Comments on: US Iraq Rules of Engagement Leaked http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:12:24 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: alowins http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/#comment-25562 alowins Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:19:41 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/#comment-25562 Our ROE should be, "You may kill anything you suspect to be hostile". Ivory tower types, not combat-experienced, should not attempt to impress their cowardice, love of evil and ignorance on "them that has been there and done that." If fired on from a building how can an officer know whether taking out that building will kill more than 30 ragheads? Why are the mahdis and others exempted and allowed to form militias and have weapons? Did Rumsfeld actually do this? Or was he but the tool of dipshit bush? Our ROE should be, “You may kill anything you suspect to be hostile”.
Ivory tower types, not combat-experienced, should not attempt to impress their cowardice, love of evil and ignorance on “them that has been there and done that.”

If fired on from a building how can an officer know whether taking out that building will kill more than 30 ragheads?

Why are the mahdis and others exempted and allowed to form militias and have weapons?

Did Rumsfeld actually do this? Or was he but the tool of dipshit bush?

]]> By: Shabnam http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/#comment-14350 Shabnam Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:41:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/#comment-14350 There is no Al-Qaeda in Iraq or anywhere else. Al-Qaeda is the creation of the US government to justify its crimes of humanity mainly in the Muslim countries. Ben Laden and his associates were brought into Afghanistan by the United States and with the financial aid of the Saudi Arabia armed with Wahhabism that the United States found useful to criminalize Islam and Muslims but be in bed with the criminals, the Saudi elites, to conduct their terrorist activities all over the Muslim world. As Musharraf and Binazir Bhutto have already said on global TV, Ben Laden is DEATH. How many times people should say the fact so you can get it. Yet, the war criminals such as Bush and McCain still fooling ignorant Americans and they promise them to bring “Ben Laden to justice.” There is no Al-Qaeda anywhere, Al-Qaeda is the UNITED STATES who commits more than 95% of the killings in Iraq and accuses others including the imagined “Al-Qaeda” for her crimes in Iraq and elsewhere. People in the Middle East know this fact and have experienced it and no one can fool them. These foolish statements that are coming from the mouth of criminals in Washington, Tel aviv, London, France and elsewhere are directed at their own population to fool them and to buy their cooperations and complicity which were successful, since without the cooperation of their population these criminals could not kill millions and destroy cities after cities for such a long time. The liars in Washington recently “have found tape that shows Al-Qaeda trains children to carry out suicide bombing” which is a LIE. These criminals have already killed most of the adult males in Iraq, by bombing, firing squad, assassination and other means so now they are after the children and that’s why they made this video at CIA, like other tapes of Ben Laden, to prepare the ignorant and cooperative population for the expansion of their terrors into the kindergarten of Iraq. There is no Al-Qaeda in Iraq or anywhere else. Al-Qaeda is the creation of the US government to justify its crimes of humanity mainly in the Muslim countries. Ben Laden and his associates were brought into Afghanistan by the United States and with the financial aid of the Saudi Arabia armed with Wahhabism that the United States found useful to criminalize Islam and Muslims but be in bed with the criminals, the Saudi elites, to conduct their terrorist activities all over the Muslim world.
As Musharraf and Binazir Bhutto have already said on global TV, Ben Laden is DEATH. How many times people should say the fact so you can get it. Yet, the war criminals such as Bush and McCain still fooling ignorant Americans and they promise them to bring “Ben Laden to justice.” There is no Al-Qaeda anywhere, Al-Qaeda is the UNITED STATES who commits more than 95% of the killings in Iraq and accuses others including the imagined “Al-Qaeda” for her crimes in Iraq and elsewhere. People in the Middle East know this fact and have experienced it and no one can fool them. These foolish statements that are coming from the mouth of criminals in Washington, Tel aviv, London, France and elsewhere are directed at their own population to fool them and to buy their cooperations and complicity which were successful, since without the cooperation of their population these criminals could not kill millions and destroy cities after cities for such a long time. The liars in Washington recently “have found tape that shows Al-Qaeda trains children to carry out suicide bombing” which is a LIE. These criminals have already killed most of the adult males in Iraq, by bombing, firing squad, assassination and other means so now they are after the children and that’s why they made this video at CIA, like other tapes of Ben Laden, to prepare the ignorant and cooperative population for the expansion of their terrors into the kindergarten of Iraq.

]]> By: maha http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/#comment-14176 maha Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:31:20 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/#comment-14176 You need to stop calling Al-Qaida Sunni or Muslim, they are nothing of the sort. Their ideology is that of the House of Saud, Wahhabism, a creation of evil some 250 years old. Their publicly declared enemy are all Muslims who reject the cult of Wahhab and the punishment is slaughter. AlQaida was indeed part and parcel of US occupation. You will find that Iraq has been totally infiltrated by these dirty murderous scum who have taken over the running of insititutions in Iraq. The House of Saud (the disgusting murderous perverts) are all over Iraq (read Dahr Jamal to get a glimpse of this). You need to stop calling Al-Qaida Sunni or Muslim, they are nothing of the sort. Their ideology is that of the House of Saud, Wahhabism, a creation of evil some 250 years old. Their publicly declared enemy are all Muslims who reject the cult of Wahhab and the punishment is slaughter. AlQaida was indeed part and parcel of US occupation. You will find that Iraq has been totally infiltrated by these dirty murderous scum who have taken over the running of insititutions in Iraq. The House of Saud (the disgusting murderous perverts) are all over Iraq (read Dahr Jamal to get a glimpse of this).

]]> By: COMarc http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/#comment-14129 COMarc Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:59:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/#comment-14129 I guess I take the lack of Al-Qaida in Iraq on the list of hostile forces differently. To me, they were always a small faction that was massively over-hyped by the US propaganda machine. They were never more than a small percentage of the Sunni guerrilla forces. They rarely engaged in purely military actions, but instead attacked civilian soft targets. This displays a lack of real power being used in a way for maximum publicity. They were a mix of radical Iraqis and foreign fighters. The numbers that Pentagon releases gave for the number of foreign fighters captured was always just a couple of percent of the total number of captives. So, one interesting thing about this is that in the important documents to guide the actions of the troops, but which are kept secret from the public, the over-hyped propaganda against "al-Qaida" disappears and the much broader Iraqi resistance is listed as the true enemy. The other interesting point is that its with these very same elements that the US has recently been forming alliances. Now they are called Awakening Councils, and the US is providing weapons and paying the salaries of some 70,000 of these soldiers. We are now paying and arming the very same group that this 2005 documents lists as the main enemy in Iraq. The public justification for this is that these Awakening Councils are supposed to be our allies against Al-Qaida. But this now revealed secret document shows that the military never regarded Al-Qaida as a serious military enemy in Iraq. I guess I take the lack of Al-Qaida in Iraq on the list of hostile forces differently. To me, they were always a small faction that was massively over-hyped by the US propaganda machine. They were never more than a small percentage of the Sunni guerrilla forces. They rarely engaged in purely military actions, but instead attacked civilian soft targets. This displays a lack of real power being used in a way for maximum publicity. They were a mix of radical Iraqis and foreign fighters. The numbers that Pentagon releases gave for the number of foreign fighters captured was always just a couple of percent of the total number of captives.

So, one interesting thing about this is that in the important documents to guide the actions of the troops, but which are kept secret from the public, the over-hyped propaganda against “al-Qaida” disappears and the much broader Iraqi resistance is listed as the true enemy.

The other interesting point is that its with these very same elements that the US has recently been forming alliances. Now they are called Awakening Councils, and the US is providing weapons and paying the salaries of some 70,000 of these soldiers. We are now paying and arming the very same group that this 2005 documents lists as the main enemy in Iraq.

The public justification for this is that these Awakening Councils are supposed to be our allies against Al-Qaida. But this now revealed secret document shows that the military never regarded Al-Qaida as a serious military enemy in Iraq.

]]> By: maha http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/#comment-14119 maha Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:53:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/#comment-14119 "While the Sunni al-Qaida predecessors do not make the list of hostile forces, the Shia-based Mahdi Army of Muqtada al-Sadr does make the list of “Declared Hostile Forces,” However, as of the ROE’s writing, this status was “suspended and such individuals will not be engaged except in self-defense.” This is completely consistent with the function assigned to these groups by the US/UK/Israeli directors of terror. Al-Qaida which is a CIA/MI6/Mossad/Saudi creation which is neither Sunni nor Shia is in Iraq to destroy and and take over the country and do the bidding of the occupiers, and, the Mehdi group's Moqtada Al-Sadr is a psychopath who has been working for the CIA for several years. So the ROE as applying to these groups completely make sense “While the Sunni al-Qaida predecessors do not make the list of hostile forces, the Shia-based Mahdi Army of Muqtada al-Sadr does make the list of “Declared Hostile Forces,” However, as of the ROE’s writing, this status was “suspended and such individuals will not be engaged except in self-defense.”

This is completely consistent with the function assigned to these groups by the US/UK/Israeli directors of terror. Al-Qaida which is a CIA/MI6/Mossad/Saudi creation which is neither Sunni nor Shia is in Iraq to destroy and and take over the country and do the bidding of the occupiers, and, the Mehdi group’s Moqtada Al-Sadr is a psychopath who has been working for the CIA for several years. So the ROE as applying to these groups completely make sense

]]> By: JB http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/#comment-14110 JB Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:42:24 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/us-iraq-rules-of-engagement-leaked-raises-question-about-rumsfeld-authorizing-war-crimes/#comment-14110 How about a comparison to Hitler's tactics in the Blitzkrieg? How about a comparison to Hitler’s tactics in the Blitzkrieg?

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