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		<title>By: Charlie Aphase</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-21650</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Aphase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The states should go back to making their own currency. Then goods produced and traded interstate could be locally controlled. Money value from interstate trade could go to a US central clearing house were accounting would be  kept. With the internet and computers this could be done on a daily basis. Taxes could be collected at the same time  automaticlly. There could be value added tax locally or sales tax locally. People could go to the next state to buy if prices were better
as a result interstate competion would take place. Our for fathers gave  up state currency for a centralized currency to eliminate monitery confusion. With computers and a money market that would eliminate that confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The states should go back to making their own currency. Then goods produced and traded interstate could be locally controlled. Money value from interstate trade could go to a US central clearing house were accounting would be  kept. With the internet and computers this could be done on a daily basis. Taxes could be collected at the same time  automaticlly. There could be value added tax locally or sales tax locally. People could go to the next state to buy if prices were better<br />
as a result interstate competion would take place. Our for fathers gave  up state currency for a centralized currency to eliminate monitery confusion. With computers and a money market that would eliminate that confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-18350</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur with John Fellowes.  I think a video (e.g. YouTube) discussing these policies, potentially with pretty graphs and dramatic pictures, would be able to acquire the attention of many people who lack the patience to read.

A shorter video could act as an summary or introduction of the policies, followed by a full-length video detailing the history of financial policies and their effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with John Fellowes.  I think a video (e.g. YouTube) discussing these policies, potentially with pretty graphs and dramatic pictures, would be able to acquire the attention of many people who lack the patience to read.</p>
<p>A shorter video could act as an summary or introduction of the policies, followed by a full-length video detailing the history of financial policies and their effects.</p>
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		<title>By: John Fellowes</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-18330</link>
		<dc:creator>John Fellowes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 05:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just heard Richard on WTPRN radio and it was  awsome.  I really think a video or a tape of your discussion would make it easier for me to reach a lot of people.  Most people I know would never read your articles but would be likely to watch or listen.  I would love to hear that broadcast again.  Thanks.  I learned most of what I know from the Wizards of Money which is available on tape or print download.  Their objective is to make money easy to understand and make a way to educate people
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just heard Richard on WTPRN radio and it was  awsome.  I really think a video or a tape of your discussion would make it easier for me to reach a lot of people.  Most people I know would never read your articles but would be likely to watch or listen.  I would love to hear that broadcast again.  Thanks.  I learned most of what I know from the Wizards of Money which is available on tape or print download.  Their objective is to make money easy to understand and make a way to educate people<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15877</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;NO ONE PAYS FOR ANYGTHING AT ALL. &quot;

This sounds like communism:  from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs.

There will always be a &quot;cost&quot; associated with production, and if nobody paid a price for the good or service consumed, then the firm supplying the good or service would be unable to recoup its costs.

There are always inputs into production which have real costs, whether it&#039;s the time spent from people who actually create the good or service, or the plant, materials, and equipment depreciated during its construction.

The idea that there will some day come a time when everything is &quot;free&quot; is complete idealism, and that is certainly not anything that Social Credit is proposing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;NO ONE PAYS FOR ANYGTHING AT ALL. &#8221;</p>
<p>This sounds like communism:  from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs.</p>
<p>There will always be a &#8220;cost&#8221; associated with production, and if nobody paid a price for the good or service consumed, then the firm supplying the good or service would be unable to recoup its costs.</p>
<p>There are always inputs into production which have real costs, whether it&#8217;s the time spent from people who actually create the good or service, or the plant, materials, and equipment depreciated during its construction.</p>
<p>The idea that there will some day come a time when everything is &#8220;free&#8221; is complete idealism, and that is certainly not anything that Social Credit is proposing.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cook</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15745</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have communicated with Ms. Gaddis on this subject before and have agreed that if and when mankind becomes much more enlightened than we are today, money will become a thing of the past. I have also said as much in my writings. A time will come when people work and produce for the love of it and out of conscience to the community. At that point money will not be needed because whatever we really require will be available. And because it is available there will be no need to hoard or acquire possessions for their own sake. Possessiveness is just another type of fear. I have called money &quot;the last tyranny.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have communicated with Ms. Gaddis on this subject before and have agreed that if and when mankind becomes much more enlightened than we are today, money will become a thing of the past. I have also said as much in my writings. A time will come when people work and produce for the love of it and out of conscience to the community. At that point money will not be needed because whatever we really require will be available. And because it is available there will be no need to hoard or acquire possessions for their own sake. Possessiveness is just another type of fear. I have called money &#8220;the last tyranny.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Gaddis</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15740</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna Gaddis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, here&#039;s my two cents worth.  You may be able to put the financial oligarchy out of  business for a period of time, but, with the use of any medium of exchange, they will always have their foot in the door and eventually I feel that they will be back in power within a hundred years.  The only way to set the economy right is that NO ONE PAYS FOR ANYGTHING AT ALL.  Lest you think that that is giving things away free?  Well, we are working aren&#039;t we?  Lest you think that individuals will not work and want a free ride on the backs of the rest of us-well I don&#039;t think so.  I believe that as long as people will be getting their fair share, they will be willing to do their fair share.  And I believe that all human beings will work less hours a week and not have to work as hard.  Timor of Athens of a bygone day of many centuries ago called money the whore of mankind-and he was right.  It took John of the Apocalypse to give that whore a name-her name is Babylon.  I really respect what Mr. Cook and Susan Boskey are saying and I believe that they are sincere.  But, I believe that the use of any medium of exchange is going to be swept away into the dusbins of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, here&#8217;s my two cents worth.  You may be able to put the financial oligarchy out of  business for a period of time, but, with the use of any medium of exchange, they will always have their foot in the door and eventually I feel that they will be back in power within a hundred years.  The only way to set the economy right is that NO ONE PAYS FOR ANYGTHING AT ALL.  Lest you think that that is giving things away free?  Well, we are working aren&#8217;t we?  Lest you think that individuals will not work and want a free ride on the backs of the rest of us-well I don&#8217;t think so.  I believe that as long as people will be getting their fair share, they will be willing to do their fair share.  And I believe that all human beings will work less hours a week and not have to work as hard.  Timor of Athens of a bygone day of many centuries ago called money the whore of mankind-and he was right.  It took John of the Apocalypse to give that whore a name-her name is Babylon.  I really respect what Mr. Cook and Susan Boskey are saying and I believe that they are sincere.  But, I believe that the use of any medium of exchange is going to be swept away into the dusbins of history.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15544</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All money currently is debt based, but that does not mean it necessarily needs to be that way.

Social Credit &quot;camps&quot; do not advocate a morotorium on all debt based money.  Douglas advocated the use of debt free credits to &quot;augment&quot; the debt based system because prices increase faster than incomes leading to ever increasing debt.

There is no confusion on &quot;what money is&quot; by those who advocate Social Credit.  Money is a ticketing system and a means of distribution of production.  The only people confused on &quot;what money is&quot; are the people who believe that money is a commodity and therefore has value in and of itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All money currently is debt based, but that does not mean it necessarily needs to be that way.</p>
<p>Social Credit &#8220;camps&#8221; do not advocate a morotorium on all debt based money.  Douglas advocated the use of debt free credits to &#8220;augment&#8221; the debt based system because prices increase faster than incomes leading to ever increasing debt.</p>
<p>There is no confusion on &#8220;what money is&#8221; by those who advocate Social Credit.  Money is a ticketing system and a means of distribution of production.  The only people confused on &#8220;what money is&#8221; are the people who believe that money is a commodity and therefore has value in and of itself.</p>
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		<title>By: P Scott</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15529</link>
		<dc:creator>P Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I generally go along with your premise, there are two things worth clarifying:

1. &quot;it [UBI/ND] was the rightful share of the entire population in the producing bounty of an industrial economy&quot;

Lets be clear here, UBI isn’t to be budget funded. Its paid for by the charges placed on users for access to assets that belong to everybody, for example, carbon sinks, minerals, radio spectrum, fishing quota etc. While we have some of these charges today on a very few assets, they tend to take the form of property rights and not perpetual tax-like charges, the latter being fairer. Extending, and correctly valuing these charges to all national/global assets will indeed generate a fortune, and have a dual conservation benefit.

2. I gather you are writing  a book on money, so be mindful of language. Some of the terms you use are unhelpful.

&quot;a debt-based currency&quot;:
All money systems, good or bad, are by definition based on debt and credit. That’s how trade is enacted. 

&quot;A moratorium will be placed on collection of all debts created &#039;out of nothing&#039; by financial institutions&quot;:
Ditto. This is an emotional phrase being used by the Social Credit leaning camps of  the monetary reform movement. But it reveals a regrettable lack of understanding of what money is. See below.

&quot;treating credit and the creation of the money supply as a public utility&quot;:
Agreed. 

&quot;placing control of the monetary system under a Monetary Control Board&quot;:
No this is just another means of control. Money doesn’t require control, in the sense that &#039;someone has to decide how much money to make available&#039;. That’s only applicable if you believe that the government or someone needs to create enough money for us to use. But if you understand that with the use of credit clearing/mutual credit systems you don’t need to first create money in order to use it, then the newly nationalized banks will simply provide an accounting system.

Banks today do this quite well. They provide an accounting system, that debits the purchasers account and credits the sellers. The problem though is that banks pathologize, and then misappropriate the proceeds of that debt.  Day to day trading debts are fundamentally debts to the trading community, not debts to the bank. That is a slight of hand. Therefore the ‘so called’ cost of that debt, the ‘interest’ shouldn’t accrue to the bank but to the trading community.  That’s theft.

The easiest way to understand this is to imagine a new community, where everyone starts with $0 in their account. If no-one can go into debt, then no-one can buy anything. Someone has to go into debt briefly in order to reciprocate. If you get this then it will always strike you as odd when banks dishonour transactions when your account is overdrawn. That’s precisely how they create money scarcity, by limiting debt to specially rationed, profitable mechanisms like mortgages, debentures and bonds, issued to “approved” people at exorbitant rates. They can, because they have first outlawed that with which ordinary traders need to enact trade, essentially a free overdraft.

Obviously management and securing those trading debts remains a necessity, but ironically and indeed paradoxically when debt stops being pathologized peoples debts will be much smaller.  This is because by freeing up trade, and substantially eradicating bank usurped interest, economic productivity will soar, and large capital oriented debts will become a thing of the past. Governments especially will never need to borrow for anything ever again.

&quot;fund a new national monetary system&quot;
So, a money system doesn’t need funding. That’s my point. Money is not a tangible asset, simply a tool to enact trade.

&quot; The National Dividend had saved America&quot;
No, that’s just a side benefit. Unseating the banks saved America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I generally go along with your premise, there are two things worth clarifying:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;it [UBI/ND] was the rightful share of the entire population in the producing bounty of an industrial economy&#8221;</p>
<p>Lets be clear here, UBI isn’t to be budget funded. Its paid for by the charges placed on users for access to assets that belong to everybody, for example, carbon sinks, minerals, radio spectrum, fishing quota etc. While we have some of these charges today on a very few assets, they tend to take the form of property rights and not perpetual tax-like charges, the latter being fairer. Extending, and correctly valuing these charges to all national/global assets will indeed generate a fortune, and have a dual conservation benefit.</p>
<p>2. I gather you are writing  a book on money, so be mindful of language. Some of the terms you use are unhelpful.</p>
<p>&#8220;a debt-based currency&#8221;:<br />
All money systems, good or bad, are by definition based on debt and credit. That’s how trade is enacted. </p>
<p>&#8220;A moratorium will be placed on collection of all debts created &#8216;out of nothing&#8217; by financial institutions&#8221;:<br />
Ditto. This is an emotional phrase being used by the Social Credit leaning camps of  the monetary reform movement. But it reveals a regrettable lack of understanding of what money is. See below.</p>
<p>&#8220;treating credit and the creation of the money supply as a public utility&#8221;:<br />
Agreed. </p>
<p>&#8220;placing control of the monetary system under a Monetary Control Board&#8221;:<br />
No this is just another means of control. Money doesn’t require control, in the sense that &#8217;someone has to decide how much money to make available&#8217;. That’s only applicable if you believe that the government or someone needs to create enough money for us to use. But if you understand that with the use of credit clearing/mutual credit systems you don’t need to first create money in order to use it, then the newly nationalized banks will simply provide an accounting system.</p>
<p>Banks today do this quite well. They provide an accounting system, that debits the purchasers account and credits the sellers. The problem though is that banks pathologize, and then misappropriate the proceeds of that debt.  Day to day trading debts are fundamentally debts to the trading community, not debts to the bank. That is a slight of hand. Therefore the ‘so called’ cost of that debt, the ‘interest’ shouldn’t accrue to the bank but to the trading community.  That’s theft.</p>
<p>The easiest way to understand this is to imagine a new community, where everyone starts with $0 in their account. If no-one can go into debt, then no-one can buy anything. Someone has to go into debt briefly in order to reciprocate. If you get this then it will always strike you as odd when banks dishonour transactions when your account is overdrawn. That’s precisely how they create money scarcity, by limiting debt to specially rationed, profitable mechanisms like mortgages, debentures and bonds, issued to “approved” people at exorbitant rates. They can, because they have first outlawed that with which ordinary traders need to enact trade, essentially a free overdraft.</p>
<p>Obviously management and securing those trading debts remains a necessity, but ironically and indeed paradoxically when debt stops being pathologized peoples debts will be much smaller.  This is because by freeing up trade, and substantially eradicating bank usurped interest, economic productivity will soar, and large capital oriented debts will become a thing of the past. Governments especially will never need to borrow for anything ever again.</p>
<p>&#8220;fund a new national monetary system&#8221;<br />
So, a money system doesn’t need funding. That’s my point. Money is not a tangible asset, simply a tool to enact trade.</p>
<p>&#8221; The National Dividend had saved America&#8221;<br />
No, that’s just a side benefit. Unseating the banks saved America.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15490</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The economics of the left and the right are dead-ends.

The right holds to monetarist theories of Milton Friedman, and the left adheres to the theories of J.M Keynes.  Neither truly understands the systemic causes of inflation, or the gap between income and prices.  Monetarists simply ignore the gap, and claim it doesn&#039;t exist, and Keynsians want to eliminate the gap through increase capital production and/or increased government spending.

Keynsianism is inflationary, and unsustainable.  Monetarism makes the &quot;cure&quot; worse than the &quot;disease&quot;.

The only sustainable solution is the adoption of a dividend and price rebate as Richard Cook has been suggesting based upon the recognition of the fact that technology is displacing the need for labour in the productive process, and the real cost of production is consumption over an equivalent period of time.  C.H. Douglas was the first person to understand that prices rise faster than incomes, and his policy recommendations are the only way to overcome a debt based monetary system that keeps pushing us further and further into debt in order to consume goods that have already been produced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The economics of the left and the right are dead-ends.</p>
<p>The right holds to monetarist theories of Milton Friedman, and the left adheres to the theories of J.M Keynes.  Neither truly understands the systemic causes of inflation, or the gap between income and prices.  Monetarists simply ignore the gap, and claim it doesn&#8217;t exist, and Keynsians want to eliminate the gap through increase capital production and/or increased government spending.</p>
<p>Keynsianism is inflationary, and unsustainable.  Monetarism makes the &#8220;cure&#8221; worse than the &#8220;disease&#8221;.</p>
<p>The only sustainable solution is the adoption of a dividend and price rebate as Richard Cook has been suggesting based upon the recognition of the fact that technology is displacing the need for labour in the productive process, and the real cost of production is consumption over an equivalent period of time.  C.H. Douglas was the first person to understand that prices rise faster than incomes, and his policy recommendations are the only way to overcome a debt based monetary system that keeps pushing us further and further into debt in order to consume goods that have already been produced.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Zarlenga</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15471</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Zarlenga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick Cook&#039;s educational writings that our mistructured monetary system is an ultimate secular cause of our problems is both refreshing and very hopeful! The American Monetary Act, is found at the American Monetary Institute website, and comments and critiques are always invited.
Stephen Zarlenga, Director, American Monetary Institute
http://www.monetary.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick Cook&#8217;s educational writings that our mistructured monetary system is an ultimate secular cause of our problems is both refreshing and very hopeful! The American Monetary Act, is found at the American Monetary Institute website, and comments and critiques are always invited.<br />
Stephen Zarlenga, Director, American Monetary Institute<br />
<a href="http://www.monetary.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.monetary.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cook</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15457</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Deadbeat, capitalism is not the problem. It really doesn&#039;t matter who owns the means of production, because the issue is that the appreciation of the economy through the application of science and technology is stolen by  the financiers rather than returned to the people through a National Dividend. This is done through the debt-based monetary system. The answer is not more taxation of anybody. Indeed, if the principles of the American Monetary Act were applied the expenses of government could be paid through direct Greenback-type government expenditures and the tax burden could be reduced substantially. Deadbeat needs to start getting educated about the emerging monetary reform movement. Nader is a tax-and-spend liberal, which is why he has become increasingly irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Deadbeat, capitalism is not the problem. It really doesn&#8217;t matter who owns the means of production, because the issue is that the appreciation of the economy through the application of science and technology is stolen by  the financiers rather than returned to the people through a National Dividend. This is done through the debt-based monetary system. The answer is not more taxation of anybody. Indeed, if the principles of the American Monetary Act were applied the expenses of government could be paid through direct Greenback-type government expenditures and the tax burden could be reduced substantially. Deadbeat needs to start getting educated about the emerging monetary reform movement. Nader is a tax-and-spend liberal, which is why he has become increasingly irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: siamdave</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15454</link>
		<dc:creator>siamdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some facts about how the same thing has happened in Canada, it&#039;s all laid out in gruesome detail at Banketeering - how the banks have been stealing trillions from you, and the tap is still running http://www.rudemacedon.ca/dlp/box/box01-money.html .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some facts about how the same thing has happened in Canada, it&#8217;s all laid out in gruesome detail at Banketeering &#8211; how the banks have been stealing trillions from you, and the tap is still running <a href="http://www.rudemacedon.ca/dlp/box/box01-money.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rudemacedon.ca/dlp/box/box01-money.html</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15452</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Let’s bring it to 2007. If you had 300 words to put into the mouth of a presidential candidate, what would those words be?&lt;/i&gt;

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All the major candidates supports the rich and powerful that is why none of them offers single-payer national health care; all support Israel; none talk about cutting the bloated and wasteful military budget; none offer an urban renewal plan; repeal of Taft-Hartley; repeal of the Patriot Act; restoration of Welfare for the Poor; restoration of full unemployment benefits -- 52 weeks; etc.

People have to wake up to how Capitalism works and realize that Capitalism is an UNFAIR economic system.  If Capitalism remains as the basis of economy then safe-guards must be made against its deleterious aspects of power and wealth concentration.  The rich must pay highly progressive taxes for the benefits they reap from this unfair system.  That is what is meant by &quot;fair share&quot;. 

Mr. Cook has a flawed view of Capitalism as well as much of the rich people who run for office and why you cannot look to them for solutions to the problems of the working class.  People have to realize that their is a class war being waged against them and they are losing badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Let’s bring it to 2007. If you had 300 words to put into the mouth of a presidential candidate, what would those words be?</i></p>
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<p>All the major candidates supports the rich and powerful that is why none of them offers single-payer national health care; all support Israel; none talk about cutting the bloated and wasteful military budget; none offer an urban renewal plan; repeal of Taft-Hartley; repeal of the Patriot Act; restoration of Welfare for the Poor; restoration of full unemployment benefits &#8212; 52 weeks; etc.</p>
<p>People have to wake up to how Capitalism works and realize that Capitalism is an UNFAIR economic system.  If Capitalism remains as the basis of economy then safe-guards must be made against its deleterious aspects of power and wealth concentration.  The rich must pay highly progressive taxes for the benefits they reap from this unfair system.  That is what is meant by &#8220;fair share&#8221;. </p>
<p>Mr. Cook has a flawed view of Capitalism as well as much of the rich people who run for office and why you cannot look to them for solutions to the problems of the working class.  People have to realize that their is a class war being waged against them and they are losing badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15451</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Cook is incorrect about the debt crisis.  The debt crisis was not created by the Fed or the monetary system.   It was created by fiscal policies especially the fiscal policies of Ronald Reagan.  Reagan cut taxes on the rich and deregulated Capitalism while increasing military spending.  
About 80% of the debt is the result of past military expenditure and the current War in Iraq is estimated costing $3,000,000,000,000.00 (3 trillion dollars).

The FED is responsible for the stock market bubble of 2000 and the housing crisis for lacking oversight and was responsible for the deep recession of the early 1980&#039;s.  Rather than take serious action, Jimmy Carter allowed the FED to send the economy in a recession and shifted the oil price shock onto working people.

Your analysis is terribly flawed.  What is needed is a restoration of fiscal policy which restores the progressive tax structure and slashes military spending by redirecting that money to fixing domestic infrastructure.  In other words the U.S. has to withdraw from being an &quot;empire&quot; and start to get along with the rest of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Cook is incorrect about the debt crisis.  The debt crisis was not created by the Fed or the monetary system.   It was created by fiscal policies especially the fiscal policies of Ronald Reagan.  Reagan cut taxes on the rich and deregulated Capitalism while increasing military spending.<br />
About 80% of the debt is the result of past military expenditure and the current War in Iraq is estimated costing $3,000,000,000,000.00 (3 trillion dollars).</p>
<p>The FED is responsible for the stock market bubble of 2000 and the housing crisis for lacking oversight and was responsible for the deep recession of the early 1980&#8217;s.  Rather than take serious action, Jimmy Carter allowed the FED to send the economy in a recession and shifted the oil price shock onto working people.</p>
<p>Your analysis is terribly flawed.  What is needed is a restoration of fiscal policy which restores the progressive tax structure and slashes military spending by redirecting that money to fixing domestic infrastructure.  In other words the U.S. has to withdraw from being an &#8220;empire&#8221; and start to get along with the rest of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Boskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Boskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If not now....when?  If not us....who? As Deadbeat above said so well, we the people must demand such changes if they are ever to get &quot;on the table&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If not now&#8230;.when?  If not us&#8230;.who? As Deadbeat above said so well, we the people must demand such changes if they are ever to get &#8220;on the table&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: martin hattersley</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin hattersley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last, a breath of common sense in a situation that our current politicians seem unable either to grasp or control!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last, a breath of common sense in a situation that our current politicians seem unable either to grasp or control!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question was asked by Mr. Sawyer what a Presidential candidate running for office today should say. The following is suggested:

Coming out of World War II, the United States had built the world’s greatest industrial democracy. Despite the persistence of hard-core poverty in certain sectors of the economy, most Americans had decent jobs, could buy a home at a modest price, and get a good education for their kids. 
	These aspects of the American dream are being lost today, despite incredible technological progress and the amazing productivity of the global economy. The dream is being lost because the fruits of science and technology have fallen largely into the hands of an oligarchy of very rich people who control society and the economy through a debt-based monetary system. 
	Increasingly over the last generation, control has passed into the hands of this oligarchy of the monetary elite. They have gained control by drowning the entire society, including families, workers, businesses, and government, under a tsunami of debt, debt that can scarcely be imagined and can never be repaid. This debt now totals, by conservative estimates, approximately $50 trillion for all sectors, or four times the nation’s entire GDP.
	It is time now for a President, acting on behalf of the people, to take back control of our country from the oligarchs. This can be done through the simple expedient of treating credit and the creation of the money supply as a public utility, as critical to economic and social health as water or electricity. 
	On the day I am inaugurated as President, I will send legislation to Congress for the following:
1)	The Federal Reserve System, which has become the private plaything of the oligarchs in controlling the economy, will be abolished as a bank of issue;
2)	The American Monetary Act, as drafted by the American Monetary Association, will be enacted, placing control of the monetary system under a Monetary Control Board within the U.S. Department of the Treasury;
3)	A moratorium will be placed on collection of all debts created “out of nothing” by financial institutions which have abused their fractional reserve banking privileges;
4)	All lending by financial institutions for speculative purposes, including leveraged buyouts and other forms of leveraged lending for speculative purchase of assets, will be suspended;
5)	A new National Infrastructure Bank will be created within the executive branch to rebuild our physical economy and fund a new national monetary system;
6)	A debit line shall be created within the federal budget from which a National Dividend averaging $15,000 per person per year will be paid to all individuals as their fair share in the bounty of the world’s resources which the oligarchy has unfairly usurped. 

                      These measures will, within a matter of weeks, revitalize the economy, restore to individuals and families control of their own economic destiny, return our country to real economic democracy, and avert the social cataclysm that awaits if decisive measures are not taken without further delay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question was asked by Mr. Sawyer what a Presidential candidate running for office today should say. The following is suggested:</p>
<p>Coming out of World War II, the United States had built the world’s greatest industrial democracy. Despite the persistence of hard-core poverty in certain sectors of the economy, most Americans had decent jobs, could buy a home at a modest price, and get a good education for their kids.<br />
	These aspects of the American dream are being lost today, despite incredible technological progress and the amazing productivity of the global economy. The dream is being lost because the fruits of science and technology have fallen largely into the hands of an oligarchy of very rich people who control society and the economy through a debt-based monetary system.<br />
	Increasingly over the last generation, control has passed into the hands of this oligarchy of the monetary elite. They have gained control by drowning the entire society, including families, workers, businesses, and government, under a tsunami of debt, debt that can scarcely be imagined and can never be repaid. This debt now totals, by conservative estimates, approximately $50 trillion for all sectors, or four times the nation’s entire GDP.<br />
	It is time now for a President, acting on behalf of the people, to take back control of our country from the oligarchs. This can be done through the simple expedient of treating credit and the creation of the money supply as a public utility, as critical to economic and social health as water or electricity.<br />
	On the day I am inaugurated as President, I will send legislation to Congress for the following:<br />
1)	The Federal Reserve System, which has become the private plaything of the oligarchs in controlling the economy, will be abolished as a bank of issue;<br />
2)	The American Monetary Act, as drafted by the American Monetary Association, will be enacted, placing control of the monetary system under a Monetary Control Board within the U.S. Department of the Treasury;<br />
3)	A moratorium will be placed on collection of all debts created “out of nothing” by financial institutions which have abused their fractional reserve banking privileges;<br />
4)	All lending by financial institutions for speculative purposes, including leveraged buyouts and other forms of leveraged lending for speculative purchase of assets, will be suspended;<br />
5)	A new National Infrastructure Bank will be created within the executive branch to rebuild our physical economy and fund a new national monetary system;<br />
6)	A debit line shall be created within the federal budget from which a National Dividend averaging $15,000 per person per year will be paid to all individuals as their fair share in the bounty of the world’s resources which the oligarchy has unfairly usurped. </p>
<p>                      These measures will, within a matter of weeks, revitalize the economy, restore to individuals and families control of their own economic destiny, return our country to real economic democracy, and avert the social cataclysm that awaits if decisive measures are not taken without further delay.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Sawyer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15362</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Sawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s bring it  to 2007. If you had 300 words to put into the mouth of a presidential candidate, what would those words be?</description>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/02/finally-economic-sanity-returns-to-america/#comment-15361</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Cook you are mistaken about Roosevelt.   What changed Roosevelt was the people and the direct action taken by the people.  Also in the 1930 there was a robust left such as the Communist Party and the Socialist Party that provided alternative ideas to Capitalism.  The left is weak and the people are too indoctrinated and made passive.  This is why you have Obama not even advocating single-payer health care which is badly needed.

You cannot have a &quot;strong&quot; president unless you have people DEMANDING progressive change.  Progressives have been unwilling to make demands for a very long time and the left has been fractured by its own internal divisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Cook you are mistaken about Roosevelt.   What changed Roosevelt was the people and the direct action taken by the people.  Also in the 1930 there was a robust left such as the Communist Party and the Socialist Party that provided alternative ideas to Capitalism.  The left is weak and the people are too indoctrinated and made passive.  This is why you have Obama not even advocating single-payer health care which is badly needed.</p>
<p>You cannot have a &#8220;strong&#8221; president unless you have people DEMANDING progressive change.  Progressives have been unwilling to make demands for a very long time and the left has been fractured by its own internal divisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the ruling class will not &quot;willingly&quot; give up its power. The point of my post is that its power must be taken back by a strong President--acting for the sake of the people who are suffering under the
tyranny of the oligarchy. Roosevelt did it, and it now must be done again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the ruling class will not &#8220;willingly&#8221; give up its power. The point of my post is that its power must be taken back by a strong President&#8211;acting for the sake of the people who are suffering under the<br />
tyranny of the oligarchy. Roosevelt did it, and it now must be done again.</p>
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