Comments on: The Debate That Wasn’t http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-debate-that-wasnt/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:37:35 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: John Hatch http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-debate-that-wasnt/#comment-13977 John Hatch Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:54:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-debate-that-wasnt/#comment-13977 I think you already got the government you deserve, and the next won't be much different, but the rest of the world doesn't deserve America's insane self-entitled brutality and greed, and therin might lie the only possible solution: a prolonged and comprehensive world boycott. Of course America would threaten war, but how would that differ from the current circumstance? john.s.hatch@gmail.com I think you already got the government you deserve, and the next won’t be much different, but the rest of the world doesn’t deserve America’s insane self-entitled brutality and greed, and therin might lie the only possible solution: a prolonged and comprehensive world boycott. Of course America would threaten war, but how would that differ from the current circumstance?
john.s.hatch@gmail.com

]]> By: HR http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-debate-that-wasnt/#comment-13967 HR Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:45:23 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-debate-that-wasnt/#comment-13967 It's a source of constant amazement that people waste time watching this nonsense. Do you expect "candidates" to actually let you know what they would do? Do you think they are telling you the truth? The "debates" are nothing more than a part of the cheap sideshow that we are taught to believe is part of some "solemn" process "we" engage in to select our next executive. I was totally disappointed with the first "debates" I saw, the ones between Kennedy and Nixon, and it's been downhill since. Face it folks, it's all a carnival, a means of making suckers part with their money, and their principles. There may a dime's worth of difference among all the candidates, from "both" parties, and even that's being generous. If you take seriously, and believe in, the hallucination projected to you, then you'll get exactly the government you deserve. It’s a source of constant amazement that people waste time watching this nonsense. Do you expect “candidates” to actually let you know what they would do? Do you think they are telling you the truth? The “debates” are nothing more than a part of the cheap sideshow that we are taught to believe is part of some “solemn” process “we” engage in to select our next executive.

I was totally disappointed with the first “debates” I saw, the ones between Kennedy and Nixon, and it’s been downhill since. Face it folks, it’s all a carnival, a means of making suckers part with their money, and their principles. There may a dime’s worth of difference among all the candidates, from “both” parties, and even that’s being generous. If you take seriously, and believe in, the hallucination projected to you, then you’ll get exactly the government you deserve.

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-debate-that-wasnt/#comment-13919 Max Shields Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:44:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-debate-that-wasnt/#comment-13919 Andrew, I think it's not what you see, as much as how you intrepret it. While I do agree that nothing much changes in terms of policy regardless of administration or party, there is more than a correlation between our trade agreements and the migration of immigrants to the US. Capital creates work, and people follow whether its people chasing jobs criss-crossing America or from the North and South (mostly from the South, and East and West). Check out NAFTA to see how that has driven millions in from the South. While I agree with you that our foreign policy is beyond illegal, I really do think that that speaks to the mistaken thinking that "the United States being dictated to by the United Nations". If that were the case, Israel's leaders as well as US administration leaders would be on trial in some international tribunal or court of law to heed the laws of acts against humanity that they have regularly broken. But that is clearly not the case. The UN did not santion the invasion into Iraq. It was the US who bullied the UN and then decided unilaterally to invade and occupy against all treaties and agreements between that body and others. This is why Ron Paul has the problem with our foreign policy clear and so much else dead wrong. Andrew, I think it’s not what you see, as much as how you intrepret it. While I do agree that nothing much changes in terms of policy regardless of administration or party, there is more than a correlation between our trade agreements and the migration of immigrants to the US. Capital creates work, and people follow whether its people chasing jobs criss-crossing America or from the North and South (mostly from the South, and East and West). Check out NAFTA to see how that has driven millions in from the South.

While I agree with you that our foreign policy is beyond illegal, I really do think that that speaks to the mistaken thinking that “the United States being dictated to by the United Nations”. If that were the case, Israel’s leaders as well as US administration leaders would be on trial in some international tribunal or court of law to heed the laws of acts against humanity that they have regularly broken. But that is clearly not the case. The UN did not santion the invasion into Iraq. It was the US who bullied the UN and then decided unilaterally to invade and occupy against all treaties and agreements between that body and others.

This is why Ron Paul has the problem with our foreign policy clear and so much else dead wrong.

]]> By: Andrew http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-debate-that-wasnt/#comment-13900 Andrew Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:54:45 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/the-debate-that-wasnt/#comment-13900 Ironically, as long as I can remember, no matter which party raises up the newest president, nothing changes as far as policy is concerned. And where is it leading us? I see industry moving out of the country at alarming rates. Masses of illegal immigrants swarm across our unprotected borders while our military is used to protect the borders of foreign countries and big oil. I see a policy of endless preemptive war against an undefined enemy. I see the United States being dictated to by the United Nations. I see dangerous legislation, such as the "Patriot Act," and "Military Commission Act," eroding our constitutional rights, passed by a Congress who swore an oath to protect those rights, and I see debates with candidates who argue with each other as to how best to continue these policies. Google Ron Paul Ironically, as long as I can remember, no matter which party raises up the newest president, nothing changes as far as policy is concerned. And where is it leading us? I see industry moving out of the country at alarming rates. Masses of illegal immigrants swarm across our unprotected borders while our military is used to protect the borders of foreign countries and big oil. I see a policy of endless preemptive war against an undefined enemy. I see the United States being dictated to by the United Nations. I see dangerous legislation, such as the “Patriot Act,” and “Military Commission Act,” eroding our constitutional rights, passed by a Congress who swore an oath to protect those rights, and I see debates with candidates who argue with each other as to how best to continue these policies. Google Ron Paul

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