestinian people whose land was taken from them illegally by the Israelis.

Any death which is unnatural or non-accidental must of course be regretted but please bear in mind that the mainstream media fed by the Zionist lobbies report events unevenly. Here in the UK all day on radio and TV broadcasts the BBC has given this awful incident a lot of prominence. However they rarely mention the daily raids on Gaza by Israeli aircraft, shelling, the use of thermo-baric missiles and illegal munitions and other incursions with the same emphasis. What is the difference between a suicide attack and a bomb dropped by an Israeli aircraft? The result(s) of both are the deaths of loved ones and the grief of those who live on.

]]> By: Jonathan http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15714 Jonathan Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:37:36 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15714 Jaime - J'aime - I love. It really is a sick joke. I am sorry but I cannot accept your rebuke as it does not to my mind offer any constructively rational counterargument to what I put forward. In addition it smacks of highly unpleasant jingoism. Good luck. Jaime – J’aime – I love. It really is a sick joke.
I am sorry but I cannot accept your rebuke as it does not to my mind offer any constructively rational counterargument to what I put forward. In addition it smacks of highly unpleasant jingoism.
Good luck.

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15683 Mulga Mumblebrain Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:22:34 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15683 The sheer racist brutality of the Zionists towards those putatively citizens of their odious state, can come as no surprise. No surprise as the evidence of the third-class nature of Arab 'citizenship' in Israel is voluminous. Ben-Gurion was reportedly furious that the ethnic cleansing of 1948 had not been fully implemented, despite numerous massacres and countless random killings. After all the Israelis only wanted at little lebensraum for their Herrenvolk, is that too much to ask, particularly when those being dispossessed are mere 'human dust'. The presence of Raphael Israeli in the list of Israeli racists has echoes here. This, in my opinion, detestable creature was invited here last year, whereupon he commenced peddling hate against Moslems, attacking local Moslems and even going so far as to attempt to incite fear and hatred of Indonesia, our nearest neighbour and world's largest Moslem nation. Even for a country where any criticism of any Zionist activity is met with a screaming chorus of 'anti-Semite', this was too much. Israeli was forced to make a grudging retraction. In the local Jewish community the reaction was different. Israeli was immediately invited to make even more talks to Jewish groups, and he was interviewed in sycophantic manner on the ABC's 'Religion Report', a local Zionist enterprise specialising in Islamophobia and philo-Semitism. The importation of Islamophobic hatemongers is a regular little cottage industry amongst sections of the local Jewish community, but Moslems of any ilk but the likes of Ayaan Hirshi Ali, face difficulties obtaining visas, and political and media harassment and vilification. The degree and depth of media bias towards Israel and against Moslems is as great here as anywhere else in the Zionist Empire. The sheer racist brutality of the Zionists towards those putatively citizens of their odious state, can come as no surprise. No surprise as the evidence of the third-class nature of Arab ‘citizenship’ in Israel is voluminous. Ben-Gurion was reportedly furious that the ethnic cleansing of 1948 had not been fully implemented, despite numerous massacres and countless random killings. After all the Israelis only wanted at little lebensraum for their Herrenvolk, is that too much to ask, particularly when those being dispossessed are mere ‘human dust’.
The presence of Raphael Israeli in the list of Israeli racists has echoes here. This, in my opinion, detestable creature was invited here last year, whereupon he commenced peddling hate against Moslems, attacking local Moslems and even going so far as to attempt to incite fear and hatred of Indonesia, our nearest neighbour and world’s largest Moslem nation. Even for a country where any criticism of any Zionist activity is met with a screaming chorus of ‘anti-Semite’, this was too much. Israeli was forced to make a grudging retraction.
In the local Jewish community the reaction was different. Israeli was immediately invited to make even more talks to Jewish groups, and he was interviewed in sycophantic manner on the ABC’s ‘Religion Report’, a local Zionist enterprise specialising in Islamophobia and philo-Semitism. The importation of Islamophobic hatemongers is a regular little cottage industry amongst sections of the local Jewish community, but Moslems of any ilk but the likes of Ayaan Hirshi Ali, face difficulties obtaining visas, and political and media harassment and vilification. The degree and depth of media bias towards Israel and against Moslems is as great here as anywhere else in the Zionist Empire.

]]> By: Ray Ralph http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15677 Ray Ralph Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:22:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15677 What genocide?" bleats the Ziofascist fanatic. I guess he has been rereading the Hamas Charter and cannot find it mentioned there, contrary to his earlier dishonest claim that is. I can't find it mentioned there either. What genocide?” bleats the Ziofascist fanatic. I guess he has been rereading the Hamas Charter and cannot find it mentioned there, contrary to his earlier dishonest claim that is. I can’t find it mentioned there either.

]]> By: jaime http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15676 jaime Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:11:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15676 What genocide? What genocide?

]]> By: Ray Ralph http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15674 Ray Ralph Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:55:06 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15674 The IDF is currently committing genocide in Gaza and the ridiculous and hypocritical little Ziofascist fanatic Jaime complains that Hamas has not rescinded their charter which he falsely claims "calls for genocidal bloodshed." I guess "calling for it" is worse than committing it. "They're fanatics," bleats Jaime with typical obtuseness. I guess it takes on to know one. The IDF is currently committing genocide in Gaza and the ridiculous and hypocritical little Ziofascist fanatic Jaime complains that Hamas has not rescinded their charter which he falsely claims “calls for genocidal bloodshed.” I guess “calling for it” is worse than committing it. “They’re fanatics,” bleats Jaime with typical obtuseness. I guess it takes on to know one.

]]> By: jaime http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15671 jaime Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:32:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15671 Jonathon wrote: "Hamas has made several attempts at dialogue but has been repeatedly denied any constructive diplomatic discourse." No they didn't. They've offered "ceasefires" and talked of "truces", but only when getting beaten up, or looking for a chance to re-load or reorganize for another attack. And there's no reason to believe that they were sincere gestures. The Hamas still hasn't rescinded their charter, which explicitly calls for genocidal bloodshed. They're fanatics. It's a bad situation. Jonathon wrote:

“Hamas has made several attempts at dialogue but has been repeatedly denied any constructive diplomatic discourse.”

No they didn’t. They’ve offered “ceasefires” and talked of “truces”, but only when getting beaten up, or looking for a chance to re-load or reorganize for another attack.

And there’s no reason to believe that they were sincere gestures.

The Hamas still hasn’t rescinded their charter, which explicitly calls for genocidal bloodshed.

They’re fanatics. It’s a bad situation.

]]> By: maryb http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15667 maryb Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:15:30 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15667 Our litle troll friend (that's my mental picture) is incorrect in his assertion that the UK is a Jewish state. They are working at it but are not quite there! Most of the judiciary are Jewish, as are politicians in national and local government (there are Friends of Israel lobby groups in the three main parties). Of course, the media and entertainment are well represented as is big business where the money lies and banking and finance. As globalisation develops, their links grow stronger so perhaps their plan for world domination might succeed. However there are good men and women true who will stand up against this power for the freedom of our children and theirs to come just as we stood up to the Third Reich. We have no intention of being subsumed by a Fourth Reich of whatever makeup. It is a war as you are showing us in Gaza and you will stop at nothing. Iraq and Afghanistan already know what it's like. Who's next ? Iran, because you need the oil and that's what upsets you. Put that in your pointy hat and smoke it. I have tried hard not to dislike you but you take the biscuit. Our litle troll friend (that’s my mental picture) is incorrect in his assertion that the UK is a Jewish state. They are working at it but are not quite there! Most of the judiciary are Jewish, as are politicians in national and local government (there are Friends of Israel lobby groups in the three main parties). Of course, the media and entertainment are well represented as is big business where the money lies and banking and finance. As globalisation develops, their links grow stronger so perhaps their plan for world domination might succeed. However there are good men and women true who will stand up against this power for the freedom of our children and theirs to come just as we stood up to the Third Reich. We have no intention of being subsumed by a Fourth Reich of whatever makeup. It is a war as you are showing us in Gaza and you will stop at nothing. Iraq and Afghanistan already know what it’s like. Who’s next ? Iran, because you need the oil and that’s what upsets you. Put that in your pointy hat and smoke it. I have tried hard not to dislike you but you take the biscuit.

]]> By: Jonathan http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15653 Jonathan Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:21:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15653 Jaime, I would sincerely like to believe that what you have written is just an extremely sick joke but I sense that that desire is merely a naive fantasy. Our shared membership to the human race makes me ashamed of the title homo sapiens. I don't know if there is any sense entering into a discourse with you as you display no evidence of capability for rational thought but nonetheless I would like to point out that by definition war is a conflict involving at least two sides. Furthermore, Hamas is a movement which started in response to Israeli occupation so neither did they start the war nor is it solely theirs. It may also be known to you that Hamas has made several attempts at dialogue but has been repeatedly denied any constructive diplomatic discourse. Jaime,
I would sincerely like to believe that what you have written is just an extremely sick joke but I sense that that desire is merely a naive fantasy. Our shared membership to the human race makes me ashamed of the title homo sapiens.
I don’t know if there is any sense entering into a discourse with you as you display no evidence of capability for rational thought but nonetheless I would like to point out that by definition war is a conflict involving at least two sides. Furthermore, Hamas is a movement which started in response to Israeli occupation so neither did they start the war nor is it solely theirs. It may also be known to you that Hamas has made several attempts at dialogue but has been repeatedly denied any constructive diplomatic discourse.

]]> By: jaime http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15617 jaime Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:33:38 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15617 Hey, it's the Palestinian's war. Or I should say Hamas' war. They started it. They can end it to. Hey, it’s the Palestinian’s war. Or I should say Hamas’ war. They started it. They can end it to.

]]> By: Ray Ralph http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15606 Ray Ralph Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:14:24 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15606 Actually, Jaime, you did miss one: PALESTINE! Oh,but I forgot, you Ziofascists deny that either Palestine or the Palestinians even exist. And after the Shoah ends and you have killed them all, I guess they won't exist. Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu (whose name will long be remembered in infamy along with Hitler and Himmler and Eichman) has called for the "carpet bombing" of Gaza "regardless of the price in Palestinian life." His bloodthirsty son Schmuel Eliyahu has proposed that the IDF should kill as many as a million Palestinians because of their "collective guilt" for the deeds of a few terrorists. After you Ziofascists have killed all the Palestinians (every last father, mother, child and baby of them), after your evil Shoah has ended, will you then deny that you did it? Will you become holocaust deniers? What horrors the wretched and evil Zionist enterprise has unleashed upon the world!!! The murderous rabbi quoted Psalms to justify his call for genocide: "I will pursue my enemies and apprehend them and I will not desist until I have eradicated them." You may find these quoatations in the May 30, 2007 Jerusalem Post: Matthew Wagner, "Eliyahu advocates carpet bombing Gaza." Actually, Jaime, you did miss one: PALESTINE! Oh,but I forgot, you Ziofascists deny that either Palestine or the Palestinians even exist. And after the Shoah ends and you have killed them all, I guess they won’t exist. Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu (whose name will long be remembered in infamy along with Hitler and Himmler and Eichman) has called for the “carpet bombing” of Gaza “regardless of the price in Palestinian life.” His bloodthirsty son Schmuel Eliyahu has proposed that the IDF should kill as many as a million Palestinians because of their “collective guilt” for the deeds of a few terrorists. After you Ziofascists have killed all the Palestinians (every last father, mother, child and baby of them), after your evil Shoah has ended, will you then deny that you did it? Will you become holocaust deniers? What horrors the wretched and evil Zionist enterprise has unleashed upon the world!!! The murderous rabbi quoted Psalms to justify his call for genocide: “I will pursue my enemies and apprehend them and I will not desist until I have eradicated them.” You may find these quoatations in the May 30, 2007 Jerusalem Post: Matthew Wagner, “Eliyahu advocates carpet bombing Gaza.”

]]> By: jaime http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15604 jaime Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:47:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15604 Ray wrote: "You might get ideas about stealing their land for the creation of yet another Jewish state. You already have Israel and the USofA." Almost correct. But thanks. Here's a more complete listing: Israel USA UK France Latvia Iceland Thailand Fiji Mauritania Turkey Morocco Canada New Zealand Australia Lesotho. Did I miss any? Ray wrote:

“You might get ideas about stealing their land for the creation of yet another Jewish state. You already have Israel and the USofA.”

Almost correct. But thanks.

Here’s a more complete listing:

Israel
USA
UK
France
Latvia
Iceland
Thailand
Fiji
Mauritania
Turkey
Morocco
Canada
New Zealand
Australia
Lesotho.

Did I miss any?

]]> By: Ray Ralph http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15602 Ray Ralph Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:53:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15602 Jaime, If Nizar Hassan would be much happier in Gaza or Libya, where would you be happier? Let me suggest the island of Tarawa in the South Pacific. There are few available computers there and sending you there for a few month would therefore give us DV readers a rest from your interminable Zionist bullshit! On the other hand, the residents of Tarawa are nice people and, like the Palestinians, they only have a limited amount of land. I guess I'm afraid to send a Zionist like you there. You might get ideas about stealing their land for the creation of yet another Jewish state. You already have Israel and the USofA. Keep your dirty bloodstained mitts off Tarawa!!! Jaime, If Nizar Hassan would be much happier in Gaza or Libya, where would you be happier? Let me suggest the island of Tarawa in the South Pacific. There are few available computers there and sending you there for a few month would therefore give us DV readers a rest from your interminable Zionist bullshit! On the other hand, the residents of Tarawa are nice people and, like the Palestinians, they only have a limited amount of land. I guess I’m afraid to send a Zionist like you there. You might get ideas about stealing their land for the creation of yet another Jewish state. You already have Israel and the USofA. Keep your dirty bloodstained mitts off Tarawa!!!

]]> By: sk http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15588 sk Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:50:37 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15588 Like their academic peers, "journalists and publishers see themselves as actors within the Zionist movement, not as critical outsiders." Here's a sampling of phrases used in their <a href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n05/mend01_.html" rel="nofollow">Orwellian</a> reportage: <blockquote> The Israeli army never intentionally kills anyone, let alone <i>murders</i> them--a state of affairs any other armed organisation would be envious of. Even when a one-ton bomb is dropped onto a dense residential area in Gaza, killing one gunman and 14 innocent civilians, including nine children, it's still not an intentional killing or <i>murder</i>: it is a <i>targeted assassination</i>. An Israeli journalist can say that IDF soldiers <i>hit</i> Palestinians, or <i>killed</i> them, or <i>killed them by mistake</i>, and that Palestinians <i>were hit</i>, or <i>were killed</i> or even <i>found their death</i> (as if they were looking for it), but <i>murder</i> is out of the question. </blockquote> Like their academic peers, “journalists and publishers see themselves as actors within the Zionist movement, not as critical outsiders.” Here’s a sampling of phrases used in their Orwellian reportage:

The Israeli army never intentionally kills anyone, let alone murders them–a state of affairs any other armed organisation would be envious of. Even when a one-ton bomb is dropped onto a dense residential area in Gaza, killing one gunman and 14 innocent civilians, including nine children, it’s still not an intentional killing or murder: it is a targeted assassination. An Israeli journalist can say that IDF soldiers hit Palestinians, or killed them, or killed them by mistake, and that Palestinians were hit, or were killed or even found their death (as if they were looking for it), but murder is out of the question.

]]> By: jaime http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15587 jaime Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:44:14 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/03/academic-freedom-not-for-arabs-in-israel/#comment-15587 I think Nizar Hassan would be much happier in Gaza or libya. He's free to leave. I think Nizar Hassan would be much happier in Gaza or libya.

He’s free to leave.

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