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	<title>Comments on: On Liberals, Phil Agee, and the 9-11 Truth Movement</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Klingbeil</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/on-liberals-phil-agee-and-the-9-11-truth-movement/#comment-13262</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Klingbeil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched an entire four hour 9/11 Truth dvd.  It started out making a lot of fairly reasonable arguments but ended in a mess of black helipoter, UN armies ready to invade kind of stuff.  In the above comments, in Mr. Blum&#039;s article and on the 9/11 dvd there is no mention of the &quot;Israeli art students&quot;, the &quot;high fivers&quot;, etc.  It is a fact that several &quot;middle eastern&quot; looking men pulled up in a van to Liberty State Park in Union City, NJ on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001 and were observed setting up a video camera on top of their van.  A women in her apartment slipping coffee saw them  and also saw the first plane hit the twin towers.  In shock she observed the &quot;middle eastern&quot; looking men dancing around and giving each other high fives.  When they left she called the police.  These &quot;middle eastern&quot; looking men were picked up by the New Jersey State Police a few mile away.  FOX got hold of the story and ran with it big time.  Within eight hours of their arrest the FBI showed up and took them away.  Within 24 hours they were on their  way back to Israel.  FOX dropped the story like a red hot potato.  There was no mention of the Mossad in the four hours of the 9/11 dvd and of all the alleged agents of satan they pictured almost none were important Jews.  And in everything above the Mossad is mentioned only once.  I myself do not believe the towers were brought down by controlled expolsions, the planes, the fuel and the way the towers were constructed was enough, but i do believe that there was fore knowledge of the attack by members of the criminal ruling elite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched an entire four hour 9/11 Truth dvd.  It started out making a lot of fairly reasonable arguments but ended in a mess of black helipoter, UN armies ready to invade kind of stuff.  In the above comments, in Mr. Blum&#8217;s article and on the 9/11 dvd there is no mention of the &#8220;Israeli art students&#8221;, the &#8220;high fivers&#8221;, etc.  It is a fact that several &#8220;middle eastern&#8221; looking men pulled up in a van to Liberty State Park in Union City, NJ on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001 and were observed setting up a video camera on top of their van.  A women in her apartment slipping coffee saw them  and also saw the first plane hit the twin towers.  In shock she observed the &#8220;middle eastern&#8221; looking men dancing around and giving each other high fives.  When they left she called the police.  These &#8220;middle eastern&#8221; looking men were picked up by the New Jersey State Police a few mile away.  FOX got hold of the story and ran with it big time.  Within eight hours of their arrest the FBI showed up and took them away.  Within 24 hours they were on their  way back to Israel.  FOX dropped the story like a red hot potato.  There was no mention of the Mossad in the four hours of the 9/11 dvd and of all the alleged agents of satan they pictured almost none were important Jews.  And in everything above the Mossad is mentioned only once.  I myself do not believe the towers were brought down by controlled expolsions, the planes, the fuel and the way the towers were constructed was enough, but i do believe that there was fore knowledge of the attack by members of the criminal ruling elite.</p>
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		<title>By: MisiekM</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/on-liberals-phil-agee-and-the-9-11-truth-movement/#comment-13230</link>
		<dc:creator>MisiekM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a great book  &quot;The Secret Team&quot; online about first 20 years of the CIA, what happened in Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, how CIA places agents within the government and any other useful institution such as media, academics, the secrecy within secrecy, access to any gov&#039;s resources, agents without a state, and especially that it&#039;s power formed like spilled water looking for any cracks make understanding what goes on in the government easier, but as the author warns, one cannot trust everything ex- CIA writes, because they live in a waaay different world.  The author describes not the president, but his briefing officer as the most powerful man, and considering same club gave us the Fed,  U.N.,  CIA, CFR,  who knows what&#039;s goin on.  What people would carry out the work itself? Blackwater maybe, they have experts in annihilation and destruction from many other countries than the U.S.  and they serve money, so would have no emotional ties to this country at all, how could Americans do it? I read something about former FBI translator that has more info to offer as to why the cover up of the finances of the operation.  We are doomed, Lord come back and save us... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a great book  &#8220;The Secret Team&#8221; online about first 20 years of the CIA, what happened in Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, how CIA places agents within the government and any other useful institution such as media, academics, the secrecy within secrecy, access to any gov&#8217;s resources, agents without a state, and especially that it&#8217;s power formed like spilled water looking for any cracks make understanding what goes on in the government easier, but as the author warns, one cannot trust everything ex- CIA writes, because they live in a waaay different world.  The author describes not the president, but his briefing officer as the most powerful man, and considering same club gave us the Fed,  U.N.,  CIA, CFR,  who knows what&#8217;s goin on.  What people would carry out the work itself? Blackwater maybe, they have experts in annihilation and destruction from many other countries than the U.S.  and they serve money, so would have no emotional ties to this country at all, how could Americans do it? I read something about former FBI translator that has more info to offer as to why the cover up of the finances of the operation.  We are doomed, Lord come back and save us&#8230; :)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/on-liberals-phil-agee-and-the-9-11-truth-movement/#comment-13162</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William Blum&#039;s response to my second email:

I don&#039;t know where to begin. Every single sentence is based on fallacious thinking on your part or a misunderstanding of my point of view. Please read what i wrote again. Carefully. Without too much anger. I can&#039;t spend the time I&#039;d need to deal with all your erroneous thinking. Sorry.
BB

My third email to William Blum:

I&#039;m not angry at all, and I don&#039;t know why you are insinuating that I am (the bold letters in the word &quot;told&quot; were simply taken from your initial response). In fact, your response would indicate that you are the one who is mad. I think I presented a reasoned approach to why I find your thinking on this issue quite odd, based on your career body of work. If I am mistaken, then I apologize. I realize you are busy, but if you could please find the time to at least give me one concrete example, rather than using vagaries such as &quot;fallacious thinking,&quot; &quot;erroneous thinking&quot; and other such euphemisms which, frankly, are a bit insulting.

If you do nothing else at all, then please tell me if you agree with my contention that referring to people who don&#039;t believe the official story of 9/11 as &quot;9/11 Truth people&quot; leaves a false impression with your readers of a few wacko &quot;conspiracy theorists&quot; when in fact there are multitudes of professional people from all levels of government, academia, and private industry who refute the official story and who are actively working to investigate and put pressure on government officials. And further, would you be willing to publicize this fact in one of your columns?

Thank you


I sent that last email earlier today and I have yet to hear back from William Blum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Blum&#8217;s response to my second email:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where to begin. Every single sentence is based on fallacious thinking on your part or a misunderstanding of my point of view. Please read what i wrote again. Carefully. Without too much anger. I can&#8217;t spend the time I&#8217;d need to deal with all your erroneous thinking. Sorry.<br />
BB</p>
<p>My third email to William Blum:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not angry at all, and I don&#8217;t know why you are insinuating that I am (the bold letters in the word &#8220;told&#8221; were simply taken from your initial response). In fact, your response would indicate that you are the one who is mad. I think I presented a reasoned approach to why I find your thinking on this issue quite odd, based on your career body of work. If I am mistaken, then I apologize. I realize you are busy, but if you could please find the time to at least give me one concrete example, rather than using vagaries such as &#8220;fallacious thinking,&#8221; &#8220;erroneous thinking&#8221; and other such euphemisms which, frankly, are a bit insulting.</p>
<p>If you do nothing else at all, then please tell me if you agree with my contention that referring to people who don&#8217;t believe the official story of 9/11 as &#8220;9/11 Truth people&#8221; leaves a false impression with your readers of a few wacko &#8220;conspiracy theorists&#8221; when in fact there are multitudes of professional people from all levels of government, academia, and private industry who refute the official story and who are actively working to investigate and put pressure on government officials. And further, would you be willing to publicize this fact in one of your columns?</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
<p>I sent that last email earlier today and I have yet to hear back from William Blum.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/on-liberals-phil-agee-and-the-9-11-truth-movement/#comment-13153</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My response to William Blum&#039;s email:

With all due respect, that&#039;s a very strange answer, Mr. Blum. You were TOLD how they did it by the same government that you&#039;ve been railing against for your entire career. You admit that there are &quot;a thousand holes in the story,&quot; yet you seem to need a precise reworking of the plan by the &quot;9/11 Truth people&quot; in order to even begin to consider that it did not happen the way the government and media have presented it to us. I find that quite odd, particularly from someone who is as familiar with intelligence capabilities and operations as you are, and who is as skeptical of official orthodoxy as you are.

Incidentally, the &quot;9/11 Truth people&quot; aren&#039;t all trying to prove that the US government did it. They&#039;re just trying to get at the truth, no matter what it may be. For many, it has led them to Israel and Mossad. Others have been led elsewhere. The point is to keep investigating and keep the pressure on those in power, rather than succumb to an official story that is so full of holes one hardly knows where to begin.

I still don&#039;t understand why you need to be told how the operation was carried out in order to change your perspective. Obviously, no one knows exactly how the operation was carried out. That is the point of continuing the investigation. I would think you would know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My response to William Blum&#8217;s email:</p>
<p>With all due respect, that&#8217;s a very strange answer, Mr. Blum. You were TOLD how they did it by the same government that you&#8217;ve been railing against for your entire career. You admit that there are &#8220;a thousand holes in the story,&#8221; yet you seem to need a precise reworking of the plan by the &#8220;9/11 Truth people&#8221; in order to even begin to consider that it did not happen the way the government and media have presented it to us. I find that quite odd, particularly from someone who is as familiar with intelligence capabilities and operations as you are, and who is as skeptical of official orthodoxy as you are.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the &#8220;9/11 Truth people&#8221; aren&#8217;t all trying to prove that the US government did it. They&#8217;re just trying to get at the truth, no matter what it may be. For many, it has led them to Israel and Mossad. Others have been led elsewhere. The point is to keep investigating and keep the pressure on those in power, rather than succumb to an official story that is so full of holes one hardly knows where to begin.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t understand why you need to be told how the operation was carried out in order to change your perspective. Obviously, no one knows exactly how the operation was carried out. That is the point of continuing the investigation. I would think you would know that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/on-liberals-phil-agee-and-the-9-11-truth-movement/#comment-13148</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an email exchange I had with William Blum regarding his most recent article:

My initial email:

Mr. Blum,

In your most recent anti-empire report, you stated:

&quot;So it&#039;s not the moral question that makes me doubt the inside-job scenario. It&#039;s the logistics of it all -- the incredible complexity of arranging it all so that it would work and not be wholly and transparently unbelievable.&quot;

I would like to know how a man of your intelligence and experience has trouble believing that the most powerful, well-financed intelligence groups in the history of the world (Mossad, CIA, MI5, etc.) could have carried out the logistics of the 9/11 operation, yet you don&#039;t extend those same doubts to the handful of angry Muslims who allegedly carried out the plot.

Thank you for your continuing coverage of world affairs via your newsletter. I look forward to reading it each month.

William Blum&#039;s response:

Because I&#039;ve been TOLD how they did it, albeit with a thousand holes in the story. The 9/11 Truth people have not told me how the US government did it.
BB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an email exchange I had with William Blum regarding his most recent article:</p>
<p>My initial email:</p>
<p>Mr. Blum,</p>
<p>In your most recent anti-empire report, you stated:</p>
<p>&#8220;So it&#8217;s not the moral question that makes me doubt the inside-job scenario. It&#8217;s the logistics of it all &#8212; the incredible complexity of arranging it all so that it would work and not be wholly and transparently unbelievable.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would like to know how a man of your intelligence and experience has trouble believing that the most powerful, well-financed intelligence groups in the history of the world (Mossad, CIA, MI5, etc.) could have carried out the logistics of the 9/11 operation, yet you don&#8217;t extend those same doubts to the handful of angry Muslims who allegedly carried out the plot.</p>
<p>Thank you for your continuing coverage of world affairs via your newsletter. I look forward to reading it each month.</p>
<p>William Blum&#8217;s response:</p>
<p>Because I&#8217;ve been TOLD how they did it, albeit with a thousand holes in the story. The 9/11 Truth people have not told me how the US government did it.<br />
BB</p>
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		<title>By: Dwightvw</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/on-liberals-phil-agee-and-the-9-11-truth-movement/#comment-13135</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwightvw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect we may disagree on what shaky explanations tend to mislead activists, but otherwise, I quite agree.   Thank you for your comment.

I&#039;ve also wondered why people like Chomsky, Blum, Michael Albert, etc. don&#039;t extend their structural analyses to how and why a fraudulent 9/11 could happen and be covered up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect we may disagree on what shaky explanations tend to mislead activists, but otherwise, I quite agree.   Thank you for your comment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also wondered why people like Chomsky, Blum, Michael Albert, etc. don&#8217;t extend their structural analyses to how and why a fraudulent 9/11 could happen and be covered up.</p>
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		<title>By: PatrickSMcNally</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/on-liberals-phil-agee-and-the-9-11-truth-movement/#comment-13119</link>
		<dc:creator>PatrickSMcNally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the claims about war games on 911 have been disputed:

http://911myths.com/html/war_games_cover_for_9-11.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the claims about war games on 911 have been disputed:</p>
<p><a href="http://911myths.com/html/war_games_cover_for_9-11.html" rel="nofollow">http://911myths.com/html/war_games_cover_for_9-11.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A mere peak at American history will indicate what the American establishment are capable of.  Since the Declaration of Independence they have perpetrated countless false flag operations designed to maintain a constant state of war. I think it&#039;s fair to say that they have managed that objective quite well to date.  As for the 9/11 debate, I find it quite amazing that the explanation by the 9/11 commision was so readily excepted by educated people who clearly flunked their basic physics.  How you can turn 3 building into dust in the space of 2 hours  and find nothing remotely suspicious beggers belief. All the laws of physics were defied on that terrible murdurous day and the fact that building 7 collapsed despite not being damaged in any real way added to which the fact that the 9/11 commision didn&#039;t even include it in their report. Gimme a break. In the 100 years of steel frame buildings only three have ever collapsed and that was the all on the same day in the same place.  yeah right.  The tiny hole in the Pentagon was laughable. We&#039;re asked to believe that a giant airliner made that hole. Snap out of it.  The buildings were proffessionally demolished and many problems facing the business community were solved in one fell swoop. Hey but those guys are saints, they would never do anything like that and Nixon was not a crook.  Get real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A mere peak at American history will indicate what the American establishment are capable of.  Since the Declaration of Independence they have perpetrated countless false flag operations designed to maintain a constant state of war. I think it&#8217;s fair to say that they have managed that objective quite well to date.  As for the 9/11 debate, I find it quite amazing that the explanation by the 9/11 commision was so readily excepted by educated people who clearly flunked their basic physics.  How you can turn 3 building into dust in the space of 2 hours  and find nothing remotely suspicious beggers belief. All the laws of physics were defied on that terrible murdurous day and the fact that building 7 collapsed despite not being damaged in any real way added to which the fact that the 9/11 commision didn&#8217;t even include it in their report. Gimme a break. In the 100 years of steel frame buildings only three have ever collapsed and that was the all on the same day in the same place.  yeah right.  The tiny hole in the Pentagon was laughable. We&#8217;re asked to believe that a giant airliner made that hole. Snap out of it.  The buildings were proffessionally demolished and many problems facing the business community were solved in one fell swoop. Hey but those guys are saints, they would never do anything like that and Nixon was not a crook.  Get real.</p>
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		<title>By: ivanguarneri</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/on-liberals-phil-agee-and-the-9-11-truth-movement/#comment-13065</link>
		<dc:creator>ivanguarneri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe the arguments William Blum uses to doubt the theory of the inside job.
There are a thousand loose ends in the government&#039;s theory about 9/11.
May be more.
Let me just point out one. Only one.
Larry Silverstein has admited that Building 7 was brought down by demolition in an interview that has been in youtube for a couple of years. Whoever hasn&#039;t seen it yet, it&#039;s only for luck of interest.
This admitance on the part of Silverstein is crucial  in the dismounting on the whole lie about 9/11.
Bringing building 7 down by control demolition implyes the fact that said building had to be pre-rigged in advance for controlled-demolition.
It is absurd to believe that such a building could be wired just in a few hours in the middle of fires and caos.
So, that pre-wiring of building 7 has been kept a taboo subject for the MSM, because this fact is the proof that the other 2 buildings could have also been pre-rigged, for the same people and in the same secrecy.
The pre-rigging of building 7, as SIlverstein admits it,  clearly prooves that it is possible to pre-plan de controlled demolition of an extremely large building, in a public place, in front of everybody&#039;s nose, while keeping the action and the team of  riggers in complete secrecy.
For further proof about the control demolition of building 7, please observe the videos that clearly show beyond any doubt that the first structure to colapse is the penthouse, where there were no fires at all.
A clear top down demolition-implosion.
This is only one loose end of the official explanation and a proof of the possibility of the inside job theory.
There are about a hundred more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe the arguments William Blum uses to doubt the theory of the inside job.<br />
There are a thousand loose ends in the government&#8217;s theory about 9/11.<br />
May be more.<br />
Let me just point out one. Only one.<br />
Larry Silverstein has admited that Building 7 was brought down by demolition in an interview that has been in youtube for a couple of years. Whoever hasn&#8217;t seen it yet, it&#8217;s only for luck of interest.<br />
This admitance on the part of Silverstein is crucial  in the dismounting on the whole lie about 9/11.<br />
Bringing building 7 down by control demolition implyes the fact that said building had to be pre-rigged in advance for controlled-demolition.<br />
It is absurd to believe that such a building could be wired just in a few hours in the middle of fires and caos.<br />
So, that pre-wiring of building 7 has been kept a taboo subject for the MSM, because this fact is the proof that the other 2 buildings could have also been pre-rigged, for the same people and in the same secrecy.<br />
The pre-rigging of building 7, as SIlverstein admits it,  clearly prooves that it is possible to pre-plan de controlled demolition of an extremely large building, in a public place, in front of everybody&#8217;s nose, while keeping the action and the team of  riggers in complete secrecy.<br />
For further proof about the control demolition of building 7, please observe the videos that clearly show beyond any doubt that the first structure to colapse is the penthouse, where there were no fires at all.<br />
A clear top down demolition-implosion.<br />
This is only one loose end of the official explanation and a proof of the possibility of the inside job theory.<br />
There are about a hundred more.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert B. Livingston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert B. Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been fascinated by an idea that there are parallels between the media and common public perception of 9/11 (that either supports the official version or shaky explanations that tend to mislead activists) and Nader&#039;s supposed consequential effect on the 2000 election (not).  The parallel could be extended to Blum&#039;s insightful description of the public disconnect &quot;liberals &quot;have when it comes to foreign policy.  All three topics seem to inhabit a doppelganger-world in which reason matters little and perception is everything.

One thing is certain:  the public is relentlessly manipulated by propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been fascinated by an idea that there are parallels between the media and common public perception of 9/11 (that either supports the official version or shaky explanations that tend to mislead activists) and Nader&#8217;s supposed consequential effect on the 2000 election (not).  The parallel could be extended to Blum&#8217;s insightful description of the public disconnect &#8220;liberals &#8220;have when it comes to foreign policy.  All three topics seem to inhabit a doppelganger-world in which reason matters little and perception is everything.</p>
<p>One thing is certain:  the public is relentlessly manipulated by propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwightvw</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/on-liberals-phil-agee-and-the-9-11-truth-movement/#comment-13031</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwightvw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always amazed and disgusted by people who blame Nader, rather than speaking out against vote supression in Florida and the coup by the Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore.   Some respond that yes, that&#039;s bad, but if Nader hadn&#039;t run and gotten 60,000 votes or whatever he got, Gore would have won.   This is incredibly naive, especially in light of what we know now about the lack of integrity in our voting system.    As far as I&#039;m concerned, the fix was in regardless, and Nader running just gave a way to divert attention and let Democrats blow off steam.  How can he and we be blamed for that, and why haven&#039;t supporters of the Democratic Party doing anything, even after the 2004 election was again stolen in Ohio? But not to worry, it&#039;s time for a Democratic president to consolidate the gains, or clean up the mess,  by being the good cop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always amazed and disgusted by people who blame Nader, rather than speaking out against vote supression in Florida and the coup by the Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore.   Some respond that yes, that&#8217;s bad, but if Nader hadn&#8217;t run and gotten 60,000 votes or whatever he got, Gore would have won.   This is incredibly naive, especially in light of what we know now about the lack of integrity in our voting system.    As far as I&#8217;m concerned, the fix was in regardless, and Nader running just gave a way to divert attention and let Democrats blow off steam.  How can he and we be blamed for that, and why haven&#8217;t supporters of the Democratic Party doing anything, even after the 2004 election was again stolen in Ohio? But not to worry, it&#8217;s time for a Democratic president to consolidate the gains, or clean up the mess,  by being the good cop.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwightvw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwightvw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m always amazed and disgusted by people who blame Nader, rather than speaking out against vote supression in Florida and the coup by the Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore.   Some respond that yes, that&#039;s bad, but if Nader hadn&#039;t run and gotten 60,000 votes or whatever he got, Gore would have won.   This is incredibly naive, especially in light of what we know now about the lack of integrity in our voting system.    As far as I&#039;m concerned, the fix was in regardless, and Nader running just gave a way to divert attention and let Democrats blow off steam.  How can he and we be blamed for that, and why haven&#039;t supporters of the Democratic Party doing anything, even after the 2004 election was again stolen in Ohio? But not to worry, it&#039;s time for a Democratic president to consolidate the gains by being the good cop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always amazed and disgusted by people who blame Nader, rather than speaking out against vote supression in Florida and the coup by the Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore.   Some respond that yes, that&#8217;s bad, but if Nader hadn&#8217;t run and gotten 60,000 votes or whatever he got, Gore would have won.   This is incredibly naive, especially in light of what we know now about the lack of integrity in our voting system.    As far as I&#8217;m concerned, the fix was in regardless, and Nader running just gave a way to divert attention and let Democrats blow off steam.  How can he and we be blamed for that, and why haven&#8217;t supporters of the Democratic Party doing anything, even after the 2004 election was again stolen in Ohio? But not to worry, it&#8217;s time for a Democratic president to consolidate the gains by being the good cop.</p>
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		<title>By: Bov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you know, it&#039;s no one&#039;s job to convince you of anything, certainly not to convince you of the truth.  

Challenging anyone to do so is only to get hits here.  The 9/11 movement has been preyed upon by internet candidate Ron Paul for a reason, and it isn&#039;t because the world can&#039;t understand how an inside job could possibly have happened, or why.

&gt;&gt;just mention “Ralph Nader” and they go ballistic

What else is the agency to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you know, it&#8217;s no one&#8217;s job to convince you of anything, certainly not to convince you of the truth.  </p>
<p>Challenging anyone to do so is only to get hits here.  The 9/11 movement has been preyed upon by internet candidate Ron Paul for a reason, and it isn&#8217;t because the world can&#8217;t understand how an inside job could possibly have happened, or why.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;just mention “Ralph Nader” and they go ballistic</p>
<p>What else is the agency to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Hallberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Hallberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You attempt to discredit  the JFK conspiracy FACT?  The magic bullet that passed through John Connelly&#039;s arm, reversed direction and struck President Kennedy in the throat?  That was the same PRISTINE bullet found on President Kennedy&#039;s gurney at Parkrose Hospital.  Even the 1978 House Committee on Assassinations concluded that President Kennedy&#039;s murder was the result of a conspiracy! 

The plane that allegedly flew into the Pentagon did so 34 minutes after the second World Trade Center Tower was struck.  That was 34 minutes after it was a confirmed fact the United States was in a state of war!  One of the world&#039;s most heavily defended buildings was stuck by an amateur pilot who could barely keep a Cessna in the air!  NORAD failed to intercept the plane due to at least five war games in operation on 9/11.  On any other day, any derelict plane in US airspace could have been intercepted in less than 15 minutes!

Conspiracy theory?  I call it common sense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You attempt to discredit  the JFK conspiracy FACT?  The magic bullet that passed through John Connelly&#8217;s arm, reversed direction and struck President Kennedy in the throat?  That was the same PRISTINE bullet found on President Kennedy&#8217;s gurney at Parkrose Hospital.  Even the 1978 House Committee on Assassinations concluded that President Kennedy&#8217;s murder was the result of a conspiracy! </p>
<p>The plane that allegedly flew into the Pentagon did so 34 minutes after the second World Trade Center Tower was struck.  That was 34 minutes after it was a confirmed fact the United States was in a state of war!  One of the world&#8217;s most heavily defended buildings was stuck by an amateur pilot who could barely keep a Cessna in the air!  NORAD failed to intercept the plane due to at least five war games in operation on 9/11.  On any other day, any derelict plane in US airspace could have been intercepted in less than 15 minutes!</p>
<p>Conspiracy theory?  I call it common sense!</p>
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		<title>By: Danse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing I would add is that the &quot;left&quot; should actually be leading the charge on the subject of 911 truth, not only because it is the moral thing to do but because socialists and progressives have long been a target of the same types of operations.  

Operation Gladio -- a series of bombings and &quot;random&quot; shootings attributed to communists over a period of several decades in Western Europe -- was carried out by fascist cells (a so-called &quot;stay behind&quot; network ostensibly created to fight a Soviet invasion after WWII) funded by the CIA and NATO intelligence.   As you are no doubt aware, similar operations were a mainstay of CIA operations in Latin America throughout the cold war.   Anarchists have long been a target of provocateurs, and any study of COINTELPRO will surely include examples of FBI agents encouraging activists to resort to violence.    

Gladio also puts to rest most of the evasions to 911 truth trotted out by the so-called &quot;left gatekeepers&quot;, of which I&#039;m hoping you are not.  It was a much larger operation than 911, encompassing dozens of countries and hundreds of bombings yet was not revealed (in an Italian parliamentary investigation) for some thirty years.  

&quot;Blowback&quot; gels with the leftist critique of imperialism but the reality is much more complicated and much more sinister, I&#039;m afraid.  Take a hard look at any large scale terrorist attack and you&#039;ll find the fingerprints of the state and her intelligence agencies.   It&#039;s a rational recourse for agents of state to terrify their citizens, demonize their political opponents and whip the population into a war frenzy.   The only surprising thing about false flag operations is they don&#039;t occur even more often than they already do.  

The &quot;left&quot; needs to get up to speed and develop a more sophisticated analysis of terrorism -- and quick.   The category of &quot;terror&quot; is a contrivance long prepared.  We are indeed at the mercy of the (real) terrorists until we come to terms with 911.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing I would add is that the &#8220;left&#8221; should actually be leading the charge on the subject of 911 truth, not only because it is the moral thing to do but because socialists and progressives have long been a target of the same types of operations.  </p>
<p>Operation Gladio &#8212; a series of bombings and &#8220;random&#8221; shootings attributed to communists over a period of several decades in Western Europe &#8212; was carried out by fascist cells (a so-called &#8220;stay behind&#8221; network ostensibly created to fight a Soviet invasion after WWII) funded by the CIA and NATO intelligence.   As you are no doubt aware, similar operations were a mainstay of CIA operations in Latin America throughout the cold war.   Anarchists have long been a target of provocateurs, and any study of COINTELPRO will surely include examples of FBI agents encouraging activists to resort to violence.    </p>
<p>Gladio also puts to rest most of the evasions to 911 truth trotted out by the so-called &#8220;left gatekeepers&#8221;, of which I&#8217;m hoping you are not.  It was a much larger operation than 911, encompassing dozens of countries and hundreds of bombings yet was not revealed (in an Italian parliamentary investigation) for some thirty years.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Blowback&#8221; gels with the leftist critique of imperialism but the reality is much more complicated and much more sinister, I&#8217;m afraid.  Take a hard look at any large scale terrorist attack and you&#8217;ll find the fingerprints of the state and her intelligence agencies.   It&#8217;s a rational recourse for agents of state to terrify their citizens, demonize their political opponents and whip the population into a war frenzy.   The only surprising thing about false flag operations is they don&#8217;t occur even more often than they already do.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;left&#8221; needs to get up to speed and develop a more sophisticated analysis of terrorism &#8212; and quick.   The category of &#8220;terror&#8221; is a contrivance long prepared.  We are indeed at the mercy of the (real) terrorists until we come to terms with 911.</p>
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		<title>By: Danse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wanna talk logistics?  Let&#039;s talk logistics:

&quot;There is no way that an aircraft . . . would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control ...Something is rotten in the State.”

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army  – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.

&quot;I knew within hours of the attacks on 9/11/2001 that it was an inside job.
Robin Hordon – Former FAA Air Traffic Controller at the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center

&quot;Osama bin Laden and &quot;Al Qaeda&quot; cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks.&quot;

General Leonid Ivashov – Former Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces on 9/11/2001, and Department Chief for General affairs in the Soviet Union&#039;s Ministry of Defense.

I could go on all day here.  The point is that all sorts of respectable military and intelligence professionals have stated point blank that it is the official story, not the alternative explanation, that is impossible, logistically and otherwise.   

I recommend reading up on the war games to get a better idea of how the operation was pulled off.   Military exercises &quot;simulating&quot; the exact same scenario were planned for the morning of 911.  The same occurred with the 7/7 bomibings in London (same time, same place, same scenario) and the Oklahoma city bombing (again, same time, place and scenario).  War games allow the perpetrators to carry out these operations under the guise of a drill.  

Members of the Russian FSB were actually caught planting Hexogen explosives in an apartment complex in Ryazan with the presumed goal of pinning the attacks on Chechen separatists.  In flagrante delicto, they claimed that the operation was in in fact a drill, and that the explosives were fake.  The local police chief testified otherwise; the bomb was live and set to a timer.  No action was taken.  The culprits were allowed to flee the country by authorities.

It is not the responsibility of the 911 truth movement to provide you with a detailed account of how the attacks were carried out.   It is sufficient that we prove that the official story impossible, which we have.  

The &quot;progressive&quot; movement has dropped the ball big time on 911 truth.    It makes no difference if you think the Bush administration is &quot;incompetent&quot; or that the operation would have been extremely difficult to pull off without getting caught (they have been &quot;caught&quot;, incidentally).   The reality is that false flag operations are a mainstay of intelligence services all over the world and have been for quite some time.  The evidence speaks for itself.  It&#039;s time to do the right thing and speak out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wanna talk logistics?  Let&#8217;s talk logistics:</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no way that an aircraft . . . would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control &#8230;Something is rotten in the State.”</p>
<p>Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army  – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.</p>
<p>&#8220;I knew within hours of the attacks on 9/11/2001 that it was an inside job.<br />
Robin Hordon – Former FAA Air Traffic Controller at the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center</p>
<p>&#8220;Osama bin Laden and &#8220;Al Qaeda&#8221; cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks.&#8221;</p>
<p>General Leonid Ivashov – Former Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces on 9/11/2001, and Department Chief for General affairs in the Soviet Union&#8217;s Ministry of Defense.</p>
<p>I could go on all day here.  The point is that all sorts of respectable military and intelligence professionals have stated point blank that it is the official story, not the alternative explanation, that is impossible, logistically and otherwise.   </p>
<p>I recommend reading up on the war games to get a better idea of how the operation was pulled off.   Military exercises &#8220;simulating&#8221; the exact same scenario were planned for the morning of 911.  The same occurred with the 7/7 bomibings in London (same time, same place, same scenario) and the Oklahoma city bombing (again, same time, place and scenario).  War games allow the perpetrators to carry out these operations under the guise of a drill.  </p>
<p>Members of the Russian FSB were actually caught planting Hexogen explosives in an apartment complex in Ryazan with the presumed goal of pinning the attacks on Chechen separatists.  In flagrante delicto, they claimed that the operation was in in fact a drill, and that the explosives were fake.  The local police chief testified otherwise; the bomb was live and set to a timer.  No action was taken.  The culprits were allowed to flee the country by authorities.</p>
<p>It is not the responsibility of the 911 truth movement to provide you with a detailed account of how the attacks were carried out.   It is sufficient that we prove that the official story impossible, which we have.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;progressive&#8221; movement has dropped the ball big time on 911 truth.    It makes no difference if you think the Bush administration is &#8220;incompetent&#8221; or that the operation would have been extremely difficult to pull off without getting caught (they have been &#8220;caught&#8221;, incidentally).   The reality is that false flag operations are a mainstay of intelligence services all over the world and have been for quite some time.  The evidence speaks for itself.  It&#8217;s time to do the right thing and speak out.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how come people still blame Nader? I sent out William Blum&#039;s comments on Nader to someone who just sent me a new article blaming Nader with new numbers.  He called it bullshit.
There is also Greg Palast&#039;s investigations ----with Katherine Harris &amp; Choicepoint &amp; the suppression of the African American vote that dis-counted tens of thousands of votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how come people still blame Nader? I sent out William Blum&#8217;s comments on Nader to someone who just sent me a new article blaming Nader with new numbers.  He called it bullshit.<br />
There is also Greg Palast&#8217;s investigations &#8212;-with Katherine Harris &amp; Choicepoint &amp; the suppression of the African American vote that dis-counted tens of thousands of votes.</p>
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		<title>By: Headspin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headspin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Blum, 
Logisitics? you haven&#039;t thought this through.
they&#039;re bad-ass enough to do it, but not competent enough? JFK did not plan operation northwoods, nor would he have executed it. JFK made the decision whether to execute the operation or not, thankfully he decided against it, but what decision would Bush have made in his place? clearly from your article you know the answer to that. Northwoods was going to be a military-intelligence operation, they are pretty good at logistics. logisitically speaking they do a fine job of importing all the drugs on the quiet, ask Gary webb, oh we can&#039;t, he shot himself in the head...twice. There are too many coincidences, far too many, a lot of which obviously provide fall back positions for the perpetrators. They were running live fly drills of hijacked planes, that&#039;s real passenger planes with real passengers and real (as can be) hijackers. Raytheon were testing out their remote control anti-hijack systems in 2001 designed to electronically take back control of aircraft from unsuspecting hijackers, quite a few raytheon and defence contractor employees on those planes y&#039;know. too many coincidences - the head of the NMCC General Winfield gave command of the NMCC to his deputy Captain Leidig at 8:30am, 10 minutes after the first known hijack, he took command back from Leidig at around 10:00 just after flight 93 went down - Winfield and Leidig had arranaged this the day before on september 10th! Leidig had never commanded the NMCC before and had only recently qualified as deputy, he got promoted to Admiral shortly after.
Too many coincidences - the one side of the pentagon that was being rennovated with blast walls was the side that flight 77 allegedly struck. the rennovations had just been completed on that very day, so the construction workers had gone home, and the pentagon staff were mostly not yet back in their offices reducing casualties, except for the civilian auditors that had been temporarily moved into the outer rings at precisely the point the plane impacted. my soul cries when i read an article like yours, why ask us to explain it all? we can&#039;t without a proper investiagtion. ask the NMCC commander Winfield where he was between 8:30 and 10:00, the 911 commission didn&#039;t ask. i have your book killing hope waiting to be read, not sure whether its worth reading now to be honest.
Look at the targets (real and false alarms) of the Anthrax attacks traced back to the Ames strain held by Fort Derick and possibly Battelle (who also hold patents for alumino-thermic demolition devices, otherwise known as thermites). Anthrax is not wmd, it is an assassins weapon, congress and the media were coerced to shut up and stay on the gravy train.
&quot;Why did building 7 collapse&quot; - maybe flight 93 (40 minutes late on takeoff) was meant to hit it or maybe one of the other 22 planes reportedly hijacked and/or foiled by vigilant ATCs was intended to hit it, maybe it was intended to explode when the north tower exploded. maybe there is a reason no-one has thought of, its a clue that their plans didn&#039;t go without hitch. why do you need speculation when there is so much evidence - read Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert, no speculative discussion on skyscrapers there, just solid evidence and enquiry, or watch one of his presentations on youtube.
&quot;how about fire plus a full-size, loaded airplane smashing into it&quot; - oops you seemed to have forgotten that no airplane hit wtc7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Blum,<br />
Logisitics? you haven&#8217;t thought this through.<br />
they&#8217;re bad-ass enough to do it, but not competent enough? JFK did not plan operation northwoods, nor would he have executed it. JFK made the decision whether to execute the operation or not, thankfully he decided against it, but what decision would Bush have made in his place? clearly from your article you know the answer to that. Northwoods was going to be a military-intelligence operation, they are pretty good at logistics. logisitically speaking they do a fine job of importing all the drugs on the quiet, ask Gary webb, oh we can&#8217;t, he shot himself in the head&#8230;twice. There are too many coincidences, far too many, a lot of which obviously provide fall back positions for the perpetrators. They were running live fly drills of hijacked planes, that&#8217;s real passenger planes with real passengers and real (as can be) hijackers. Raytheon were testing out their remote control anti-hijack systems in 2001 designed to electronically take back control of aircraft from unsuspecting hijackers, quite a few raytheon and defence contractor employees on those planes y&#8217;know. too many coincidences &#8211; the head of the NMCC General Winfield gave command of the NMCC to his deputy Captain Leidig at 8:30am, 10 minutes after the first known hijack, he took command back from Leidig at around 10:00 just after flight 93 went down &#8211; Winfield and Leidig had arranaged this the day before on september 10th! Leidig had never commanded the NMCC before and had only recently qualified as deputy, he got promoted to Admiral shortly after.<br />
Too many coincidences &#8211; the one side of the pentagon that was being rennovated with blast walls was the side that flight 77 allegedly struck. the rennovations had just been completed on that very day, so the construction workers had gone home, and the pentagon staff were mostly not yet back in their offices reducing casualties, except for the civilian auditors that had been temporarily moved into the outer rings at precisely the point the plane impacted. my soul cries when i read an article like yours, why ask us to explain it all? we can&#8217;t without a proper investiagtion. ask the NMCC commander Winfield where he was between 8:30 and 10:00, the 911 commission didn&#8217;t ask. i have your book killing hope waiting to be read, not sure whether its worth reading now to be honest.<br />
Look at the targets (real and false alarms) of the Anthrax attacks traced back to the Ames strain held by Fort Derick and possibly Battelle (who also hold patents for alumino-thermic demolition devices, otherwise known as thermites). Anthrax is not wmd, it is an assassins weapon, congress and the media were coerced to shut up and stay on the gravy train.<br />
&#8220;Why did building 7 collapse&#8221; &#8211; maybe flight 93 (40 minutes late on takeoff) was meant to hit it or maybe one of the other 22 planes reportedly hijacked and/or foiled by vigilant ATCs was intended to hit it, maybe it was intended to explode when the north tower exploded. maybe there is a reason no-one has thought of, its a clue that their plans didn&#8217;t go without hitch. why do you need speculation when there is so much evidence &#8211; read Crossing the Rubicon by Michael Ruppert, no speculative discussion on skyscrapers there, just solid evidence and enquiry, or watch one of his presentations on youtube.<br />
&#8220;how about fire plus a full-size, loaded airplane smashing into it&#8221; &#8211; oops you seemed to have forgotten that no airplane hit wtc7.</p>
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		<title>By: BenFranklin</title>
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		<dc:creator>BenFranklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously the spewing powderization of the main buildings, the pulverized sand-like concrete and the 30 foot cuts of steel girders with partially evaporated and sulfidized steel ends were completely natural.  Once the collapse got going any fool could see it would all end up in either course dust or even cuts of steel.  

And even though if a crane had take the upper sections off (above each crash sit), swung them over and dropped them into thin air they would obviously fall at the same free fall speed as they did when they splashed down through the most heavily redundant steel cored buildings in history.   Everyone knows that the path of most resistance is the same as the path of least resistance; these nutters would have you think otherwise.   Truthers don&#039;t have any valid questions whatsoever.   And so what about building 7, so it splashed down at free fall speed into it&#039;s own footprint.    &quot;Walk away, McFly.  McFLY, walk away!&quot;

I agree with Blum, instead of looking at available evidence, make up a theory that makes sense, because nothing gets more respect right now than theories.

Ben Franklin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously the spewing powderization of the main buildings, the pulverized sand-like concrete and the 30 foot cuts of steel girders with partially evaporated and sulfidized steel ends were completely natural.  Once the collapse got going any fool could see it would all end up in either course dust or even cuts of steel.  </p>
<p>And even though if a crane had take the upper sections off (above each crash sit), swung them over and dropped them into thin air they would obviously fall at the same free fall speed as they did when they splashed down through the most heavily redundant steel cored buildings in history.   Everyone knows that the path of most resistance is the same as the path of least resistance; these nutters would have you think otherwise.   Truthers don&#8217;t have any valid questions whatsoever.   And so what about building 7, so it splashed down at free fall speed into it&#8217;s own footprint.    &#8220;Walk away, McFly.  McFLY, walk away!&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with Blum, instead of looking at available evidence, make up a theory that makes sense, because nothing gets more respect right now than theories.</p>
<p>Ben Franklin</p>
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		<title>By: Travellerev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travellerev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear William,

Thank you for at least being willing to look at the events of 911 as perhaps something other than an Arab terrorist attack. Whoever did it certainly had terrorism on his mind so that sad fact remains.

I found on the http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters.html site this interesting little pdf: http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/e/VisualizationAidsWTCTowers.pdf. It shows gloriously simple why the plane and the kerosene would not be enough to topple the towers.

I suggest that you also visit my blog which has a handy page called 911 for beginners.

I do have theories about the need for the mayhem but that&#039;s all they are, theories.
I don&#039;t know who committed the horrors of 911 but I do know that 19 young Arabs and one kidney impaired fanatic in a cave in Afghanistan were not able to suspend the laws of physics. That, and the fact that the air force did not respond for some one and a half hours, would logistically be impossible for them to arrange, and that is enough for me to know that a new investigation is necessary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear William,</p>
<p>Thank you for at least being willing to look at the events of 911 as perhaps something other than an Arab terrorist attack. Whoever did it certainly had terrorism on his mind so that sad fact remains.</p>
<p>I found on the <a href="http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters.html</a> site this interesting little pdf: <a href="http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/e/VisualizationAidsWTCTowers.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/e/VisualizationAidsWTCTowers.pdf</a>. It shows gloriously simple why the plane and the kerosene would not be enough to topple the towers.</p>
<p>I suggest that you also visit my blog which has a handy page called 911 for beginners.</p>
<p>I do have theories about the need for the mayhem but that&#8217;s all they are, theories.<br />
I don&#8217;t know who committed the horrors of 911 but I do know that 19 young Arabs and one kidney impaired fanatic in a cave in Afghanistan were not able to suspend the laws of physics. That, and the fact that the air force did not respond for some one and a half hours, would logistically be impossible for them to arrange, and that is enough for me to know that a new investigation is necessary</p>
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