Comments on: Pope Honors Spanish “Martyrs” http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:46:58 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: rene http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/#comment-10897 rene Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:54:45 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/#comment-10897 Thanks for the information of the recent beatification in Rome and of Father Zabala. The Augustinian Friar, Gabino Olaso Zabala was making headlines in the Philippines because of his involvement for torutring a Filipino priest in the late 1800's. His action was unjustifiable and many Filipinos are having mixed feelings of his beatification. If you read the history of the Philippines you will find out how Filipinos were mistreated by the Spanish missionaries since the beginning of Christianization in the country and their abuses continued until all Spanish missionaries were kicked out of the Philippines. And one of them was Father Gabino Olaso Zabala. Another controversial Spanish figure whose canoninaztion is pending is Mother Francisca Fuentes of the Dominican Sisters of St. Catherine of Siena. She was a Spaniard born in 1647 in the Philippines. The Dominican convent was established by Spanish Fr. Juan in 1696 and Mother Francisca was the prioress. The dominican community did not accept native Filipinos becasue of their race. It was limited to 15 Sisters all Spaniards. Filipinos were barred. The Dominican nuns are trying to make her a saint. But since Francisca praticed discrimination how can she be considered a saint ? Thanks for the information of the recent beatification in Rome and of Father Zabala. The Augustinian Friar, Gabino Olaso Zabala was making headlines in the Philippines because of his involvement for torutring a Filipino priest in the late 1800’s. His action was unjustifiable and many Filipinos are having mixed feelings of his beatification. If you read the history of the Philippines you will find out how Filipinos were mistreated by the Spanish missionaries since the beginning of Christianization in the country and their abuses continued until all Spanish missionaries were kicked out of the Philippines. And one of them was Father Gabino Olaso Zabala. Another controversial Spanish figure whose canoninaztion is pending is Mother Francisca Fuentes of the Dominican Sisters of St. Catherine of Siena. She was a Spaniard born in 1647 in the Philippines. The Dominican convent was established by Spanish Fr. Juan in 1696 and Mother Francisca was the prioress. The dominican community did not accept native Filipinos becasue of their race. It was limited to 15 Sisters all Spaniards. Filipinos were barred. The Dominican nuns are trying to make her a saint. But since Francisca praticed discrimination how can she be considered a saint ?

]]> By: David Kennedy http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/#comment-8510 David Kennedy Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:40:42 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/#comment-8510 Thanks Professor Leupp for your timely reminder of what the Roman Catholic Church stands for and the traditions it holds dear. Of course, this latest mass beatification has no political implications! Nor did Pope Pius X11’s sympathy for Hitler and the Nazi cause. Superstition seems to be a weakness of the human brain, probably linked to the development of the imagination. It is certainly enormously powerful and many people seem more inclined to believe their superstitions rather than their senses and reasoning faculty. Is this because of the brainwashing children undergo with respect to religion and the reason for life? The Jesuits made great claims for their teaching methods if they caught the children early enough. Were it not for all of the wars and strife it has caused over the centuries, religion could be passed off as a relatively harmless distraction. Sadly, too much evil and suffering arises from adherence to religious belief as witnessed by the current conflagration in the Middle East. It seems to me that there is some terrible weakness in the human brain, probably associated with imagination and its interaction with the emotional centre of the brain, that has led humans to create the idea of a ‘god’ made in man’s image and which has ‘empowered’ man with dominion over all other forms of life. I fear that this is leading us not only to self-destruction, but possibly to the destruction of all life on earth. Such is the power of self-delusion. Thanks Professor Leupp for your timely reminder of what the Roman Catholic Church stands for and the traditions it holds dear.

Of course, this latest mass beatification has no political implications! Nor did Pope Pius X11’s sympathy for Hitler and the Nazi cause.

Superstition seems to be a weakness of the human brain, probably linked to the development of the imagination. It is certainly enormously powerful and many people seem more inclined to believe their superstitions rather than their senses and reasoning faculty. Is this because of the brainwashing children undergo with respect to religion and the reason for life? The Jesuits made great claims for their teaching methods if they caught the children early enough.

Were it not for all of the wars and strife it has caused over the centuries, religion could be passed off as a relatively harmless distraction. Sadly, too much evil and suffering arises from adherence to religious belief as witnessed by the current conflagration in the Middle East.

It seems to me that there is some terrible weakness in the human brain, probably associated with imagination and its interaction with the emotional centre of the brain, that has led humans to create the idea of a ‘god’ made in man’s image and which has ‘empowered’ man with dominion over all other forms of life. I fear that this is leading us not only to self-destruction, but possibly to the destruction of all life on earth.

Such is the power of self-delusion.

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/#comment-8387 Hue Longer Sat, 03 Nov 2007 21:36:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/#comment-8387 Wow Michael, it's not like he climaxed into a gym sock...as a "man of Christ" he participated in the beat down of a priest...Repent? Sure, ok I guess---- but a fugging Saint?! Wow Michael,

it’s not like he climaxed into a gym sock…as a “man of Christ” he participated in the beat down of a priest…Repent? Sure, ok I guess—- but a fugging Saint?!

]]> By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/#comment-8385 Michael Kenny Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:45:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/#comment-8385 Wow! An Agustinian friar who died in the 1930s committed a sin in 1896, for which he in all probability subsequently repented! What church could survive a scandal of that magnitude! Come back, Jimmy Swaggert, all is forgiven! Wow! An Agustinian friar who died in the 1930s committed a sin in 1896, for which he in all probability subsequently repented! What church could survive a scandal of that magnitude! Come back, Jimmy Swaggert, all is forgiven!

]]> By: kikz http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/#comment-8373 kikz Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:43:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/#comment-8373 man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. d. diderot man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

d. diderot

]]> By: sk http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/#comment-8364 sk Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:17:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/pope-honors-spanish-%e2%80%9cmartyrs%e2%80%9d/#comment-8364 Here are some more Spanish "martyrs" being <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hGeKZymLZ0" rel="nofollow">honored</a>. As George Mosse demonstrated, the cult of the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Fallen-Soldiers-Reshaping-Memory-World/dp/0195071395" rel="nofollow">"fallen hero"</a> holds a lot of emotional appeal for this crowd. Incidentally, the Phalangists--"the only truly fascist group ever to emerge in the Mideast" as Eric Margolis <a href="http://www.ericmargolis.com/archives/2006/08/the_big_lie_abo.php" rel="nofollow">put</a> it--were also mentioned in this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecxaOgDKHB0" rel="nofollow">rally</a>. Should be interesting viewing to those given to connecting non-existent dots to prove that this type of politics has anything to do with "Islamofascism", whatever that means. Here are some more Spanish “martyrs” being honored. As George Mosse demonstrated, the cult of the “fallen hero” holds a lot of emotional appeal for this crowd.

Incidentally, the Phalangists–”the only truly fascist group ever to emerge in the Mideast” as Eric Margolis put it–were also mentioned in this rally. Should be interesting viewing to those given to connecting non-existent dots to prove that this type of politics has anything to do with “Islamofascism”, whatever that means.

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