Comments on: Progress in Iraq? http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Shabnam http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12861 Shabnam Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:10:55 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12861 In Iraq, majority of the killings, car bombing, death squad and other forms of violence are carried out by the United States, Israel and other states such as Saudi Arabia. Articles which do not reflect realities of the invasion are misleading. According to a former Iraqi collaborator who recalled: “I was a soldier in the Iraqi army in the war of 1991… decided to seek asylum in Saudi Arabia. That was how began the process whereby I was recruited into the American forces….to join them and be transported to America. I was one of those,” He tells others that he was transported to an island where most of the establishments were military. He along others received military training and English lessons and to carry out assassination of Iraqi people. Most of the car bombing is done and directed by Americans who placing a bomb inside cars as they are being searched at checkpoints. Another way is to put bombs in the cars during interrogations. After the desired person is summoned to one of the US bases, a bomb is place in his car and he is asked to drive to a police station or a marked for some purpose and then his car blows up. Since Americans are doing most of the killings, therefore, they can manipulate number of deaths to meet specific political goals. For example, in order to show that the “surge” is working so they can fool American to submission and make them a partner in killing of Muslims in large numbers, then they arrange a SHOW which is named the surge through which they can manipulate numbers of death to a desired result. Majority of rapes and torture are carried out by Americans and their collaborators. The Kurds have spied for Israel for the last fifty years and North of Iraq now is a spy network of Israel and US and they are cooperating fully with the occupiers. Only the fools believe that Bin Laden is hiding somewhere and directing al-Qaeda. Musharraf and Bhutto have already said that Bin Laden is DEATH. There is no al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda is the United States where majority of the killings in Iraq are carried out by the occupier Israeli style. http://heyetnet.org/en/content/view/490/27/ In Iraq, majority of the killings, car bombing, death squad and other forms of violence are carried out by the United States, Israel and other states such as Saudi Arabia.
Articles which do not reflect realities of the invasion are misleading.
According to a former Iraqi collaborator who recalled: “I was a soldier in the Iraqi army in the war of 1991… decided to seek asylum in Saudi Arabia. That was how began the process whereby I was recruited into the American forces….to join them and be transported to America. I was one of those,” He tells others that he was transported to an island where most of the establishments were military. He along others received military training and English lessons and to carry out assassination of Iraqi people.
Most of the car bombing is done and directed by Americans who placing a bomb inside cars as they are being searched at checkpoints. Another way is to put bombs in the cars during interrogations. After the desired person is summoned to one of the US bases, a bomb is place in his car and he is asked to drive to a police station or a marked for some purpose and then his car blows up. Since Americans are doing most of the killings, therefore, they can manipulate number of deaths to meet specific political goals. For example, in order to show that the “surge” is working so they can fool American to submission and make them a partner in killing of Muslims in large numbers, then they arrange a SHOW which is named the surge through which they can manipulate numbers of death to a desired result. Majority of rapes
and torture are carried out by Americans and their collaborators.
The Kurds have spied for Israel for the last fifty years and North of Iraq now is a spy network of Israel and US and they are cooperating fully with the occupiers.
Only the fools believe that Bin Laden is hiding somewhere and directing al-Qaeda. Musharraf and Bhutto have already said that Bin Laden is DEATH. There is no al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda is the United States where majority of the killings in Iraq are carried out by the occupier Israeli style.
http://heyetnet.org/en/content/view/490/27/

]]> By: Michael Price http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12700 Michael Price Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:15:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12700 The US lost the war when it brought al-Sadr into the fold instead of destorying his forces. This demonstrated that the rational approach to the Americans is to resist them. Those who have resisted were given guns, money and/or political power, meaning that more people resisted. The results of the current "surge", if there was one, further confirm this pattern. Guerilla wars are won by pavolian conditioning, people must see that when they do what you want they're rewarded and they're punished when they don't. The US as usual is showing the opposite as it did in Vietnam. The US lost the war when it brought al-Sadr into the fold instead of destorying his forces. This demonstrated that the rational approach to the Americans is to resist them. Those who have resisted were given guns, money and/or political power, meaning that more people resisted. The results of the current “surge”, if there was one, further confirm this pattern.

Guerilla wars are won by pavolian conditioning, people must see that when they do what you want they’re rewarded and they’re punished when they don’t. The US as usual is showing the opposite as it did in Vietnam.

]]> By: Arch Mangle http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12665 Arch Mangle Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:21:24 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12665 Excellent Article, Ashley. Unlike the comment from Mr. Forward and the US State Department, it's well research, grounded on provablefact, clearly reasoned and easily verified with empirical evidence, as well as backed by historical precendent. Excellent Article, Ashley. Unlike the comment from Mr. Forward and the US State Department, it’s well research, grounded on provablefact, clearly reasoned and easily verified with empirical evidence, as well as backed by historical precendent.

]]> By: Mr. Forward http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12590 Mr. Forward Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:03:24 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12590 At this point that's all your worth. At this point that’s all your worth.

]]> By: ninjaDude http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12548 ninjaDude Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:33:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12548 This is great, thanks for collecting almost all the leftwing lies, BS, and misinformation in one post. Ashley. you haven’t got a clue. That the best you got, Mr. Forward? This is great, thanks for collecting almost all the leftwing lies, BS, and misinformation in one post. Ashley. you haven’t got a clue.

That the best you got, Mr. Forward?

]]> By: Mr. Forward http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12327 Mr. Forward Sat, 05 Jan 2008 06:03:44 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12327 This is great, thanks for collecting almost all the leftwing lies, BS, and misinformation in one post. Ashley. you haven't got a clue. This is great, thanks for collecting almost all the leftwing lies, BS, and misinformation in one post. Ashley. you haven’t got a clue.

]]> By: Polack in Idaho http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12312 Polack in Idaho Sat, 05 Jan 2008 03:26:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12312 On the basis of a personal experience of living in a country (Poland) dominated by a superpower, I would argue that the only thing that can restore a dominated country to her rightful owners is an economic collapse of a superpower. At some point, an empire becomes unable - financially and organizationally - to maintain foreign possessions and withdraws with its tail between legs. It seems that current rulers of USA are hell-bent on repeating a demise of a Soviet Union, but they don't have much time left, as economical, political, and ecological developments begin to overtake their ability not even to respond to events, but at least come up with a propagandistic explanation that would not be laughed at by anybody with half a brain. Sure, US can still go through a phase of a full-blown police-state - and they can be in Iraq for another 5 or 10 years - but it will be sayonara, sooner or later. The tragedy, of course, is that by the time Iraqis will get their country back, there will be not much left, aside from mountains of corpses. But a miracle is always possible - maybe Ron Paul will become the American Gorbachev... On the basis of a personal experience of living in a country (Poland) dominated by a superpower, I would argue that the only thing that can restore a dominated country to her rightful owners is an economic collapse of a superpower. At some point, an empire becomes unable – financially and organizationally – to maintain foreign possessions and withdraws with its tail between legs. It seems that current rulers of USA are hell-bent on repeating a demise of a Soviet Union, but they don’t have much time left, as economical, political, and ecological developments begin to overtake their ability not even to respond to events, but at least come up with a propagandistic explanation that would not be laughed at by anybody with half a brain. Sure, US can still go through a phase of a full-blown police-state – and they can be in Iraq for another 5 or 10 years – but it will be sayonara, sooner or later. The tragedy, of course, is that by the time Iraqis will get their country back, there will be not much left, aside from mountains of corpses. But a miracle is always possible – maybe Ron Paul will become the American Gorbachev…

]]> By: maha http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12288 maha Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:02:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/progress-in-iraq/#comment-12288 Your central theme of civil conflict and sectarianism is an oft repeated falacy --these Arabs just want to kill each other, right? You mix up the"iraqi elite" with the iraqi public. What is this nonsense? The Iraqi government does what it's told to do by its US/UK handlers -- not a single one in that whoring puppet government speaks or acts freely or for the Iraqi people. And when you talk of ethnic cleansing in areas of Iraq you need to be clear that each area has had a US backed, supported and installed little dictator who, with his gang of US paid gangsters, control and patrol that area -- no ordinary person can move around the area without their say so. That is the reality. There are endless accounts of Iraqis forced out of their homes by US troops as well as US sponsored death squads. Also, the US backed and imported Saudi Wahhabis have a huge hand in the violence and chaos in Iraq and have seized control of institutions across the country. You have the US arming everyone and no group outside their control. Moqtada AlSadr, leading the Mehdi, for example, is and always has been working fo the CIA. This is not a sectarian battle. The separatists in the government are psychopaths waiting for their huge share of the pie. Ordinary Iraqis who are still able to think for themselves are not divided along sectarian lines, are intermixed and want their country, a united Iraq, back. So please stop talking your utter rubbish. Your central theme of civil conflict and sectarianism is an oft repeated falacy –these Arabs just want to kill each other, right?
You mix up the”iraqi elite” with the iraqi public. What is this nonsense? The Iraqi government does what it’s told to do by its US/UK handlers — not a single one in that whoring puppet government speaks or acts freely or for the Iraqi people. And when you talk of ethnic cleansing in areas of Iraq you need to be clear that each area has had a US backed, supported and installed little dictator who, with his gang of US paid gangsters, control and patrol that area — no ordinary person can move around the area without their say so. That is the reality. There are endless accounts of Iraqis forced out of their homes by US troops as well as US sponsored death squads. Also, the US backed and imported Saudi Wahhabis have a huge hand in the violence and chaos in Iraq and have seized control of institutions across the country. You have the US arming everyone and no group outside their control. Moqtada AlSadr, leading the Mehdi, for example, is and always has been working fo the CIA. This is not a sectarian battle. The separatists in the government are psychopaths waiting for their huge share of the pie. Ordinary Iraqis who are still able to think for themselves are not divided along sectarian lines, are intermixed and want their country, a united Iraq, back. So please stop talking your utter rubbish.

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