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		<title>By: lee</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/animals-on-stage/#comment-13436</link>
		<dc:creator>lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The animal rights people have caused much noise about the conclusionsd of the circus report,yet if it came to the conclusion they were hoping for they would of praised it.I think the scientists know more then any animal rights protester.And well were on the subject of captive animals are we to ban pet dogs too.I dont see anything normal in keeping a dog locked in house or flat,you controlling when it can go out,when it eats,when  it goes to the toilet. If you think thats normal you are badly mistaken?    Circuses should come into line with the zoo licensing act,but will that even silence the do-gooders who know nothing about animals? i dont think so.
The author of the article discribes the Great British Circus Website as tacky.He must of had his eyes closed when looking over this website.
Who are you above to say weather  parents should or should nt take there children to zoos or circuses. We live in a free country.We dont want dictators.If you people beleive in that ,then you should get the hell out of here.Talking of dictators,who the hell do ALF think they are.to hell with them all.They are a group of small minded terriosts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The animal rights people have caused much noise about the conclusionsd of the circus report,yet if it came to the conclusion they were hoping for they would of praised it.I think the scientists know more then any animal rights protester.And well were on the subject of captive animals are we to ban pet dogs too.I dont see anything normal in keeping a dog locked in house or flat,you controlling when it can go out,when it eats,when  it goes to the toilet. If you think thats normal you are badly mistaken?    Circuses should come into line with the zoo licensing act,but will that even silence the do-gooders who know nothing about animals? i dont think so.<br />
The author of the article discribes the Great British Circus Website as tacky.He must of had his eyes closed when looking over this website.<br />
Who are you above to say weather  parents should or should nt take there children to zoos or circuses. We live in a free country.We dont want dictators.If you people beleive in that ,then you should get the hell out of here.Talking of dictators,who the hell do ALF think they are.to hell with them all.They are a group of small minded terriosts.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/animals-on-stage/#comment-13068</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a Bay Area resident, there were other details surrounding this tragedy.  When the police officers arrived at the scene, the tiger was quietly sitting/reclining (and obviously out of the zoo enclosure)  close to the other injured person.

Then the police officers RUSHED FORWARD towards the tiger.  At that moment, the animal lunged .  Maybe if they had kept a safe distance, the tiger would not have reacted instinctly to protect itself.  I  wonder why the police nor the zoo staff were equipped with tranquilizer or stun guns.

It seems keeping wild animals in zoos is an acceptable practice, but if they act wild or protective or fail to conform to our human standards of behavior, it&#039;s permissable to just kill them, endangered or not.  And the argument that zoos are necessary for the &quot;educational&quot; or &quot;enlightening&quot; opportunity to view animals that could not be seen otherwise may be weakening.   Hey, I may never see Mt. Kilamanjaro in person, but that doesn&#039;t mean you blast off the top and put it in a museum, but if someone could accomplish that and make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ doing so, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised.  However, animal capture and exploitation is much more easier and profitable and will contine until people stop visiting zoos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a Bay Area resident, there were other details surrounding this tragedy.  When the police officers arrived at the scene, the tiger was quietly sitting/reclining (and obviously out of the zoo enclosure)  close to the other injured person.</p>
<p>Then the police officers RUSHED FORWARD towards the tiger.  At that moment, the animal lunged .  Maybe if they had kept a safe distance, the tiger would not have reacted instinctly to protect itself.  I  wonder why the police nor the zoo staff were equipped with tranquilizer or stun guns.</p>
<p>It seems keeping wild animals in zoos is an acceptable practice, but if they act wild or protective or fail to conform to our human standards of behavior, it&#8217;s permissable to just kill them, endangered or not.  And the argument that zoos are necessary for the &#8220;educational&#8221; or &#8220;enlightening&#8221; opportunity to view animals that could not be seen otherwise may be weakening.   Hey, I may never see Mt. Kilamanjaro in person, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you blast off the top and put it in a museum, but if someone could accomplish that and make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ doing so, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised.  However, animal capture and exploitation is much more easier and profitable and will contine until people stop visiting zoos.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie Maldonado</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/animals-on-stage/#comment-12849</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie Maldonado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!     Blaming the tiger, the human victims, or this particular zoo does not address the root of this tragedy--  lack of respect for non-human animals.    Holding animals captive, whether in a zoo, circus, or so-called sanctuary that puts them on public display, will lead to these tragedies time and again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!     Blaming the tiger, the human victims, or this particular zoo does not address the root of this tragedy&#8211;  lack of respect for non-human animals.    Holding animals captive, whether in a zoo, circus, or so-called sanctuary that puts them on public display, will lead to these tragedies time and again.</p>
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		<title>By: maryb</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/animals-on-stage/#comment-12734</link>
		<dc:creator>maryb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If parents and relatives stopped thinking that taking children to a circus or a zoo was a treat, these temples of animal torture would soon die out.  I am in my late sixties and have only been to a zoo once, namely London Zoo in the 60&#039;s. I was so appalled at the pathetic sight of Guy the Gorilla and the pacing of the big cats turned mad by their confinement, that I have never been again. I can also still remember the stench of the place.  Today on Sky News we are being subjected to the sight of a captive Polar Bear in a zoo! in Germany mistreating her new cub because she lacks the natural mothering skills. Hardly surprising if you ask the question &#039;How did she get put in the zoo in the first place&#039;.  Cruel, torture and torment, and worse than man&#039;s inhumanity to man is man&#039;s inhumanity to animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If parents and relatives stopped thinking that taking children to a circus or a zoo was a treat, these temples of animal torture would soon die out.  I am in my late sixties and have only been to a zoo once, namely London Zoo in the 60&#8217;s. I was so appalled at the pathetic sight of Guy the Gorilla and the pacing of the big cats turned mad by their confinement, that I have never been again. I can also still remember the stench of the place.  Today on Sky News we are being subjected to the sight of a captive Polar Bear in a zoo! in Germany mistreating her new cub because she lacks the natural mothering skills. Hardly surprising if you ask the question &#8216;How did she get put in the zoo in the first place&#8217;.  Cruel, torture and torment, and worse than man&#8217;s inhumanity to man is man&#8217;s inhumanity to animals.</p>
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		<title>By: DoRight</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/animals-on-stage/#comment-12689</link>
		<dc:creator>DoRight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On December 23, 2006, or thereabouts, Tatiana should have been either put down or sent to a sanctuary. Shame on the SF Zoo! Shame on them for not seeing the obvious, one year before this present debacle began! I remember thinking, back then, in December 2006, there is going to be more trouble involving this cat in this zoo. Sadly, I was right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On December 23, 2006, or thereabouts, Tatiana should have been either put down or sent to a sanctuary. Shame on the SF Zoo! Shame on them for not seeing the obvious, one year before this present debacle began! I remember thinking, back then, in December 2006, there is going to be more trouble involving this cat in this zoo. Sadly, I was right.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/animals-on-stage/#comment-12625</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful piece.

I am anxious to know where the discussion goes. Like so many other forms of domination that humans take for granted, clearly zoos and circuses are hot buttons---as we justify the subjugation away by (in the case of zoos) saying it&#039;s an act of ecology. And the circus: I&#039;ve actually never heard anyone offer a compelling explanation/justification/reason/excuse.

Dustin Rhodes

I thought your concluding paragraph was particularly profound; humans don&#039;t ever want to consider or confront what we really do to animals: the ones we eat, the ones we lock behind bars in zoos far away from their natural habitats; the animals we dress up and make march around in costumes to entertain our children (so that they learn right away that animals possess no inherent value or worth); the animals we lasso and shock and drag to the ground in rodeos; the animals we tie up and ignore in our backyards; the animals we shoot and kill for sport and pleasure. Literally, I could go on and on. 

As misanthropic as it might sound to say it, when I hear about events like the one in San Francisco--a wild animal has killed another human--it makes me very sad; sad because of all the conditions that humans have put in place--for millenia--to guarantee such an event. What&#039;s stopping us from understanding the inevitability? Humans should have a good frame of reference: the more we remove ourselves from Nature, from community, from loving relationships, the more, we, too, become insane; the more likely we are to &quot;strike out&quot; against our fellow humans. We need not look too far or too closely to see the parallels. They are obvious and yet invisible, it seems.

When will animals--for ALL OF US--become beings that elicit our deep respect, our utmost compassion, our willingness to allow them free lives lived according to their own terms?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful piece.</p>
<p>I am anxious to know where the discussion goes. Like so many other forms of domination that humans take for granted, clearly zoos and circuses are hot buttons&#8212;as we justify the subjugation away by (in the case of zoos) saying it&#8217;s an act of ecology. And the circus: I&#8217;ve actually never heard anyone offer a compelling explanation/justification/reason/excuse.</p>
<p>Dustin Rhodes</p>
<p>I thought your concluding paragraph was particularly profound; humans don&#8217;t ever want to consider or confront what we really do to animals: the ones we eat, the ones we lock behind bars in zoos far away from their natural habitats; the animals we dress up and make march around in costumes to entertain our children (so that they learn right away that animals possess no inherent value or worth); the animals we lasso and shock and drag to the ground in rodeos; the animals we tie up and ignore in our backyards; the animals we shoot and kill for sport and pleasure. Literally, I could go on and on. </p>
<p>As misanthropic as it might sound to say it, when I hear about events like the one in San Francisco&#8211;a wild animal has killed another human&#8211;it makes me very sad; sad because of all the conditions that humans have put in place&#8211;for millenia&#8211;to guarantee such an event. What&#8217;s stopping us from understanding the inevitability? Humans should have a good frame of reference: the more we remove ourselves from Nature, from community, from loving relationships, the more, we, too, become insane; the more likely we are to &#8220;strike out&#8221; against our fellow humans. We need not look too far or too closely to see the parallels. They are obvious and yet invisible, it seems.</p>
<p>When will animals&#8211;for ALL OF US&#8211;become beings that elicit our deep respect, our utmost compassion, our willingness to allow them free lives lived according to their own terms?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Horton, Florida</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/animals-on-stage/#comment-12624</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Horton, Florida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.myspace.com/tatiana_siberian  
Tatiana died 25 Dec-2007, at the hands of the San Francisco Police Department, when she escaped from her enclosure. Was Tatiana provoked? Why was there a bloody shoe found inside her enclosure? Had they been drinking before going into the San Francisco Zoo? If anything get boys on under age drinking or open container found inside the car! That&#039;s if you don&#039;t have enough on provoking the tiger. Why didn&#039;t Tatiana get out of her enclosure before, any other day? Why that day? What about the witness that came forward? I really feel, Tatiana is the true victim here. In time, the truth will come out. It’s sad that a person had to die and others injured, but if… if the tiger was provoked or abused by so called hands, well they got what they deserved. We expect a wild animal to live by our rules, in a cage knowing this can never be. The deep desire to be free is in all of us. Even if she was caught and put back into her cage, I think there might have been a cry to put her down anyways. Even for a brief moment if she felt free, makes me smile &amp; heart glow with joy. For the last minutes of her life she knew, what it felt to have freedom.</description>
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Tatiana died 25 Dec-2007, at the hands of the San Francisco Police Department, when she escaped from her enclosure. Was Tatiana provoked? Why was there a bloody shoe found inside her enclosure? Had they been drinking before going into the San Francisco Zoo? If anything get boys on under age drinking or open container found inside the car! That&#8217;s if you don&#8217;t have enough on provoking the tiger. Why didn&#8217;t Tatiana get out of her enclosure before, any other day? Why that day? What about the witness that came forward? I really feel, Tatiana is the true victim here. In time, the truth will come out. It’s sad that a person had to die and others injured, but if… if the tiger was provoked or abused by so called hands, well they got what they deserved. We expect a wild animal to live by our rules, in a cage knowing this can never be. The deep desire to be free is in all of us. Even if she was caught and put back into her cage, I think there might have been a cry to put her down anyways. Even for a brief moment if she felt free, makes me smile &amp; heart glow with joy. For the last minutes of her life she knew, what it felt to have freedom.</p>
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