i agree totally. all i want to say.

No, John, that is a lie, there is no such quote from Kiir. Those were Nkrumah’s own words NOT the words of Kiir.
As for your Francis Bok and the rest of it, all very selective and emotive, you seem totally blind to the state of our world — you’ll find millions of stories of enslavement and torture across the world far worse than his including in Europe, the US (and by the US), and Israel.

Nelson Mandela’s action os perfectly in line with his status as an embraceable black African “leader” who has put a black face on white supremacy in South Africa. MAndela and teh ANC sold out, how else do you suppose they came to power? If you believe that Mandela is a peoples leader, all you have to do is investigate a bit to find out how he supportes and has supported multinational corporations in the mining sector, their interests in Congo (DRC) being a very poignant example of Mandela’s taking teh corporate line and pressing the corporate agenda against the Congolese. But there are plenty of examples for anyone willing to look behind tyhe propaganda. The other way to tell that Mandela is doing what the white system wants is to point to all the bad press he is getting…..zero.

Mugabe is another Mandela who turned rotten and so teh system attacks Mugabe now. Just as they will likely attack MAndela one day, unless he dies peddling the white agenda, as he is now.

blessings
keith

http://www.merip.org/mer/mer234/aidi.html

Slavery, Genocide and the Politics of Outrage: Understanding the New “Racial Olympics”

Hishaam D. Aidi

Hishaam D. Aidi is a researcher at the Middle East Institute at Columbia University.

In October 1999, PBS aired TheWonders of the African World, a six-part documentary produced by the renowned African-American intellectual, Henry Louis Gates, wherein the Harvard educator travels from Egypt to Sudan and down the Swahili coast of East Africa and up though parts of West Africa examining the encounter between Africa and Arab civilization and the role of Africans and Arabs in the enslavement of Africans. In Egypt, Gates reflects on the “facial features” of monuments in Aswan, noting the “blackness” of the pharaohs and pondering whether construction of the Aswan Dam that inundated ancient Nubia was an act of Arab racism. In the coastal Kenyan cities of Lamu and Mombasa, and on the island of Zanzibar, he talks to a number of natives who, to his dismay, define themselves as being of “Arab” or “Persian” descent. “To me, people here look about as Persian as Mike Tyson,” Gates remarks, “It’s taken my people 50 years to move from Negro to black to African-American. I wonder how long it will take the Swahili to call themselves African.”
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Comedian Drew Carey has joked that “Arabs in America should just say they’re Mexican and they’ll be fine,” but Hispanic intellectuals who have reflected on the “Arab-Latino resemblance” find it no laughing matter. Sociologist Ramon Grosfoguel, who studies how different “looks” and identities are racialized in the West, notes that in France he is often harassed and prevented from entering different venues because he’s mistaken for Algerian (“le look beur”), but when he tells his harassers that he is Puerto Rican, he is allowed to enter. In the US, by contrast, when waylaid by a gang of anti-Latino white supremacists, he said he was Algerian and the confused youths let him go.[81] After September 11, however, few Latinos would try the same ruse. When the Pentagon began targeting Latinos for higher recruitment in the military, conspiracy theories abounded that Hispanics were being sent to Iraq because they can “pass” for Arab. As one blogger put it, “The enemy is brown. We need brown troops. [Hispanics] blend in better.” While some Latinos and African-Americans may embrace a position of pro-Arab solidarity, others try to signal that they are not Arab or Muslim, most often by vociferously adopting anti-Arab positions.

The “looking Arab” phenomenon is further complicated by the fact that, since September 11, many Arab- and Muslim-Americans are trying to “pass” for black or Hispanic. “After September 11, shave your head, grow a goatee, that’s it—you’re Dominican,” said one Yemeni grocer in Harlem.[82] The sudden interest of Arab-Americans, who have long dissociated themselves from minorities, in racial politics and black and Latino identity has annoyed more than a few observers. “Arabs and black Americans have had a quiet disdain for each other…and it has been brewing unabated for a decade or better,” commented one African-American writer. “Why did whites have to come for you, before you sought my friendship, before you realized you were from Africa

RE: Samantha Power — Have any of you folks seen this?
HOTEL RWANDA: Hollywood and the Holocaust in Central Africa
http://www.allthingspass.com/journalism.php?catid=47

On the points by Shabnam above: the US/Israel are all over Ethiopia and Congo. In Cong you’ve got extremely deep Israeli involvement but also a Lebanese middleman in, for example, the diamonds trade, and this creates interesting currents/tensions/competitions/alliances. One sees in the, and I may be wrong, that it is all about doing business. This is why Dan Gertler –the new Israeli-American “king of the congo” — doesn’t mind working with the German Krupps firm.

Also, I have to say, whether it is “resources” or a “zionist” project — I am no expert on the deeper ideological nuances. I just write what I see. I’m a self-educated former red-neck lower middle class farmer. big gaps in my (self) “education”. sorry.
keith

blessings

Shabnam, maybe you just don’t think water is a resource(?)

Mr. Snow can obviously speak for himself, but I see absolutely no contradiction between what I said and what he is saying here and else where. Since I agree with Snow, I really think you’ve wasted a whole lot of venom on the wrong guy. Perhaps you disagree with Keith(?)

“sk, I think Keith has made it abundantly clear that he sees the root cause (and there are a number of actors) as resource driven.”

Mr. Snow may believe the end game is for resources of these countries but he repeatedly reminds us that these atrocities and propaganda campaign for destabilization is directed against another ISLAMIC COUNTRY which is happened to be an enemy of Israel and supporter of Palestinians. If it is only for resources why not go to Congo which is equally, if not more, rich in resources and the conflict in Congo is much worse compare to Darfur. Congo is a Christian country and is not pro Palestinian struggle. If it is only for resources why not go into Ethiopia which is stronghold of Israel, instead US and Israel wage a war against Muslims in Somalia and are involved in killing of Muslim population with the help of a puppet state of Israel, Ethiopia.

Snow writes in another article:
”The Judeo-Christian front against Sudan is linked to right-wing think tanks and policy institutes in the USA, including Zionist groups and the Christian Coalition, and the “genocide” theme has its origins in these institutions, not in the realities on the ground Sudan. These religious groups, with backing from the Holocaust industry in the US and the Jewish Affairs Council, from Henry Kissinger and Samantha Power, have today constituted a massive public relations campaign in an ongoing Holy War against the Islamist government of Khartoum, and Islamic people more generally. This is an affront to Holocaust victims and survivors, and it is all about money, power and it is founded on the fear and manipulation of Holy war.”

From the above quote is obvious that the Zionists are deeply involved in destabilization of Sudan, another Islamic country, through different organization such as “Save Darfur”, “American Anti-Slavery Group” with the Zionist anti Palestinian as its director, Charles Jacobs, Holocaust Museum, or Holocaust industry, Jewish Affairs Council, and…. Many other Zionist organizations and with spurious charge of “genocide” to divide Sudan into microscopic states to create puppet states such as Ethiopia to control the resources including WATER of the RED SEA to support the fantasy of the Zionist plan “greater
Israel”, going from Mauritania to Afghanistan, a colonial project.

Bit number one: I remember reading about the New American Century and that one of their goals was to acquire control over resources in the world while most people still don’t realize how limited those resources are in the world (and I think they mean oil in particular here). The New American Century believes in using any means needed in order to “secure” America’s future as number one.

Bit number two: Travelling about, I have met a number of Sudanese – Muslim, Christian, and otherwise. I have always made it a point to get their stories if possible. Naturally, each has his or her own ideas about what is going on – but none has a story about slavery (not to say it doesn’t happen, but some of the Christians seemed surprised to hear about it when I mentioned it) – John: “abeed” is Arabic for “slave”; why you need to say “black slave” shows a bit of ignorance or misinformation. Also, this idea of stealing children and then employing them as soldiers or sex slaves happens across Africa and is not just a “Sudan” or “Darfur” problem.

Bottom line is that everyone agrees, for better or worse, that the Americans have kept this problem going for decades – and not just in Darfur. Most American help has come through Christian charities (who claim to be buying back slaves!). Oddly, some have mentioned “Christian charities” providing arms. Many have said that it was totally unclear who the thugs were that came through and destroyed a village or even why.

Last note on the slavery thing: From a few that I have met I have heard of families taking in orphaned children and bringing them up as Muslim or Christian – and even those “Christian charities” coming to take Christian children out of Muslim homes after giving a “gift” of dollars to the villagers. While the treatment of these children is horrible in our eyes, uneducated villagers cannot be expected to hold the “lofty moral ideas” we have in the West. We might “respect” a child to retain their family’s culture and religion, but in a villager’s eyes the way he lives is best. But then again, I saw a Colorado Springs based “Christian charity” asking for money once to “buy” orphaned Muslim kids so that they could be brought up proper Christians.

Ideology is central to the narrative (the stories told to foster a particular world view). And that narrative is built on dominance. And dominance is about turning large portions of the globe into (or maintaining them) as supplier region/nations (of said resources) and controlling the distribution channels – i.e., hegeomy.

That does not mean that there has not been continued civil conflict which pre-dates US/West/Israel desire to dominate the region.

http://hadiclippinge.blogspot.com/2006/10/wake-up-and-smell-oil-true-agenda.html

[An aside: Is Dershowitz such a believer tha he shuts his brain down? I mean does he ever ask himself: "why to they want me to mouth this crap?" I doubt it because there is no need to think beyond the simplicity of "genocide" or "anti-semitism"; words that explain all to those so inclined.]

Dr. Gino Strada, founder of the NGO Emergency and someone who’s painfully familiar with the reality of Darfur–yet, unusually for an aid worker, doesn’t mince his words when speaking of harsh realities that cut the wrong way with funding foundations and donors–put it like this in an audio interview (transcript here):

All of this business of genocide in Sudan, for instance, I think has come up as an idea to sort of pave the ground for a possible military intervention. And next door there is the Federal Republic–Democratic Republic of Congo, where four million people have died because of the conflict, and no one has ever thought about mentioning genocide. So I think that, you know, we should try to get media attention to the real problems. Humanitarian problems cannot be, you know, submitted to politics basically, and this is what happens regularly. A country comes to the light of the media when there are some political agendas from very powerful nations behind them. Think about Afghanistan. Who speaks about Afghanistan now?

To summarize, if you don’t want to become an “unwitting shill” for ulterior agendas, you’d do well to pay attention to the politics behind portrayal of these undoutedly terrible situations.

Mahmood Mamdani decries all these “silences” and yet he perpetuates them. There must be some subliminal current informing his work.

First there was “Imperialism and Fascism in Uganda” 1983- published while Mamdani was comfortably living in Uganda with his buddies Museveni and Kagame. But even before that, we find Mamdani teaching at Univ of Dar Es Salaam — a “marxist” university in the 1970’s — and his students ae a remarkablly motley crew who, unremarkably, end up in all these key positions of power. Yoweri Museveni, Paul Kagame, John Garang (assassinated), Laurent Desire Kabila (assassinated), Wamba Dia Wamba. Wayne Madsen (in his important book: Genocide and Covert Operations in Africa, 1993-1999) I believe also includes Meles Zenawi in this motley crew.

Museveni is the savior who ousts the regime (Obote) who exiled Mamdani the second time. (His Imperialsim and Fascism is about Idi Amin who exiled Mamdani the first time.) Mamdani takes on positions of power in Uganda in parallel with the rise of power of Museveni and the massive bloodletting that occurs in consolidation of the NRM project 1981-1989. Mamdani seems to continue working with Museveni through the 1990’s. he has a house in Kampala… meanwhile Museveni is perpetrating genocide in Northern Uganda and backing the invasions of Rwanda (1990-1995) and Congo (1996-1997, and 1998-present) and ongoing war in Congo.

When Mamdani talks about “silences” it strikes me as a little close to the (untold) truth. WHEN VICTIMS BECOME KILLERS says nothing, and supports his former students Kagame and Museveni.

If Mamdani is honest his veracity is subordinated to the very real probability that he would be silenced himself if he were to honestly expose what he knows to in fact be true. So Mamdani then has to be seen in the white supremacist construct of “embraceable” black men: as long as he doesnt cross a certain line, or enter into the terrain that does not reside on the spectrum of allowed and encouraged — even radical — debate (remember “radicals” are necessary to the facade of free speech) then he can enjoy all the perks of the white project. And he does. Herbert blah blah blah Lehman professor of Anthropology at Columbia — a hotbed of CIA activity.

So, no, I don’t disagree with mamdani’s overall assertion about Darfur. It’s just that, given the really heavy involvement of all these wetsren covert forces and “humanitarian” (quite literally shipping weapons) armies…. Mamdani is not radical.

Is this ad hominem? I never understood the term.

Now check out this little nugget:
Harold K. Hochschild Foundation directors’ link to Sullivan and Cromwell.

See, white males just don’t know when to stop…! lol.

blessings
keith

Personally, I find this connection of radicalism (or not) to be totally irrelvent regarding Mamdani; whether someone was once a maoist or aligned with someother ism isn’t the point. Mamdani wrote, and yes it was published in London Review of Books. Mr. Snow, while I won’t quibble with your accounting of US/Irael involvement in Africa and specifically Darfur, your attack on Mamdani seems all too ideosyncratic and beside the point. What has he said, specifically in the LRoB or the interview that you find false (or misleading)?

Do you disagree with his overall assertion: that Darfur is not an example of genocide; that to claim such is to invite the kind of imperialistic interventionism that we’ve seen since the dawn Western Empire. That is, after all, the thrust of his piece.

Otherwise your “attack on” him sounds stikingly like an ad hominem.

Beyond this point Mr. Snow I still find you original post valuable.

In reviewing my posts I have to agree with you John that I expressed contempt that comes across as directed at you. It is not. My apologies. Your questions are perfectly reasonable.

I have a lot of contempt for the propaganda, and for the lying liars that lie it. Frances Bok falls in this category for me. It’s like (someone) asking me how I like, or if I disagree with the book “We Regret to INform You That Tomorrow We Will Be Killed With Our Families”… its so totally one-sided it takes on so much fiction we can’t begin to trust any of it. Same with Mr. Bok.

On Nov 23 I posted: “While there are certainly cases of “slavery” in Sudan,” and I reiterate here that I do not deny that slavery has occurred in Sudan. what I have tried so badly to say is that its not approrpiate,, in the context of U.S. genocide and covert operations in Africa, to focus our attention in that without at least offering the evidence of the militant white (Judeo-Christian) project behind it.

So, John, please accept my sincere apologies. I will not post again. I have already taken on the role of white man who can’t shut up (which I so detest).

blessings
keith

Again, my original posting to your article was to object to what I viewed as a blanket dismissal of Arabs enslaving and killing Blacks, that’s all. You don’t seem to view it as a big problem, if it is a problem at all and/or you are not interested in it. Fine, I get it. I think many would be more inclined to listen to you if you dropped the dismissiveness.

Marcelle: I respect Mr. Snow. I think he should return the favor.