Comments on: From Lebanon with Hate http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:46:56 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Sali http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-31595 Sali Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:19:45 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-31595 Interesting article!let's analyse the statements being made ! im a bit delayed... i only received the link today but anyways. a The difference, my dear Christian friends, between Israel and the Arab world is quite simply the difference between civilization and barbarism. exactly arabs are know for their horrific acts which can be defined as barbarism! I'm impressed that you chose a quote from Mohammad's hadith.. it must have been really difficult for you to find that quote. Good job.what about other quotes where he spreads the message of dying for the sake of Allah.isnt that a contradiction where mohammad supposedly is spreading the message of "peace" since Islam is the arabic root for salam which means peace.anyways thats not really important! the invading Israeli forces in 1978 installed near the town center its proxy militia, the so-called South Lebanon Army (SLA). now let's go back in history. why did israel come to lebanon? it didnt invade lebanon. You have mentioned the Lebanese Forces. let me tell you more about them. The "Lebanese Forces" was created as a result of excruciating circumstances in Lebanon in late seventies when the Lebanese Christian community felt the need to defend itself against impending internal and external dangers and threats. These dangers were amplified by the fact that the government with its entire infrastructure proved to be impotent in containing the Palestinian military presence in Lebanon, which threatened Lebanon’ sovereignty and independence. The resistance forces consisted of several separate factions: the Phalangists, The National Liberal Party, Al-Tanzeem Party and the Guardians of The Cedars, who took a multi-lateral decision on August 1976 to consolidate the war efforts and to establish a unified resistance military council under the command of the late Lebanese president "Bashir Gemayel". Their goal was to liberate the Lebanese Territory from all foreign troops. The PLO. Palestinian Liberation organization (Terrorists) seized many areas of Lebanon, where it brutalized the population and usurped Lebanese government authority. The torture that they implied on Christians was indescribable. They performed many massacres .. and by performing I don’t mean just killing! They used to get the mothers and daughters and rape them in front of the husband/father .. chop them into pieces and throw them. They used to bring a child , tie on leg to the father and the other to the mother and pull the parents till the child came apart. And every time they would murder a person, they would stab him with a wooden cross in the stomach and say “let your cross save you now”. These included the Damour massacre in which Palestinians massacred Christian inhabitants of the coastal town 20 miles south of Beirut, so the christians retaliated and the massacred around 3,000 Palestinian civilians and refugees during three days with Israeli forces' knowledge and logistic helpWhile all this was happening, the only country that came to aid the Christians was Israel. Israel supported the Lebanese Forces and assisted them in the war by arming them and training their men. So the Lebanese Forces went to the Palestinian Refugee Camps – the “office” of the PLO and basically killed them. That’s when the PLO was forced to leave Lebanon. After all these events occurred. Israel moved out of Beirut to the South of Lebanon and many of the Lebanese Forces soldiers followed as it provided them with a shelter and money to fulfill their daily needs.AND we have moved on to a more peaceful Lebanon, till HEZBALLA was created! Hezballa is an Iranian . Syrian terrorist organization, they wanted to apparently kick Israel out however their main goal was to make Lebanon a muslim shiite country. they are radical muslims, terrorists that want to take over everything by force!~ and their Leader have said personally that “the only solution for Lebanon is the Muslim Shi’i solution” They kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and declared war on Israel which resulted in the total destruction of Lebanon ! "she has been organizing perhaps the most vicious hate campaign against Islam, Arabs, and Muslims ever witnessed in America".--- these are not hating campaigns, she is simply stating facts from her experiences and warning poeple! we christians sympathyse alot with others and as a lebanese christian, i am taught to love others and not to discriminate against them. but how can i not hate muslims? when i am raised in a society that is full of muslim terror, where poeple slaughter you just because you don;t agree with their radical muslim idelogy! im sorry my friend this is not hate campaigns, these are facts that the media does not show you! "The SLA and the Israeli army quickly constructed the notorious regional detention center just down the road at Khiam, where systematic torture has been 9documented " do you know why the detention centre was established and who was tortured? Israel did NOT establish the SLA, the SLA was a group of soldiers from the Lebanese army sent to the south to control the area... from the time this group joined forces with israel , Israel has never thrown a rocket, never went past the south and never atatcked civilians! Hezballa used to send poeple to plant roadside bombs, bombs in cars ,attack the SLA and kill their children! and those who have been caught are the ones that were tortured in the dentention centre. Don;'t you think it is fair? thats the least they deserve when they decide to take someone;s life! "as a Lebanese she is totally Arab," Incorrect my friend . Lebanese people are NOT arabs!The Arabs are the people who inhabit the Arab Peninsula (Kuwait, Arab Gulf emirates, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Yemen, even Jordan and Syria). The Arabic culture is the way of life the people of those countries live, their language, their traditions, their politics, their education and their religions. The majority of Lebanese people are not Arabs; they are the descendent of the Phoenicians. After comparing the DNA from a number of Lebanese and comparing it with the DNA collected from the Phoenicians, the latest research compiled by the National Geographic states that 75% of Lebanese are descendants of the Phoenicians. Lebanon is incorrectly considered as an Arab country, when historical facts are there to prove that the Phoenicians (the Lebanese ancestors) were the original inhabitants of the land. A civilisation, which roots go back to 6000 years ago. THE ANCIENT LEBANESE DID NOT ARRIVE FROM THE ARAB PENINSULA OR THE PERSIAN GULF OR THE RED SEA. And just because Lebanon joined the League of Arab States for political reasons, or signed the Taef record.. IT SHOULDNT BE CONFUSED AS AN ARAB COUNTRY. "carnage caused by more than 16,000 Israeli attacks on more than 7,400 targets" and you also claim the Hezballa freed the south and consider 2006 war a victory. Lots of bullshit i tell ya! we know what Israel did in the recent war with Lebanon, we know the amount of cluster bombs dropped on civilians. we know the number of civilians killed by Israel and the whole world watching, we saw the bodies, and we have seen the children who were killed or displaced or maimed, by Israeli arms. however who are we to blame? Hasan Nasrallah is the one who kidnapped the soldiers and he is the one that declared war. Hezballa are the ones who gave israel the "green light" to do whatever they wanted to do. they did not defend the country in any possible way... they simply brought all the problems towards us! did not do anything... they claim to have kicked Israel out... please we will know that Israel withdrew itself not for the sake of hezballa.. and 2006 was not a victory- IT IS SIMPLY .... A GREAT LOSS TO LEBANON AND TO ALL LEBANESE FRANKLIN LAMB- as an advice from a lebanese person. don't write just for the sake of writing. YOU ARE NOT IN LEBANON AND SIMPLY CANT SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING. GOOGLE IS NOT THE GREATEST SOURCE TO GET FACTS.... THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT OCCUR THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MENTION! PEACE TO ALL ! Interesting article!let’s analyse the statements being made !
im a bit delayed… i only received the link today but anyways. a

The difference, my dear Christian friends, between Israel and the Arab world is quite simply the difference between civilization and barbarism. exactly arabs are know for their horrific acts which can be defined as barbarism! I’m impressed that you chose a quote from Mohammad’s hadith.. it must have been really difficult for you to find that quote. Good job.what about other quotes where he spreads the message of dying for the sake of Allah.isnt that a contradiction where mohammad supposedly is spreading the message of “peace” since Islam is the arabic root for salam which means peace.anyways thats not really important!

the invading Israeli forces in 1978 installed near the town center its proxy militia, the so-called South Lebanon Army (SLA). now let’s go back in history. why did israel come to lebanon? it didnt invade lebanon. You have mentioned the Lebanese Forces. let me tell you more about them.
The “Lebanese Forces” was created as a result of excruciating circumstances in Lebanon in late seventies when the Lebanese Christian community felt the need to defend itself against impending internal and external dangers and threats. These dangers were amplified by the fact that the government with its entire infrastructure proved to be impotent in containing the Palestinian military presence in Lebanon, which threatened Lebanon’ sovereignty and independence. The resistance forces consisted of several separate factions: the Phalangists, The National Liberal Party, Al-Tanzeem Party and the Guardians of The Cedars, who took a multi-lateral decision on August 1976 to consolidate the war efforts and to establish a unified resistance military council under the command of the late Lebanese president “Bashir Gemayel”.
Their goal was to liberate the Lebanese Territory from all foreign troops.

The PLO. Palestinian Liberation organization (Terrorists)
seized many areas of Lebanon, where it brutalized the population and usurped Lebanese government authority.
The torture that they implied on Christians was indescribable. They performed many massacres .. and by performing I don’t mean just killing! They used to get the mothers and daughters and rape them in front of the husband/father .. chop them into pieces and throw them. They used to bring a child , tie on leg to the father and the other to the mother and pull the parents till the child came apart. And every time they would murder a person, they would stab him with a wooden cross in the stomach and say “let your cross save you now”. These included the Damour massacre in which Palestinians massacred Christian inhabitants of the coastal town 20 miles south of Beirut, so the christians retaliated and the massacred around 3,000 Palestinian civilians and refugees during three days with Israeli forces’ knowledge and logistic helpWhile all this was happening, the only country that came to aid the Christians was Israel. Israel supported the Lebanese Forces and assisted them in the war by arming them and training their men. So the Lebanese Forces went to the Palestinian Refugee Camps – the “office” of the PLO and basically killed them. That’s when the PLO was forced to leave Lebanon.

After all these events occurred. Israel moved out of Beirut to the South of Lebanon and many of the Lebanese Forces soldiers followed as it provided them with a shelter and money to fulfill their daily needs.AND we have moved on to a more peaceful Lebanon, till HEZBALLA was created! Hezballa is an Iranian . Syrian terrorist organization, they wanted to apparently kick Israel out however their main goal was to make Lebanon a muslim shiite country. they are radical muslims, terrorists that want to take over everything by force!~ and their Leader have said personally that “the only solution for Lebanon is the Muslim Shi’i solution”
They kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and declared war on Israel which resulted in the total destruction of Lebanon !

“she has been organizing perhaps the most vicious hate campaign against Islam, Arabs, and Muslims ever witnessed in America”.— these are not hating campaigns, she is simply stating facts from her experiences and warning poeple! we christians sympathyse alot with others and as a lebanese christian, i am taught to love others and not to discriminate against them. but how can i not hate muslims? when i am raised in a society that is full of muslim terror, where poeple slaughter you just because you don;t agree with their radical muslim idelogy! im sorry my friend this is not hate campaigns, these are facts that the media does not show you!

“The SLA and the Israeli army quickly constructed the notorious regional detention center just down the road at Khiam, where systematic torture has been 9documented ” do you know why the detention centre was established and who was tortured? Israel did NOT establish the SLA, the SLA was a group of soldiers from the Lebanese army sent to the south to control the area… from the time this group joined forces with israel , Israel has never thrown a rocket, never went past the south and never atatcked civilians! Hezballa used to send poeple to plant roadside bombs, bombs in cars ,attack the SLA and kill their children! and those who have been caught are the ones that were tortured in the dentention centre. Don;’t you think it is fair? thats the least they deserve when they decide to take someone;s life!
“as a Lebanese she is totally Arab,” Incorrect my friend . Lebanese people are NOT arabs!The Arabs are the people who inhabit the Arab Peninsula (Kuwait, Arab Gulf emirates, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Yemen, even Jordan and Syria).
The Arabic culture is the way of life the people of those countries live, their language, their traditions, their politics, their education and their religions.
The majority of Lebanese people are not Arabs; they are the descendent of the Phoenicians. After comparing the DNA from a number of Lebanese and comparing it with the DNA collected from the Phoenicians, the latest research compiled by the National Geographic states that 75% of Lebanese are descendants of the Phoenicians.
Lebanon is incorrectly considered as an Arab country, when historical facts are there to prove that the Phoenicians (the Lebanese ancestors) were the original inhabitants of the land. A civilisation, which roots go back to 6000 years ago.
THE ANCIENT LEBANESE DID NOT ARRIVE FROM THE ARAB PENINSULA OR THE PERSIAN GULF OR THE RED SEA.
And just because Lebanon joined the League of Arab States for political reasons, or signed the Taef record.. IT SHOULDNT BE CONFUSED AS AN ARAB COUNTRY.

“carnage caused by more than 16,000 Israeli attacks on more than 7,400 targets” and you also claim the Hezballa freed the south and consider 2006 war a victory. Lots of bullshit i tell ya!
we know what Israel did in the recent war with Lebanon, we know the amount of cluster bombs dropped on civilians. we know the number of civilians killed by Israel and the whole world watching, we saw the bodies, and we have seen the children who were killed or displaced or maimed, by Israeli arms.
however who are we to blame? Hasan Nasrallah is the one who kidnapped the soldiers and he is the one that declared war. Hezballa are the ones who gave israel the “green light” to do whatever they wanted to do. they did not defend the country in any possible way… they simply brought all the problems towards us! did not do anything… they claim to have kicked Israel out… please we will know that Israel withdrew itself not for the sake of hezballa.. and 2006 was not a victory- IT IS SIMPLY …. A GREAT LOSS TO LEBANON AND TO ALL LEBANESE

FRANKLIN LAMB- as an advice from a lebanese person. don’t write just for the sake of writing. YOU ARE NOT IN LEBANON AND SIMPLY CANT SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING. GOOGLE IS NOT THE GREATEST SOURCE TO GET FACTS…. THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT OCCUR THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MENTION!

PEACE TO ALL !

]]> By: Shir Sayed http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-16694 Shir Sayed Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:26:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-16694 I cannot believe the venom of this writer, Mr. Franklin Lamb, against a woman calling her dark maid!!!! a brave Arab American, who speaks her heart out after 3000 fellow Americans were killed by the same people who are terrorizing the Middle East and the whole world. Is Mr. Lamb unaware of what the whole world is suffering from? Does he see the high price budgets of all countries around the world to fight Islamic (yes Mr. Lamb) Islamic terrorism. If Mr. Lamb calls Brigitte doing this for power and money of the Zionist Lobby, then he must be also doing the same favor to the Muslim and Arab lobby. If he accuses her of being paid by the zionists, then we can also accuse him of being under the Arab lobby pay roll. Shame on you Lamb you are more hateful in this article than anything Brigitte has ever said. I am an Arab American and not like Brigitte, a Christian, but a Muslim and I stand in support of Brigitte. As to you Mr. Lamb, you will never get it until you can live under the horrors of the Islamic State. I cannot believe the venom of this writer, Mr. Franklin Lamb, against a woman calling her dark maid!!!! a brave Arab American, who speaks her heart out after 3000 fellow Americans were killed by the same people who are terrorizing the Middle East and the whole world. Is Mr. Lamb unaware of what the whole world is suffering from? Does he see the high price budgets of all countries around the world to fight Islamic (yes Mr. Lamb) Islamic terrorism. If Mr. Lamb calls Brigitte doing this for power and money of the Zionist Lobby, then he must be also doing the same favor to the Muslim and Arab lobby. If he accuses her of being paid by the zionists, then we can also accuse him of being under the Arab lobby pay roll. Shame on you Lamb you are more hateful in this article than anything Brigitte has ever said. I am an Arab American and not like Brigitte, a Christian, but a Muslim and I stand in support of Brigitte. As to you Mr. Lamb, you will never get it until you can live under the horrors of the Islamic State.

]]> By: hp http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15283 hp Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:43:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15283 Maybe he just got it backwards, Jaime. I mean, actions speak louder than words.. Maybe he just got it backwards, Jaime.
I mean, actions speak louder than words..

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15183 Hue Longer Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:33:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15183 trollific! trollific!

]]> By: Made in America http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15172 Made in America Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:57:39 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15172 You're a moronic muslim delusional lunatic. Your terrorist radical world view will disappear with the rest of your terrorist slaves. You’re a moronic muslim delusional lunatic.

Your terrorist radical world view will disappear with the rest
of your terrorist slaves.

]]> By: Shabnam http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15149 Shabnam Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:17:10 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15149 Shame on those illiterate Zionists who do not know who killed so many people in the name of fighting against communism in the Middle East and elsewhere. They have already forgotten that majorities of the states in the middle east were under control and influence of the US and its puppets who were carrying orders including killing their own citizens to support the “prosperous west” which has been continued to the present. Over 30,000 Iraqi people were killed by the puppets installed and influenced by the colonial and imperials powers and their war criminals residing in US, Israel, Britain and France. Thousand of people were killed with the same excuses under directorship of grand war criminals such as Kissinger, McNamara, Clark, Holbrook, Albright, Sharon, and ………. It is interesting to see people can not belief their own brutality and act of terrorism when it is presented to them since the population of these states benefits from deaths of others and they prefer to stay in the state of denial not to face the challenges against their way of life which is based on robbery and act of terrorism against others. Why don’t you read another article about the same Zioneofascist, Brigitte Gabriel, which was posted last year on this site? The author wrote: “Ms. Gabriel has made a decadent living over the years, selling herself out to zioneocon “think-tanks,” and commands the highest of fees for her apparent ability to hold unassuming and gullible audiences captive with her well-scripted and well-rehearsed black propaganda and bald-faced lies about Arabs, Muslims and Middle Eastern history and politics.1 It should therefore come as no surprise that she is also a regular contributor on FOX and CNN as a “Middle East expert”. http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/brigitte-gabriel-on-terrorism-it-takes-one-to-know-one/ Shame on those illiterate Zionists who do not know who killed so many people in the name of fighting against communism in the Middle East and elsewhere. They have already forgotten that majorities of the states in the middle east were under control and influence of the US and its puppets who were carrying orders including killing their own citizens to support the “prosperous west” which has been continued to the present. Over 30,000 Iraqi people were killed by the puppets installed and influenced by the colonial and imperials powers and their war criminals residing in US, Israel, Britain and France. Thousand of people were killed with the same excuses under directorship of grand war criminals such as Kissinger, McNamara, Clark, Holbrook, Albright, Sharon, and ……….
It is interesting to see people can not belief their own brutality and act of terrorism when it is presented to them since the population of these states benefits from deaths of others and they prefer to stay in the state of denial not to face the challenges against their way of life which is based on robbery and act of terrorism against others.
Why don’t you read another article about the same Zioneofascist, Brigitte Gabriel, which was posted last year on this site? The author wrote:
“Ms. Gabriel has made a decadent living over the years, selling herself out to zioneocon “think-tanks,” and commands the highest of fees for her apparent ability to hold unassuming and gullible audiences captive with her well-scripted and well-rehearsed black propaganda and bald-faced lies about Arabs, Muslims and Middle Eastern history and politics.1 It should therefore come as no surprise that she is also a regular contributor on FOX and CNN as a “Middle East expert”.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/brigitte-gabriel-on-terrorism-it-takes-one-to-know-one/

]]> By: Pierre http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15134 Pierre Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:50:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15134 The primary objective for the war was to dismantle Hizbollah completely, and instill large demographic changes. Given that Israel failed to export the war to enemy territory and keep it out of Israeli territory, rockets were still falling in the hundereds during the last day of the "ceasefire" and that the war lasted for 33 days, much longer than any of Israel's previous "wars", than yes Israel did not achieve its goals. The primary objective for the war was to dismantle Hizbollah completely, and instill large demographic changes.
Given that Israel failed to export the war to enemy territory and keep it out of Israeli territory, rockets were still falling in the hundereds during the last day of the “ceasefire” and that the war lasted for 33 days, much longer than any of Israel’s previous “wars”, than yes Israel did not achieve its goals.

]]> By: hp http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15131 hp Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:01:25 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15131 Standard issue for the IDF now is piss proof under wear, when further conflict with , or even the mention of the name Hezbollah, arises. Standard issue for the IDF now is piss proof under wear, when further conflict with , or even the mention of the name Hezbollah, arises.

]]> By: Ray Ralph http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15098 Ray Ralph Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:45:08 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15098 In 2006, the Israeli Air Force flew repeated bombing raids over Lebanon which caused the horrible carnage and mass murder of the innocent Lebanese civilians described in the article above. Despite the commission of these terrible and criminal acts, the IDF was not able to get sufficient ground forces five miles into southern Lebanon, however, so that they could seize control of the Litani River and divert its waters to Israel (this was one of the main motivations, perhaps the main one, behind Israel's criminal attack). The IDF's attempt to penetrate Lebanon with sufficient force to carry out their nefarious scheme. They were repelled (defeated!!) by Hezbollah! What Israel did win from its bad behavior was continuing status in the eyes of most of the world's people as a criminal and pariah nation. In 2006, the Israeli Air Force flew repeated bombing raids over Lebanon which caused the horrible carnage and mass murder of the innocent Lebanese civilians described in the article above. Despite the commission of these terrible and criminal acts, the IDF was not able to get sufficient ground forces five miles into southern Lebanon, however, so that they could seize control of the Litani River and divert its waters to Israel (this was one of the main motivations, perhaps the main one, behind Israel’s criminal attack). The IDF’s attempt to penetrate Lebanon with sufficient force to carry out their nefarious scheme. They were repelled (defeated!!) by Hezbollah! What Israel did win from its bad behavior was continuing status in the eyes of most of the world’s people as a criminal and pariah nation.

]]> By: jimmy ray http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15097 jimmy ray Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:07:39 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15097 i have read this article with disbelief at the amount of disinformation and factual ignorance of lebanese history both ancient and recent. in fact the material is so unreal that one has to wonder what motivates lamb to say what he says. being of lebanese origin allows me to be better informed about lebanon and all the local and regional players in this deadly game . it really has nothing to do with metaphysics at all. it is about totalitarian hegemony in the name of some diety, aparthied based on religion rather than skin color and most basically raping looting and pillging in the name of said diety figure. the hatred due to the intensive brainwashing is enormous and unparalleled in any other ideology. the violence is a way of life and yet the lamb lambastes the victim and victimizes the centuries ongoing perpetrator. what folly . the left had always played a dirty game in the middle east . millions of people were killed in egypt iraq and other countries back in the fifties and sixties under communists or socialist outfits before the new wave of allahy killings started in the nineties mostly but also in eighties in lebanon which was and still is a forerunner of things to come. shame on you lamb for this fact twisting peice of smear journalism. you do a great disservice to lebanon and frankly your hatred and prejudice show through and through i have read this article with disbelief at the amount of disinformation and factual ignorance of lebanese history both ancient and recent. in fact the material is so unreal that one has to wonder what motivates lamb to say what he says. being of lebanese origin allows me to be better informed about lebanon and all the local and regional players in this deadly game . it really has nothing to do with metaphysics at all. it is about totalitarian hegemony in the name of some diety, aparthied based on religion rather than skin color and most basically raping looting and pillging in the name of said diety figure. the hatred due to the intensive brainwashing is enormous and unparalleled in any other ideology. the violence is a way of life and yet the lamb lambastes the victim and victimizes the centuries ongoing perpetrator. what folly . the left had always played a dirty game in the middle east . millions of people were killed in egypt iraq and other countries back in the fifties and sixties under communists or socialist outfits before the new wave of allahy killings started in the nineties mostly but also in eighties in lebanon which was and still is a forerunner of things to come.
shame on you lamb for this fact twisting peice of smear journalism. you do a great disservice to lebanon and frankly your hatred and prejudice show through and through

]]> By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15080 Michael Kenny Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:24:10 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15080 Ms Gabriel is, or was, a Maronite and the Maronites are Catholics, Mr Lamb's rather odd formulation ("Greek Orthodox and Maronite Christians, and Greek Catholics") notwithstanding. Indeed, the Maronite Partiarch is a cardinal! Ms Gabriel's reference to “Allah, which is very different from the God we believe in" runs flatly counter to the teaching of the Catholic Church. "Allah" is nothing more than the Arabic word for "God", just as "Dieu" is the French word, and I was taught in Catholic school that all Abrahamic religions worship the same God. There is a small band of American Catholic dissidents who espouse the line adopted by Ms Gabriel, but they are totally out of sync with the Church, not just worldwide, but even within the US. "God is love" is a classic Catholic idea, and I don't know enough about Islam to comment on Islamic morality, but I never cease to be shocked by the essentially hate and vengence-driven morality of those who base themselves primarily or exclusively on the Old Testament. I don't see the logic of Catholics associating with such people! Ms Gabriel is, or was, a Maronite and the Maronites are Catholics, Mr Lamb’s rather odd formulation (”Greek Orthodox and Maronite Christians, and Greek Catholics”) notwithstanding. Indeed, the Maronite Partiarch is a cardinal!

Ms Gabriel’s reference to “Allah, which is very different from the God we believe in” runs flatly counter to the teaching of the Catholic Church. “Allah” is nothing more than the Arabic word for “God”, just as “Dieu” is the French word, and I was taught in Catholic school that all Abrahamic religions worship the same God. There is a small band of American Catholic dissidents who espouse the line adopted by Ms Gabriel, but they are totally out of sync with the Church, not just worldwide, but even within the US.

“God is love” is a classic Catholic idea, and I don’t know enough about Islam to comment on Islamic morality, but I never cease to be shocked by the essentially hate and vengence-driven morality of those who base themselves primarily or exclusively on the Old Testament. I don’t see the logic of Catholics associating with such people!

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15069 Hue Longer Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:37:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15069 wow jaime... you have a moral and intellectual inability to see how victory can look anything different than mass murder. It's like listening to a goulish US American hating the resolve of the Vietnamese to push the invaders out, comforting his ego by bragging about the attrition and destruction the people suffered. Is there anyone smarter than you in your household who can caution you on your idiocy which hurts your cause? You'd be a much better apologist were you to just keep it simple and lie. wow jaime…

you have a moral and intellectual inability to see how victory can look anything different than mass murder. It’s like listening to a goulish US American hating the resolve of the Vietnamese to push the invaders out, comforting his ego by bragging about the attrition and destruction the people suffered.

Is there anyone smarter than you in your household who can caution you on your idiocy which hurts your cause? You’d be a much better apologist were you to just keep it simple and lie.

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15065 Mulga Mumblebrain Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:55:17 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15065 God, evil is instantly identifiable, is it not. The deranged, genocidal anti-Islamic hatemongering of this odious creature and the Judeofascist and Christian Zionist monsters who promote her, and everyone's favourite shirtlifter, little jaime ithh his trademark luxuriating in the murder and destruction of Moslem untermenschen. The analogies with Nazism are myriad, and let's face it, ideologies of extreme racial supremacism and the raising of mass murder to a quasi- religious obligation, are bound to be very alike in essence and execution. No doubt this deranged hatemonger will make a trip to these shores some time soon. The local Judeofascist establishment, with its media headquarters in Murdoch's national daily and hate-rag 'The Fundament' specialises in this type of extreme hatemongering, so clearly preparatory to some explosion of mass murder and extermination. It is of course true that the forces of Israeli and US neo-Nazism have already killed millions throughout the Middle East and Africa, yet the blood-lust seems only to be growing. The myriad exhortations in the Old Testament to exterminate 'God's' enemies down to the last woman and child seem to be in danger of being put into ghastly practice. Little jaime will really cream his jeans then. God, evil is instantly identifiable, is it not. The deranged, genocidal anti-Islamic hatemongering of this odious creature and the Judeofascist and Christian Zionist monsters who promote her, and everyone’s favourite shirtlifter, little jaime ithh his trademark luxuriating in the murder and destruction of Moslem untermenschen. The analogies with Nazism are myriad, and let’s face it, ideologies of extreme racial supremacism and the raising of mass murder to a quasi- religious obligation, are bound to be very alike in essence and execution.
No doubt this deranged hatemonger will make a trip to these shores some time soon. The local Judeofascist establishment, with its media headquarters in Murdoch’s national daily and hate-rag ‘The Fundament’ specialises in this type of extreme hatemongering, so clearly preparatory to some explosion of mass murder and extermination. It is of course true that the forces of Israeli and US neo-Nazism have already killed millions throughout the Middle East and Africa, yet the blood-lust seems only to be growing. The myriad exhortations in the Old Testament to exterminate ‘God’s’ enemies down to the last woman and child seem to be in danger of being put into ghastly practice. Little jaime will really cream his jeans then.

]]> By: jaime http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15063 jaime Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:11:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15063 Well, well, well. Elsewhere here on the People's Voice for the struggle for peace and social justice, Komrade Ray was giving this writer a hard time about whether the IDF reached the Litani River during the 2006 Lebanon war. He also insisted that Hezbollah "won." If this above is winning...then it will be interesting to see what happens when they lose. * More than 500 villages destroyed or damaged * 30,000 private homes totally destroyed * 32,000 homes with major damage * 70,000 homes with minor damage * 137 bridges and overpasses bombed * 26 fuel stations and 3 main fuel-storage tanks destroyed * 950 large businesses and 2,800 smaller ones obliterated * 23 large factories—milk and candy producers among them— destroyed * 330 main and secondary water distribution networks bombed * 186 purification, chlorination, storage and pumping stations bombed * 150 electrical transformers bombed * 50 health-care facilities destroyed or severely damaged * 150 km of coastline contaminated with oil * 350 schools damaged or destroyed * 950,000 of her countrymen displaced * Almost 1,450 killed and 4,500 wounded Well, well, well. Elsewhere here on the People’s Voice for the struggle for peace and social justice, Komrade Ray was giving this writer a hard time about whether the IDF reached the Litani River during the 2006 Lebanon war.

He also insisted that Hezbollah “won.”

If this above is winning…then it will be interesting to see what happens when they lose.

* More than 500 villages destroyed or damaged

* 30,000 private homes totally destroyed

* 32,000 homes with major damage

* 70,000 homes with minor damage

* 137 bridges and overpasses bombed

* 26 fuel stations and 3 main fuel-storage tanks destroyed

* 950 large businesses and 2,800 smaller ones obliterated

* 23 large factories—milk and candy producers among them— destroyed

* 330 main and secondary water distribution networks bombed

* 186 purification, chlorination, storage and pumping stations bombed

* 150 electrical transformers bombed

* 50 health-care facilities destroyed or severely damaged

* 150 km of coastline contaminated with oil

* 350 schools damaged or destroyed

* 950,000 of her countrymen displaced

* Almost 1,450 killed and 4,500 wounded

]]> By: Jim R. http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15062 Jim R. Sun, 24 Feb 2008 03:59:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/from-lebanon-with-hate/#comment-15062 Why does the Talmud profess that the Jews are the only people to have souls and are of God, yet the back handed statement of Brigitte Gabriel to Christians. I've grown up around Jews that both consider we Christians filth or equals. Her discourse is of the former and she probably knew she was lying. That kind of statement is one that all 3 contemporary faiths reject. Thank you for showing her statement for what it is, trash talk from someone that considers all other faiths, people without a soul. Why does the Talmud profess that the Jews are the only people to have souls and are of God, yet the back handed statement of Brigitte Gabriel to Christians. I’ve grown up around Jews that both consider we Christians filth or equals. Her discourse is of the former and she probably knew she was lying. That kind of statement is one that all 3 contemporary faiths reject.

Thank you for showing her statement for what it is, trash talk from someone that considers all other faiths, people without a soul.

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