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	<title>Comments on: Who the Left Should Support in &#8216;08 and Why</title>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-14229</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for saying what needs to be said about the national Democratic Party.  It is irrational to invest any time, money, energy and hope in any of the Presidential candidates remaining in the race (i.e., those having enough corporate and media support to stay on TV).  

Progressives must identify and support real progressive candidates for the Congress wherever they can be found, regardless of their party affiliation.  Targeting Bush-Democrats like Pelosi is perhaps more important than targeting Republicans.  We may be able to expect the electorate to punish the Republicans to some extent for their obvious and miserable failure to govern, but if the replacements are led by the likes of Pelosi and Reid then the nation has gained nothing.  

There are a number of organizations out there attempting to identify and support insurgent progressives for Congress (usually on the Democratic line), but their criteria and methods vary considerably.   In most states, there will be at least one progressive running for Congress either in the Democratic primary  or as a third-party candidate in November - they deserve our support.  Nationally, nothing could send a stronger message to the establishment than the defeat of Speaker Pelosi.  Go Cindy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for saying what needs to be said about the national Democratic Party.  It is irrational to invest any time, money, energy and hope in any of the Presidential candidates remaining in the race (i.e., those having enough corporate and media support to stay on TV).  </p>
<p>Progressives must identify and support real progressive candidates for the Congress wherever they can be found, regardless of their party affiliation.  Targeting Bush-Democrats like Pelosi is perhaps more important than targeting Republicans.  We may be able to expect the electorate to punish the Republicans to some extent for their obvious and miserable failure to govern, but if the replacements are led by the likes of Pelosi and Reid then the nation has gained nothing.  </p>
<p>There are a number of organizations out there attempting to identify and support insurgent progressives for Congress (usually on the Democratic line), but their criteria and methods vary considerably.   In most states, there will be at least one progressive running for Congress either in the Democratic primary  or as a third-party candidate in November &#8211; they deserve our support.  Nationally, nothing could send a stronger message to the establishment than the defeat of Speaker Pelosi.  Go Cindy!</p>
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		<title>By: ajohnstone</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13339</link>
		<dc:creator>ajohnstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather vote for something I want and not get it than vote for something I don&#039;t want, and get it. 

 Eugene Debs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather vote for something I want and not get it than vote for something I don&#8217;t want, and get it. </p>
<p> Eugene Debs</p>
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		<title>By: John Halle</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13176</link>
		<dc:creator>John Halle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much for the discussion, everyone.  A few responses.

First, I don&#039;t think I made sufficiently clear in the piece that I don&#039;t support Huckabee and regard him with a mixture of suspicion and contempt.  Rather, what I&#039;m opening up for consideration is a strategic vote for him in the Republican primary-or, putting it differently, engaging in a legal form of sabotage.  If successful the result of this strategy will be that 1) the most unelectable Republican gets nominated 2) the schism between the theocratic and the corporate wings will result in a full fracturing of the party and 3) that if nominated Huckabee&#039;s economic populism will force the Dem nominee to address issues of corporate accountability and bread and butter economics which they would  feel no pressure to do with McCain as opponent.  

Given that there is no vote in the Democratic primary which will have any positive political impact, why not consider this?  An out-of-the-box idea, I admit, but aren&#039;t radicals supposed to be capable of considering radical ideas? Incidentally, you can be sure that the right engages in all sorts of sabotage of the left, though maybe not of this particular sort.

As for supporting an independent and/or Green campaigns, yes, by all means.  I am very impressed with McKinney&#039;s generally and her appearance at the recent San Francisco debate in particular where she made the following remarks:

“The Green Party needs to stop being divided. We need to unite the party. We must face the machine of corporate politics and we can’t do it divided. I’ve have never seen something like this like I see now in the Green Party. So please let’s come together.”

The attitudes McKinney is referring to are luridly displayed on on this list including by some of those who claim to support her.  Let&#039;s hope they will begin to recognize their own role in what McKinney recognizes as the descent of the party in to almost total insignificance in recent years.

While I&#039;m impressed with McKinney, I agree with Ross Mirikami that there is no evidence that what happens at the national level helps the party do what it needs to do which is to build an electoral foundation at the local and then state levels .  Again, I&#039;ve tried to make the argument repeatedly that this is what the party needs to do-and I&#039;ve walked the walk in addition to talking the talk. It would be nice if those above who seem so enthusiastic on lecturing to me on this point would get their thumbs out of their asses and turn their attention to what is necessary to get this ball rolling. I have seen no indication that any of them have done so.  Note that this requires actual practical political work-talking with neighbors, coworkers, compiling databases, raising money, filing ballot access petitions, familiarize one&#039;s self with election law-there is no glamour in it, and it does not provide the opportunity to hobnob with various left celebrities, a primary concern of the starfucking, elitist left wannabes-not an insignificant constituency, alas.

Of course, this discussion is of no interest to what appears to be the majority of leftists who have no interest in &quot;building&quot; the Green Party-or any political institution, for that matter, as the piece notes.   As we have seen on DV, they are always the first to chime in with denunciations of this or that deviation from ideological purity or failures to maintain strict adherence to an idealized hyper-democratic &quot;process&quot;. 

It is unfortunate that they seem, at the moment, to have a lock on most of the higher profile left blogs.  

That said, I&#039;m grateful that DV is at least open to running perspectives which challenge  the dominant views on these questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much for the discussion, everyone.  A few responses.</p>
<p>First, I don&#8217;t think I made sufficiently clear in the piece that I don&#8217;t support Huckabee and regard him with a mixture of suspicion and contempt.  Rather, what I&#8217;m opening up for consideration is a strategic vote for him in the Republican primary-or, putting it differently, engaging in a legal form of sabotage.  If successful the result of this strategy will be that 1) the most unelectable Republican gets nominated 2) the schism between the theocratic and the corporate wings will result in a full fracturing of the party and 3) that if nominated Huckabee&#8217;s economic populism will force the Dem nominee to address issues of corporate accountability and bread and butter economics which they would  feel no pressure to do with McCain as opponent.  </p>
<p>Given that there is no vote in the Democratic primary which will have any positive political impact, why not consider this?  An out-of-the-box idea, I admit, but aren&#8217;t radicals supposed to be capable of considering radical ideas? Incidentally, you can be sure that the right engages in all sorts of sabotage of the left, though maybe not of this particular sort.</p>
<p>As for supporting an independent and/or Green campaigns, yes, by all means.  I am very impressed with McKinney&#8217;s generally and her appearance at the recent San Francisco debate in particular where she made the following remarks:</p>
<p>“The Green Party needs to stop being divided. We need to unite the party. We must face the machine of corporate politics and we can’t do it divided. I’ve have never seen something like this like I see now in the Green Party. So please let’s come together.”</p>
<p>The attitudes McKinney is referring to are luridly displayed on on this list including by some of those who claim to support her.  Let&#8217;s hope they will begin to recognize their own role in what McKinney recognizes as the descent of the party in to almost total insignificance in recent years.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m impressed with McKinney, I agree with Ross Mirikami that there is no evidence that what happens at the national level helps the party do what it needs to do which is to build an electoral foundation at the local and then state levels .  Again, I&#8217;ve tried to make the argument repeatedly that this is what the party needs to do-and I&#8217;ve walked the walk in addition to talking the talk. It would be nice if those above who seem so enthusiastic on lecturing to me on this point would get their thumbs out of their asses and turn their attention to what is necessary to get this ball rolling. I have seen no indication that any of them have done so.  Note that this requires actual practical political work-talking with neighbors, coworkers, compiling databases, raising money, filing ballot access petitions, familiarize one&#8217;s self with election law-there is no glamour in it, and it does not provide the opportunity to hobnob with various left celebrities, a primary concern of the starfucking, elitist left wannabes-not an insignificant constituency, alas.</p>
<p>Of course, this discussion is of no interest to what appears to be the majority of leftists who have no interest in &#8220;building&#8221; the Green Party-or any political institution, for that matter, as the piece notes.   As we have seen on DV, they are always the first to chime in with denunciations of this or that deviation from ideological purity or failures to maintain strict adherence to an idealized hyper-democratic &#8220;process&#8221;. </p>
<p>It is unfortunate that they seem, at the moment, to have a lock on most of the higher profile left blogs.  </p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m grateful that DV is at least open to running perspectives which challenge  the dominant views on these questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Harmoon</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13169</link>
		<dc:creator>Harmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The major strategic mistake of all of us is to prioritize based on hallow words as left or right without explaining their meanings from our point of view. Does it worse a damn if this cruel Empire ruin the world but throw few crums in the plate of a middle class? The reality is the foreign policy of US is the priority not &quot;Left&quot; or &quot;right&quot; or democrat or republican or liberal or conservative. All are prostitutes of the same Epire with different attire. Vote for antiwar candidate, if you close to republicans vote for Ron Paul, if you are close for democrats vote for Michael Gravel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The major strategic mistake of all of us is to prioritize based on hallow words as left or right without explaining their meanings from our point of view. Does it worse a damn if this cruel Empire ruin the world but throw few crums in the plate of a middle class? The reality is the foreign policy of US is the priority not &#8220;Left&#8221; or &#8220;right&#8221; or democrat or republican or liberal or conservative. All are prostitutes of the same Epire with different attire. Vote for antiwar candidate, if you close to republicans vote for Ron Paul, if you are close for democrats vote for Michael Gravel.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron James</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13167</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try this on for size. Instead of  justifying staying away from electoral politics on the grounds Halle says Chomsky does -  regards &quot;electoral politics and elections as celebrity driven affairs unworthy of the attention of serious activists — at best a circus and at worst a dangerous diversion of our energies&quot; - why not see not voting as an act of non-cooperation in a corrupt political system, an act intended to further weaken the credibility of an already discredited political system. Halle argues that &quot;even in their mortally compromised state, we ignore elections and organizing around elections at our peril.&quot; He attributes the left&#039;s marginal status in the U.S. as significantly caused by such attitudes. Besides being dead wrong about this connection - the left is weak for a slew of other reasons little related to its skepticism about participating in electoral politics -  Halle overlooks the possibilities in actively joining and organizing our biggest existing political bloc which is the majority of non-voting citizens. Together we can help bring down the current facade of democracy represented by the current political system by making  it even more meaningless than it already is - if nobody or at least a very small number of us showed up to vote then the system would implode and the formation of a more democratic one would be on the table. Think of it this way - every vote, no matter for who, is an action which maintains an ever expanding masquerade stifling meaningful political debate, meaningful reforms and slams the door on the evolution of a just and humane socio-economic system in this country.
John Halles&#039; chatter about the candidates in reality supports the continuation of what most of know is a rotting corpse -- U.S. electoral politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try this on for size. Instead of  justifying staying away from electoral politics on the grounds Halle says Chomsky does &#8211;  regards &#8220;electoral politics and elections as celebrity driven affairs unworthy of the attention of serious activists — at best a circus and at worst a dangerous diversion of our energies&#8221; &#8211; why not see not voting as an act of non-cooperation in a corrupt political system, an act intended to further weaken the credibility of an already discredited political system. Halle argues that &#8220;even in their mortally compromised state, we ignore elections and organizing around elections at our peril.&#8221; He attributes the left&#8217;s marginal status in the U.S. as significantly caused by such attitudes. Besides being dead wrong about this connection &#8211; the left is weak for a slew of other reasons little related to its skepticism about participating in electoral politics &#8211;  Halle overlooks the possibilities in actively joining and organizing our biggest existing political bloc which is the majority of non-voting citizens. Together we can help bring down the current facade of democracy represented by the current political system by making  it even more meaningless than it already is &#8211; if nobody or at least a very small number of us showed up to vote then the system would implode and the formation of a more democratic one would be on the table. Think of it this way &#8211; every vote, no matter for who, is an action which maintains an ever expanding masquerade stifling meaningful political debate, meaningful reforms and slams the door on the evolution of a just and humane socio-economic system in this country.<br />
John Halles&#8217; chatter about the candidates in reality supports the continuation of what most of know is a rotting corpse &#8212; U.S. electoral politics.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13138</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Angela Davis, Nader,  McKinney - any one of them would be a good president.  How about Ward Churchill for president !  That would really make a statement.      
For those who missed the dems debate last night, it was NOT a debate. It was a love fest.  Very sad.  Kucinich was kept out by the Court. The 3 dems should have refused to &quot;debate&quot;  as an act of solidarity with him. But on the brighter side - this morning on Democracy Now Kucinich again said that the USA should pay reparations to Iraq. That was a courageous statement coming from a politician.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angela Davis, Nader,  McKinney &#8211; any one of them would be a good president.  How about Ward Churchill for president !  That would really make a statement.<br />
For those who missed the dems debate last night, it was NOT a debate. It was a love fest.  Very sad.  Kucinich was kept out by the Court. The 3 dems should have refused to &#8220;debate&#8221;  as an act of solidarity with him. But on the brighter side &#8211; this morning on Democracy Now Kucinich again said that the USA should pay reparations to Iraq. That was a courageous statement coming from a politician.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13136</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat: 

John Halle’s is joking.  He has done it in the past.   It is called speculative fiction.  Who wants to vote for Huchabee?  Unless you are a naïve person.  The “president” of the United States more correctly, the manager, is more likely to be changed by the corporations and forces protecting the interest of corporations than to “change” the established economic system which benefits the rich and not those who have been neglected.  
Huchabee&#039;s  foreign policy is copied from the Zionist notebook and that is to arm the Kurds up to their teeth to extend the Zionist state to bring more war and destruction through which to rub the regions’ resources through  rules of the game “divide and rule” manipulation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat: </p>
<p>John Halle’s is joking.  He has done it in the past.   It is called speculative fiction.  Who wants to vote for Huchabee?  Unless you are a naïve person.  The “president” of the United States more correctly, the manager, is more likely to be changed by the corporations and forces protecting the interest of corporations than to “change” the established economic system which benefits the rich and not those who have been neglected.<br />
Huchabee&#8217;s  foreign policy is copied from the Zionist notebook and that is to arm the Kurds up to their teeth to extend the Zionist state to bring more war and destruction through which to rub the regions’ resources through  rules of the game “divide and rule” manipulation</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffk</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13131</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see voting for Huckabee because he has a bit of anti-free trade shtick going on, but his theocratic preaching is pretty scary. Even more scary because that&#039;s the type of thing that could lead to him getting elected and laws being passed -- because which spineless Dem will stand up against the Good Lord Jesus being written into the Constitution?
That&#039;s why I think I&#039;ll vote for Ron Paul when I cross over to vote in the Rep primary in my state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see voting for Huckabee because he has a bit of anti-free trade shtick going on, but his theocratic preaching is pretty scary. Even more scary because that&#8217;s the type of thing that could lead to him getting elected and laws being passed &#8212; because which spineless Dem will stand up against the Good Lord Jesus being written into the Constitution?<br />
That&#8217;s why I think I&#8217;ll vote for Ron Paul when I cross over to vote in the Rep primary in my state.</p>
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		<title>By: joed</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13127</link>
		<dc:creator>joed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, your vote hasn&#039;t counted for 7+ years why would you think your vote will count this year?!  but, if you don&#039;t vote then the thugs are pleased.  but if say 20% of dem votes went to Cynthia McKinney that would give the dems real concern for the 2010 election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, your vote hasn&#8217;t counted for 7+ years why would you think your vote will count this year?!  but, if you don&#8217;t vote then the thugs are pleased.  but if say 20% of dem votes went to Cynthia McKinney that would give the dems real concern for the 2010 election.</p>
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		<title>By: joed</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13126</link>
		<dc:creator>joed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would for sure vote for Cynthia McKinney and maybe the Green Party.  Another write-in could be Angela Davis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would for sure vote for Cynthia McKinney and maybe the Green Party.  Another write-in could be Angela Davis.</p>
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		<title>By: joed</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13125</link>
		<dc:creator>joed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems the &quot;party&quot; doesn&#039;t really matter any more.  I will never again vote for a candidate that I consider the lesser of 2 evils.  I will only vote for a person I want to represent me.  Perhaps the worse thing the left could do is to not vote at all.  It would be better to write in your own name or maybe &quot;Gilda Radner&quot;  or ???.  If votes from the left go to &quot;left field&quot;  then what could be better.  Not voting is just what the thugs want so just write-in someone ie; Kurt Vonnegut,  John Halle, Noam chomsky,  Yoseph Stalin, Alan Watts  etc.  Short of having a viable candidate and seeing the need to vote then what else can we on the left do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems the &#8220;party&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really matter any more.  I will never again vote for a candidate that I consider the lesser of 2 evils.  I will only vote for a person I want to represent me.  Perhaps the worse thing the left could do is to not vote at all.  It would be better to write in your own name or maybe &#8220;Gilda Radner&#8221;  or ???.  If votes from the left go to &#8220;left field&#8221;  then what could be better.  Not voting is just what the thugs want so just write-in someone ie; Kurt Vonnegut,  John Halle, Noam chomsky,  Yoseph Stalin, Alan Watts  etc.  Short of having a viable candidate and seeing the need to vote then what else can we on the left do?</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13124</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron is correct.  Supporting Huckabee makes absolutely no sense.  I can see folks desiring Ron Paul because they want an end to the war on Iraq.  However Huckabee wants to maintain the war in Iraq and the racist &quot;War on Terrorism&quot;.

Mike McNiven is also correct about Chomsky and the Zionist &quot;left&quot; who abandoned the anti-war movement for the pro-war Democrats/ABB/Safe-State strategy in 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron is correct.  Supporting Huckabee makes absolutely no sense.  I can see folks desiring Ron Paul because they want an end to the war on Iraq.  However Huckabee wants to maintain the war in Iraq and the racist &#8220;War on Terrorism&#8221;.</p>
<p>Mike McNiven is also correct about Chomsky and the Zionist &#8220;left&#8221; who abandoned the anti-war movement for the pro-war Democrats/ABB/Safe-State strategy in 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Support the Green Party.  The likely candidate (I hope) will be Cynthia McKinney.  She provided an alternative and working with the Greens helps to build the party and attract people who are alienated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Support the Green Party.  The likely candidate (I hope) will be Cynthia McKinney.  She provided an alternative and working with the Greens helps to build the party and attract people who are alienated.</p>
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		<title>By: Seven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why must it always be: &quot;who should the left support&quot; or &quot;who should the right support&quot;.

Why can&#039;t it ever be &quot;who should the PEOPLE support&quot;?

Stop allowing corporate media to pit yourselves against one another.  Look at your passports - they all say American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why must it always be: &#8220;who should the left support&#8221; or &#8220;who should the right support&#8221;.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t it ever be &#8220;who should the PEOPLE support&#8221;?</p>
<p>Stop allowing corporate media to pit yourselves against one another.  Look at your passports &#8211; they all say American.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would anyone claiming to be left suggest voting for Huckabee? One must be very careful what one wishes for.  Huckabee is a know-nothing wannabe theocrat with a folksy manner that belies his authoritarian program.   Let&#039;s face it, elections in the US at the presidential level are a show and mockery of the very word democracy.  In this light, voting for a so-called fringe candidate makes complete sense, especially since all the mainstream candidates are beholden to the same monied interests and not the voters.  
Voting for state and local candidates that are not from the DemoRepublicans makes a lot of sense because they can actually win.  Of course, what happens to the winners after they go to Washington is hard to predict (Bernie Sanders is certainly not a radical anymore).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would anyone claiming to be left suggest voting for Huckabee? One must be very careful what one wishes for.  Huckabee is a know-nothing wannabe theocrat with a folksy manner that belies his authoritarian program.   Let&#8217;s face it, elections in the US at the presidential level are a show and mockery of the very word democracy.  In this light, voting for a so-called fringe candidate makes complete sense, especially since all the mainstream candidates are beholden to the same monied interests and not the voters.<br />
Voting for state and local candidates that are not from the DemoRepublicans makes a lot of sense because they can actually win.  Of course, what happens to the winners after they go to Washington is hard to predict (Bernie Sanders is certainly not a radical anymore).</p>
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		<title>By: PatrickSMcNally</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13109</link>
		<dc:creator>PatrickSMcNally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Socialist Equality Party is able to run candidates again as they did in 2004

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/sep2004/prog-s20.shtml

and 2006

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/sep2006/prog-s28.shtml

then it will be worth casting a vote.  Apart from something of this type with a clearly formulated socialist program, it&#039;s a waste of time and a bad diversion for people to focus on the elections.

20 years ago your description of Chomsky would have been accurate.  But if you&#039;ve been awake then you should know that Chomsky has slid down the hill in his late years and actually endorsed Kerry in 2004.  That can be taken as a lesson in the failures of anarchism.  But it&#039;s not a reason to start voting for Democrats.  If a vote is to be cast it should be for a party like the SEP which offers a real alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Socialist Equality Party is able to run candidates again as they did in 2004</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/sep2004/prog-s20.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/sep2004/prog-s20.shtml</a></p>
<p>and 2006</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/sep2006/prog-s28.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/sep2006/prog-s28.shtml</a></p>
<p>then it will be worth casting a vote.  Apart from something of this type with a clearly formulated socialist program, it&#8217;s a waste of time and a bad diversion for people to focus on the elections.</p>
<p>20 years ago your description of Chomsky would have been accurate.  But if you&#8217;ve been awake then you should know that Chomsky has slid down the hill in his late years and actually endorsed Kerry in 2004.  That can be taken as a lesson in the failures of anarchism.  But it&#8217;s not a reason to start voting for Democrats.  If a vote is to be cast it should be for a party like the SEP which offers a real alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13106</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m not sure, but I could swear I just read something that seemed to suggest that Noam Chomsky actually has &#039;contempt for organization&#039;. it&#039;s not stated explicitly, but it&#039;s linked just like Bush did his Iraq/9-11 stuff.

whenever asked, &quot;What should we do?&quot;, Chomsky always has a single word answer - &#039;organize&#039;.

http://www.chomskyviewer.org/web/The%20Chomsky%20Viewer_files/slide0308.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m not sure, but I could swear I just read something that seemed to suggest that Noam Chomsky actually has &#8216;contempt for organization&#8217;. it&#8217;s not stated explicitly, but it&#8217;s linked just like Bush did his Iraq/9-11 stuff.</p>
<p>whenever asked, &#8220;What should we do?&#8221;, Chomsky always has a single word answer &#8211; &#8216;organize&#8217;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chomskyviewer.org/web/The%20Chomsky%20Viewer_files/slide0308.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.chomskyviewer.org/web/The%20Chomsky%20Viewer_files/slide0308.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike McNiven</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/who-the-left-should-support-in-08-and-why/#comment-13101</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McNiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr.Halle ,
Your ststement about Chomsky is factually wrong! I wished it was true because then he had to do something about it instead of talk, talk, talk,...
In 2004 he waged a nauseating campaign in support of... John Kerry! (no wonder he likes to put down Marx all the time)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr.Halle ,<br />
Your ststement about Chomsky is factually wrong! I wished it was true because then he had to do something about it instead of talk, talk, talk,&#8230;<br />
In 2004 he waged a nauseating campaign in support of&#8230; John Kerry! (no wonder he likes to put down Marx all the time)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Patton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People already know it&#039;s bad.  They feel no hope.</description>
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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgive you this rant on electoral &quot;strategies,&quot; in part because the illusions you spout must&#039;ve been formed by the experience of being a Alderman in New Haven; yet the realities of an alderman and the President are many dimensions apart. The cognitive dissonance that is so glibly offered -- everyone&#039;s bought off or revealed as a dead-end, so let&#039;s instead play some pseudo-Machiavellian electoral manipulations -- boggles the mind. As long as the seduction of elections, as they are presently constructed, remains as the last hook into &quot;making&quot; this destructive system &quot;work,&quot; the people of the world and the planetary ecosystem will forever remain in jeopardy. I can only hope that as a result of this latest essay the &quot;minority&quot; you have aimed this at has actually gotten that much smaller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgive you this rant on electoral &#8220;strategies,&#8221; in part because the illusions you spout must&#8217;ve been formed by the experience of being a Alderman in New Haven; yet the realities of an alderman and the President are many dimensions apart. The cognitive dissonance that is so glibly offered &#8212; everyone&#8217;s bought off or revealed as a dead-end, so let&#8217;s instead play some pseudo-Machiavellian electoral manipulations &#8212; boggles the mind. As long as the seduction of elections, as they are presently constructed, remains as the last hook into &#8220;making&#8221; this destructive system &#8220;work,&#8221; the people of the world and the planetary ecosystem will forever remain in jeopardy. I can only hope that as a result of this latest essay the &#8220;minority&#8221; you have aimed this at has actually gotten that much smaller.</p>
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