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		<title>By: The rawest G ever</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-44045</link>
		<dc:creator>The rawest G ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[illegal immigration i wacked out]]></description>
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		<title>By: stephan geras</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8567</link>
		<dc:creator>stephan geras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh irony irony that makes a rose look like anything but a rose! The idealistic naieve slope Mr. weisser is sliding down leads to more totalitarian control than he can see. Isn&#039;t everyone fighting for what they &quot;believe&quot; in? Isn&#039;t justice and the public debate rigged to favor the rich? Isn&#039;t institutionalized racism a secret on the block? Is the &quot;word&quot; mightier than the sword?
As I say, &quot;arbeit macht frei&quot;...delicious irony.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh irony irony that makes a rose look like anything but a rose! The idealistic naieve slope Mr. weisser is sliding down leads to more totalitarian control than he can see. Isn&#8217;t everyone fighting for what they &#8220;believe&#8221; in? Isn&#8217;t justice and the public debate rigged to favor the rich? Isn&#8217;t institutionalized racism a secret on the block? Is the &#8220;word&#8221; mightier than the sword?<br />
As I say, &#8220;arbeit macht frei&#8221;&#8230;delicious irony.</p>
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		<title>By: CaliforniaCaucasian</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8565</link>
		<dc:creator>CaliforniaCaucasian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well put Mikel. As you have requested, this will be my last communication on the topic. As a fellow American who has experience the “Majority Minority” you speak with wisdom and hope for the continued success of the American experiment. However, I must insist that although there have been other languages in America’s past English has long been our prevailing language. As much as I agree that diversity is the spice of life, you have to admit that without English unifying such a diverse land we would never have made it to today? There would have been civil wars! From the wars we have fought to the social precedents of being the first nation in history to challenge many long standing status quos (slavery, we abolished it, women’s rights, yea we made that happen too) America has done it all using English to communicate. And I do believe that this unifying language has and always will be the key to our Melting Pot success. Other than that, if we ever hope to get off this planet, generate free energy, recognize all people as “Humans” and colonize our galaxy I can’t imagine there being a competition among languages, not unless it’s some alien species (and I don’t mean undocumented). The future must hold that one language will bind all others for the growth of humanity and sake of the human race. America has long since figured that piece of the puzzle out it’s just that we’ve never had to explain ourselves or defend the foundation of this fading truth and now must organize to defend the strength that one language has granted our diverse country for so long, the most diverse country in the world. Then again there is always Spanglish? Beam me up Scotty me duele la cabeza.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put Mikel. As you have requested, this will be my last communication on the topic. As a fellow American who has experience the “Majority Minority” you speak with wisdom and hope for the continued success of the American experiment. However, I must insist that although there have been other languages in America’s past English has long been our prevailing language. As much as I agree that diversity is the spice of life, you have to admit that without English unifying such a diverse land we would never have made it to today? There would have been civil wars! From the wars we have fought to the social precedents of being the first nation in history to challenge many long standing status quos (slavery, we abolished it, women’s rights, yea we made that happen too) America has done it all using English to communicate. And I do believe that this unifying language has and always will be the key to our Melting Pot success. Other than that, if we ever hope to get off this planet, generate free energy, recognize all people as “Humans” and colonize our galaxy I can’t imagine there being a competition among languages, not unless it’s some alien species (and I don’t mean undocumented). The future must hold that one language will bind all others for the growth of humanity and sake of the human race. America has long since figured that piece of the puzzle out it’s just that we’ve never had to explain ourselves or defend the foundation of this fading truth and now must organize to defend the strength that one language has granted our diverse country for so long, the most diverse country in the world. Then again there is always Spanglish? Beam me up Scotty me duele la cabeza.</p>
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		<title>By: mikel weisser</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8541</link>
		<dc:creator>mikel weisser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, while i appreciate all the discussion this column has generated, i don&#039;t want to dally on this issue too much longer since today the Kucinich impeachment move has hit the airwaves and i need to get to working on a new column. However, I would like to spend a little time to respectfully refute a couple of points in your assertions. 

1) English the langauge of this country
Going ahead and discounting the first 10-30 thousand years of occupancy for this land, in the US history era German was often more commonly spoken in the territorial US than English. Not surprising since nationality-wise there are more US citizens descended from German immigrants than any other country of origin (check out the histories of bilingual education). In the mid-1800s it got  to the point that there was serious discussion of making German the official language.
2) And i am not intending to bait you, but ... i think more rightly it should be our ideals espoused in whatever language personally chosen that unite our country. The belief in honesty, integrity, hard work, compassion, a hope of fair reward for honest effort, a faith in ingenuity, respect for our fellow man, a willingness to help those less fortunate than ourselves, a willingness to stand up and even, when absolutely necessary, fight for what we believe in and most importantly a celebration, a championing of inclusion and diversity, THOSE ideas are what unite us; and they can be espoused in any language, or denied just as easily. As a teacher i see hatred, insistent  ignorance, self interst, greed, and manipulation come in all colors from students, who haven&#039;t been taught these ideals in any language. 

Growing up on the border of Texas, i too experienced ignorance and racist from some Hispanics. I was jumped beaten by gangs of toughs merely because i was a &quot;bolejo&quot;who wandered into the wrong neighborhood. Yeah, I hated it. But i was also abused and ostracized by white kids too. 

I am SURE you have met some Hispanics guilty of your accusations, but i betcha if you think about it, you&#039;ll know that there are plenty of anglos who would embarrass you along the same lines as your disappointments with some of the Hispanics you&#039;ve met.

--weisser
PS: CONTACT CONGRESS TO SUPPORT HR333: Impeach Cheney.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, while i appreciate all the discussion this column has generated, i don&#8217;t want to dally on this issue too much longer since today the Kucinich impeachment move has hit the airwaves and i need to get to working on a new column. However, I would like to spend a little time to respectfully refute a couple of points in your assertions. </p>
<p>1) English the langauge of this country<br />
Going ahead and discounting the first 10-30 thousand years of occupancy for this land, in the US history era German was often more commonly spoken in the territorial US than English. Not surprising since nationality-wise there are more US citizens descended from German immigrants than any other country of origin (check out the histories of bilingual education). In the mid-1800s it got  to the point that there was serious discussion of making German the official language.<br />
2) And i am not intending to bait you, but &#8230; i think more rightly it should be our ideals espoused in whatever language personally chosen that unite our country. The belief in honesty, integrity, hard work, compassion, a hope of fair reward for honest effort, a faith in ingenuity, respect for our fellow man, a willingness to help those less fortunate than ourselves, a willingness to stand up and even, when absolutely necessary, fight for what we believe in and most importantly a celebration, a championing of inclusion and diversity, THOSE ideas are what unite us; and they can be espoused in any language, or denied just as easily. As a teacher i see hatred, insistent  ignorance, self interst, greed, and manipulation come in all colors from students, who haven&#8217;t been taught these ideals in any language. </p>
<p>Growing up on the border of Texas, i too experienced ignorance and racist from some Hispanics. I was jumped beaten by gangs of toughs merely because i was a &#8220;bolejo&#8221;who wandered into the wrong neighborhood. Yeah, I hated it. But i was also abused and ostracized by white kids too. </p>
<p>I am SURE you have met some Hispanics guilty of your accusations, but i betcha if you think about it, you&#8217;ll know that there are plenty of anglos who would embarrass you along the same lines as your disappointments with some of the Hispanics you&#8217;ve met.</p>
<p>&#8211;weisser<br />
PS: CONTACT CONGRESS TO SUPPORT HR333: Impeach Cheney.</p>
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		<title>By: CaliforniaCaucasian</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8519</link>
		<dc:creator>CaliforniaCaucasian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mikel I do agree that the opportunity to learn another language is highly respectable, but what your are saying is that Americans should be forced to learn Spanish and for what, this is our country. Mexico has always been their and only now with millions of undocumented Mexicans (meaning they never had to learn English) in our country Americans should change our language? Should we become more like Mexico as they have set such a high standard of living that all there people flee to our country? 
The issue is that Canada has always had problems with the language barrier as the French Canadians use this as a way to distinguish themselves from the rest of Canada, true discrimination and social divide. Although I agree with you about learning a new language the Good Old U.S.A speaks English, we always have and always will. Do think that if American’s had to learn every language of every immigrant populous that ever migrated to this nation that we would be any better off today? We would be in shambles. And to now have to learn Spanish for lake immigrants who won’t repay this country is an insult to every other ethnicity that has every set foot on our shores. English unifies this country and allows all citizens to communicate in equal understanding. 
You do realize the cost that is involved in supporting multiple languages; printing Spanish along with English on every package just to be fair. If Americans are to learn another language why must it be Spanish? What about all the other thousands of languages that are represented in this country, are they no more important because the immigrants that brought them here actually learned to speak English instead? If it aint broke don’t fix it. To discredit English as our official language is to choose ignorance and claim the right to NOT communicate with your fellow Americans? It is the responsibility of the immigrant to change and integrate to our culture not foster ignorance and dissension. And the terrorists will love this. Just think how easy it will be for them to infiltrate our country if no one speaks the same language. I know personally that the minute I hear someone speak I can tell if they are an immigrant and I have the right to know what they are saying in public. Don&#039;t give immigrants an excuse to speak any other language it will only divide this country further! 
For example, a kid was lost in the store the other day. I saw his mother across the way, but when I went to help him the boy could not understand my English, his mother only spoke Spanish. As a citizen I was concerned for the boy&#039;s safety but because the mother only taught him Spanish I couldn&#039;t help. Does this mean that I am wrong and that I am a bad American? Or do you think I should learn every ethnic language in this country just to be fare and not have to force a poor mother learn to embrace the language of her new country? Mikel you need to realize that what you suggest with forcing Americans to learn Spanish is anti-productive, backwards and sends the wrong message to an already growing dissident populous of confused Americans of Mexican decent. We must all be Americans regardless of color, religion or ethnicity and English is our language, to compromise is to destroy the sole attempt at a global community of truly diverse people communicating on the same level. THINK ABOUT IT!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikel I do agree that the opportunity to learn another language is highly respectable, but what your are saying is that Americans should be forced to learn Spanish and for what, this is our country. Mexico has always been their and only now with millions of undocumented Mexicans (meaning they never had to learn English) in our country Americans should change our language? Should we become more like Mexico as they have set such a high standard of living that all there people flee to our country?<br />
The issue is that Canada has always had problems with the language barrier as the French Canadians use this as a way to distinguish themselves from the rest of Canada, true discrimination and social divide. Although I agree with you about learning a new language the Good Old U.S.A speaks English, we always have and always will. Do think that if American’s had to learn every language of every immigrant populous that ever migrated to this nation that we would be any better off today? We would be in shambles. And to now have to learn Spanish for lake immigrants who won’t repay this country is an insult to every other ethnicity that has every set foot on our shores. English unifies this country and allows all citizens to communicate in equal understanding.<br />
You do realize the cost that is involved in supporting multiple languages; printing Spanish along with English on every package just to be fair. If Americans are to learn another language why must it be Spanish? What about all the other thousands of languages that are represented in this country, are they no more important because the immigrants that brought them here actually learned to speak English instead? If it aint broke don’t fix it. To discredit English as our official language is to choose ignorance and claim the right to NOT communicate with your fellow Americans? It is the responsibility of the immigrant to change and integrate to our culture not foster ignorance and dissension. And the terrorists will love this. Just think how easy it will be for them to infiltrate our country if no one speaks the same language. I know personally that the minute I hear someone speak I can tell if they are an immigrant and I have the right to know what they are saying in public. Don&#8217;t give immigrants an excuse to speak any other language it will only divide this country further!<br />
For example, a kid was lost in the store the other day. I saw his mother across the way, but when I went to help him the boy could not understand my English, his mother only spoke Spanish. As a citizen I was concerned for the boy&#8217;s safety but because the mother only taught him Spanish I couldn&#8217;t help. Does this mean that I am wrong and that I am a bad American? Or do you think I should learn every ethnic language in this country just to be fare and not have to force a poor mother learn to embrace the language of her new country? Mikel you need to realize that what you suggest with forcing Americans to learn Spanish is anti-productive, backwards and sends the wrong message to an already growing dissident populous of confused Americans of Mexican decent. We must all be Americans regardless of color, religion or ethnicity and English is our language, to compromise is to destroy the sole attempt at a global community of truly diverse people communicating on the same level. THINK ABOUT IT!</p>
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		<title>By: mikel weisser</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8496</link>
		<dc:creator>mikel weisser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to the Cali Cauc&#039;, i also am American and what i want is to follow the model Canada has adopted in response to their French speaking min0rity: require schools to teach ALL students both languages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the Cali Cauc&#8217;, i also am American and what i want is to follow the model Canada has adopted in response to their French speaking min0rity: require schools to teach ALL students both languages.</p>
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		<title>By: CaliforniaCaucasian</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8462</link>
		<dc:creator>CaliforniaCaucasian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UNITY OVER DIVERSITY!
I do feel that Mexicans from Mexico are smart, hardworking and good natured. The problem these immigrants don’t see is that American Mexicans are and always will be a better mix then Mexico Mexicans, just like American French Canadian Irish German Polish American Indian Americans, or as I&#039;ve been labeled &quot;European&quot;. What a joke. I feel we are all Americans and having grown up in Southern California (Anaheim) I was the only &quot;European&quot; around, in fact my mother couldn’t get job because she didn’t speak Spanish only English, turning discrimination on its head. I had plenty of close friends who where children of Mexican Immigrants, only difference was that they spoke English and their parents (bless their hearts) encouraged them to represent and embrace American values.
 Unfornutely, that was only 10% of my peers growing up, the rest of my &quot;latino&quot; &quot;hispanic&quot; &quot;chicano&quot; friends were proud Mexicans and waved Mexican flags and joined Mexican gangs all on American Soil (Sorry Mexico Mexicans America paid your corrupt country for this land long ago and your people wasted that too). It was cool to be a Mexican in SoCo and I must admit I liked having some Latino soul in my culture, but most only used their “Minority” status as a ploy. Mexico Mexicans would use the Spanish language to play the ingorance card in class while waiting to jump a lowly &quot;Caucasian&quot; after class, adding insult by slurring their threats using perfect English. 
The problem is that the American people have been convinced that diversity should out way unity and how can a country be uified when our English language isn&#039;t even respected. Bottom line, Mexico will continue to send us thier tiered masses through the backdoors of liberty. Mexicans will never know freedom like Americans and hence will never rally with the courage to clean up their own country. All Americans want is respect for the Red, White and Blue and a plege to speak and use the English language. The rest will sort itself out. America is strong because it is a melting pot, and I am a proud product of generations of real “Diversity” a true American Mutt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UNITY OVER DIVERSITY!<br />
I do feel that Mexicans from Mexico are smart, hardworking and good natured. The problem these immigrants don’t see is that American Mexicans are and always will be a better mix then Mexico Mexicans, just like American French Canadian Irish German Polish American Indian Americans, or as I&#8217;ve been labeled &#8220;European&#8221;. What a joke. I feel we are all Americans and having grown up in Southern California (Anaheim) I was the only &#8220;European&#8221; around, in fact my mother couldn’t get job because she didn’t speak Spanish only English, turning discrimination on its head. I had plenty of close friends who where children of Mexican Immigrants, only difference was that they spoke English and their parents (bless their hearts) encouraged them to represent and embrace American values.<br />
 Unfornutely, that was only 10% of my peers growing up, the rest of my &#8220;latino&#8221; &#8220;hispanic&#8221; &#8220;chicano&#8221; friends were proud Mexicans and waved Mexican flags and joined Mexican gangs all on American Soil (Sorry Mexico Mexicans America paid your corrupt country for this land long ago and your people wasted that too). It was cool to be a Mexican in SoCo and I must admit I liked having some Latino soul in my culture, but most only used their “Minority” status as a ploy. Mexico Mexicans would use the Spanish language to play the ingorance card in class while waiting to jump a lowly &#8220;Caucasian&#8221; after class, adding insult by slurring their threats using perfect English.<br />
The problem is that the American people have been convinced that diversity should out way unity and how can a country be uified when our English language isn&#8217;t even respected. Bottom line, Mexico will continue to send us thier tiered masses through the backdoors of liberty. Mexicans will never know freedom like Americans and hence will never rally with the courage to clean up their own country. All Americans want is respect for the Red, White and Blue and a plege to speak and use the English language. The rest will sort itself out. America is strong because it is a melting pot, and I am a proud product of generations of real “Diversity” a true American Mutt.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan Geras</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8441</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan Geras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have great respect for people who work hard and strive for excellence, no matter what race or ethnicity, or color or belief. I think, however, that the freewheeling unfettered capitalism which has always disguised the &quot;immigration&quot; question in the language of  american idealism has recently resorted to a more crude approach. People  who choose to come here are willing slaves, not indentured, nor is there even a slight attempt to hide the slavery by claiming opportunity. The language debases work as &quot;low level&quot;, &quot;unskilled&quot;, and the facetious claim that &quot;migrants take work that americans won&#039;t do&quot;.  Actually, in my field, migrants take work at lower pay than many in my field get, making them very useful for profit and stifling honest competition. And it&#039;s painfully obvious to me that their usefullness to profit is more important than the quality of their work which is never under scrutiny in this crude environment. It&#039;s not productive to villify the people who come here to live a dream, but I can&#039;t ignore the fact that that dream is pushing everyone, including the migrant who freely chooses to come here, into a downslide which is like an avalanche.  And I do fall prey to anger directed at individuals, particularly ones who fatten their coffers in their homelands where american money is worth more. It&#039;s the same crude capitalism at bottom which informs the whole process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have great respect for people who work hard and strive for excellence, no matter what race or ethnicity, or color or belief. I think, however, that the freewheeling unfettered capitalism which has always disguised the &#8220;immigration&#8221; question in the language of  american idealism has recently resorted to a more crude approach. People  who choose to come here are willing slaves, not indentured, nor is there even a slight attempt to hide the slavery by claiming opportunity. The language debases work as &#8220;low level&#8221;, &#8220;unskilled&#8221;, and the facetious claim that &#8220;migrants take work that americans won&#8217;t do&#8221;.  Actually, in my field, migrants take work at lower pay than many in my field get, making them very useful for profit and stifling honest competition. And it&#8217;s painfully obvious to me that their usefullness to profit is more important than the quality of their work which is never under scrutiny in this crude environment. It&#8217;s not productive to villify the people who come here to live a dream, but I can&#8217;t ignore the fact that that dream is pushing everyone, including the migrant who freely chooses to come here, into a downslide which is like an avalanche.  And I do fall prey to anger directed at individuals, particularly ones who fatten their coffers in their homelands where american money is worth more. It&#8217;s the same crude capitalism at bottom which informs the whole process.</p>
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		<title>By: erhtsdf</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8415</link>
		<dc:creator>erhtsdf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The freaking idiots are at it again, as usual, turning the entire problem into  Mexican bashing demagoguery.  Someone accused Mexican illegals of being &quot;thieves&quot;. What an idiot, and what a poor understanding of human actions &amp;  behavior. It means spite is the only thing you&#039;re able to relate to. Wonder why...
If you know how Mexicans can &quot;rebuild&quot; their country, why don&#039;t you tell them how to do it, rather than cowardly accusing them of thievery without even knowing a single one of them, in most likelihood? Even Lou Dobbs has said the Mexican workers he used to work with were very hard working, and that he had respect for them. Yet, that doesn&#039;t even register with these stubborn,  parroting &quot;nativists&quot;.  It&#039;s clear that their main objective  in this is to bash people.

Illegals are not taking advantage. Many of them are very  grateful for every chance they&#039;ve had, but you wouldn&#039;t  know since all you listen to is  propaganda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The freaking idiots are at it again, as usual, turning the entire problem into  Mexican bashing demagoguery.  Someone accused Mexican illegals of being &#8220;thieves&#8221;. What an idiot, and what a poor understanding of human actions &amp;  behavior. It means spite is the only thing you&#8217;re able to relate to. Wonder why&#8230;<br />
If you know how Mexicans can &#8220;rebuild&#8221; their country, why don&#8217;t you tell them how to do it, rather than cowardly accusing them of thievery without even knowing a single one of them, in most likelihood? Even Lou Dobbs has said the Mexican workers he used to work with were very hard working, and that he had respect for them. Yet, that doesn&#8217;t even register with these stubborn,  parroting &#8220;nativists&#8221;.  It&#8217;s clear that their main objective  in this is to bash people.</p>
<p>Illegals are not taking advantage. Many of them are very  grateful for every chance they&#8217;ve had, but you wouldn&#8217;t  know since all you listen to is  propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Dion</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8410</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Dion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comrade Wiesless as a sovereign nation we have a right and an obligation to protect our country.  I did so in Vietnam,  whether  you think that endeavor was a waste, I do not care.  I felt it was my duty to go when asked by our elected officials.  It was for country.  For two hundred years men have been doing the same thing (at least most men).  What has developed even with many mistakes is the best place to live in the world (as indicated by the numbers of people who want to come here).  

     It was a great experiment by some revolutionaries and has endured the test of time.  Now the new intellectuals want to change things that helped create what we are today.  We have been a secular government but with judeo- christian ideas and some reminders of such, school prayer, god on our coins,  god now in our pledge of allegiance and other areas that have not hindered our development.   They must think these are positives!

   Immigration over the years certainly has driven our train and will continue to do so but not without our participation.  We chose who is best for us.  Things have changed so has the type of immigrant that is  needed.  We had the opening of the west, industrial revolution, and great upheavals in other lands and took in the starving masses because we could.  This has changed.  I feel environmentally we are reaching a saturation point both agriculturally and energy wise.  Unlike many pro illegal immigration people I also do not believe we a have a job crisis, that could not be fixed by automation and a controllable temporary work program!

   Terrorism, crime and increased welfare recipients we do not need, we have our home grown  variety.  I am not a racist, nativist or xenophobe but believe in my heart we have nothing to gain to permit open borders or uncontrolled illegal alien invasion.  The illegals are taking advantage of the American  compassion and those that do not see it are looking for Eden...sorry but Adam bit the apple.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comrade Wiesless as a sovereign nation we have a right and an obligation to protect our country.  I did so in Vietnam,  whether  you think that endeavor was a waste, I do not care.  I felt it was my duty to go when asked by our elected officials.  It was for country.  For two hundred years men have been doing the same thing (at least most men).  What has developed even with many mistakes is the best place to live in the world (as indicated by the numbers of people who want to come here).  </p>
<p>     It was a great experiment by some revolutionaries and has endured the test of time.  Now the new intellectuals want to change things that helped create what we are today.  We have been a secular government but with judeo- christian ideas and some reminders of such, school prayer, god on our coins,  god now in our pledge of allegiance and other areas that have not hindered our development.   They must think these are positives!</p>
<p>   Immigration over the years certainly has driven our train and will continue to do so but not without our participation.  We chose who is best for us.  Things have changed so has the type of immigrant that is  needed.  We had the opening of the west, industrial revolution, and great upheavals in other lands and took in the starving masses because we could.  This has changed.  I feel environmentally we are reaching a saturation point both agriculturally and energy wise.  Unlike many pro illegal immigration people I also do not believe we a have a job crisis, that could not be fixed by automation and a controllable temporary work program!</p>
<p>   Terrorism, crime and increased welfare recipients we do not need, we have our home grown  variety.  I am not a racist, nativist or xenophobe but believe in my heart we have nothing to gain to permit open borders or uncontrolled illegal alien invasion.  The illegals are taking advantage of the American  compassion and those that do not see it are looking for Eden&#8230;sorry but Adam bit the apple.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Hall</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8406</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 06:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As the term &quot;illegal&quot; seems to often be mistakenly conflated with the term &quot;criminal&quot; it&#039;s worth considering the term &quot;undocumented [migrant, resident, worker]&quot; which better describes the reality of people&#039;s lives. An then, as suggested here, call for open borders. All conscious beings should have the right to move freely over the face of the Earth. 

Thank you for airing this topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the term &#8220;illegal&#8221; seems to often be mistakenly conflated with the term &#8220;criminal&#8221; it&#8217;s worth considering the term &#8220;undocumented [migrant, resident, worker]&#8221; which better describes the reality of people&#8217;s lives. An then, as suggested here, call for open borders. All conscious beings should have the right to move freely over the face of the Earth. </p>
<p>Thank you for airing this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: mikel weisser</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8405</link>
		<dc:creator>mikel weisser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 06:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you all for having such a powerful reaction to this column.  In response to Pancho&#039;s request, I have e-mailed the Dobbs Show the link to this article (SEE below). In response to Ed, I found your comments right where you left them.

mikel weisser

&quot;I recently wrote a column posted on Dissident Voice which is in small part critical of Mr. Dobbs&#039; stance on immigration and his treatment of New York governor Eliot Spitzer&#039;s initiative to license all drivers in the state of New York.  When i went back and checked for comments, someone said they wished Mr Dobbs could read the column. It seems like a good idea, so here&#039;s the link: http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/

Happy Reading,
mikel weisser&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you all for having such a powerful reaction to this column.  In response to Pancho&#8217;s request, I have e-mailed the Dobbs Show the link to this article (SEE below). In response to Ed, I found your comments right where you left them.</p>
<p>mikel weisser</p>
<p>&#8220;I recently wrote a column posted on Dissident Voice which is in small part critical of Mr. Dobbs&#8217; stance on immigration and his treatment of New York governor Eliot Spitzer&#8217;s initiative to license all drivers in the state of New York.  When i went back and checked for comments, someone said they wished Mr Dobbs could read the column. It seems like a good idea, so here&#8217;s the link: <a href="http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/</a></p>
<p>Happy Reading,<br />
mikel weisser&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8402</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My comments were removed even though they contained no foul language or other violations.  This comment section is being censored for favorable content.  If this message remains, I&#039;ll try and post my original comments again under the name Ed2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comments were removed even though they contained no foul language or other violations.  This comment section is being censored for favorable content.  If this message remains, I&#8217;ll try and post my original comments again under the name Ed2</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8400</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mexicans don&#039;t demand citizenship in poor countries south of Mexico because those countries have little to offer them.  They demand citizenship instead in the United States because it has much more to offer them.  They abandon Mexico, where they could work with fellow Mexicans to change Mexico for the better, so that they can come to the United States illegally and steal jobs and other things of value.

In other words, these people abandon a country that needs them so that they can go to another country that doesn&#039;t want them and steal a better life from it&#039;s citizens while demanding instant citizenship.  This is damaging both to their &#039;original citizen brothers&#039; and their &#039;newly-proclaimed citizen brothers&#039;.  Probably the biggest problem with demanding citizenship is that they have demonstrated absolutely no loyalty to either country and therefore have no idea what citizenship entails.  About the only characteristic that an observer might come away with about these peoples behavior is that they are willing to abandon their own and steal what they want.

There is a globally understood contempt for people that exhibit this type of  moral substance;  in English it might best be described as Cowardly Thieving Human Garbage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mexicans don&#8217;t demand citizenship in poor countries south of Mexico because those countries have little to offer them.  They demand citizenship instead in the United States because it has much more to offer them.  They abandon Mexico, where they could work with fellow Mexicans to change Mexico for the better, so that they can come to the United States illegally and steal jobs and other things of value.</p>
<p>In other words, these people abandon a country that needs them so that they can go to another country that doesn&#8217;t want them and steal a better life from it&#8217;s citizens while demanding instant citizenship.  This is damaging both to their &#8216;original citizen brothers&#8217; and their &#8216;newly-proclaimed citizen brothers&#8217;.  Probably the biggest problem with demanding citizenship is that they have demonstrated absolutely no loyalty to either country and therefore have no idea what citizenship entails.  About the only characteristic that an observer might come away with about these peoples behavior is that they are willing to abandon their own and steal what they want.</p>
<p>There is a globally understood contempt for people that exhibit this type of  moral substance;  in English it might best be described as Cowardly Thieving Human Garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: pancho</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8379</link>
		<dc:creator>pancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article!! I hope the average American citizen reads it. I crossed that border long time ago. I have been here almost all my live, and I haven&#039;t read/hear positive-realistic articles or comments about being illegal in this country.
I wish Mr. Dobbs  reads it and broadcast it on his hate show.

Thank you from the millions in the shadows

Pancho]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!! I hope the average American citizen reads it. I crossed that border long time ago. I have been here almost all my live, and I haven&#8217;t read/hear positive-realistic articles or comments about being illegal in this country.<br />
I wish Mr. Dobbs  reads it and broadcast it on his hate show.</p>
<p>Thank you from the millions in the shadows</p>
<p>Pancho</p>
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		<title>By: David M.</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8378</link>
		<dc:creator>David M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL, Immigration is Legal !! 

Illegal Immgration is illegal. 

Dude, saying opposition to illegal immigration is racist, is foolish at best, hateful at worst.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, Immigration is Legal !! </p>
<p>Illegal Immgration is illegal. </p>
<p>Dude, saying opposition to illegal immigration is racist, is foolish at best, hateful at worst.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8377</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Native American, I&#039;ve felt drawn in to the discussion because the history of my people have been exploited to prop up the dishonorable campaign waged by both political extremes who have historically sought to obliterate the rights and freedoms provided to citizens by the U.S. Constitution, and to abolish the United States as a symbol of what both political extremes find so inconvenient.

The late Doctor Martin Luther King not only railed against those of the extremist right wing, who waged a bloody campaign of divide and conquer, but also those of the extremist left wing, who waged their own bloody campaign of divide and conquer. The same extremist left who were behind the slaughter of untold millions of innocents around the world in their blind  lust for power. The Marxist dogmatics, for whom individual freedoms, the right to self determiniation have been a major barrier to their ability to vanquish the hopes and dreams of peoples throughout the world. 

When Doctor King wrote about his studies, he mentioned having read Marx and Engels, and while at first he felt drawn to what was put forward as ideals, it wasn&#039;t long before he saw what lie beneath the surface of the premise put forward. Slavery, feudalism, oppression, exploitation, nothing more. King said as much, and in no uncertain terms, that Marxism is slavery, because without individual freedoms, the right to self determination, there is NO FREEDOM.

He saw how the legacies of Marx and Engels had been actually worse than all the other political and social ideologies of the past combined, because it was the great deception incarnate. Lies, dogmatic deceptions intent to deceive the most powerless into sacrificing themselves into actions that would ultimately lead to putting themselves, their children and future generations into harness to serve a cold and despotic elite who were parasites.

All the claims of social justice should be evaluated, because Marxists have redefined for themselves what is socially just. That they be the ones allowed to think and decide for us all. There are no human or civil rights under those coldblooded regimes, because to them we are little more than cattle who need to be put in service to the state.

We&#039;ve seen their sort in action, in the Soviet Union, in China and in other parts of Asia, in Nazi Germany, in Italy,Spain,  in Mexico, Central and South America. If one wants to understand why there exists such corruption in Latin America, despite the wealth, consider the fact that those nations have allowed themselves to be at the mercy of both the extremist right and extremist left wings.

The United States of America has had two political parties, but both were more moderate, up until the far right and the far left were able to get a toe hold and gradually infect the two. All is not lost, but unless intelligent, thoughtful and truly humane people stop allowing themselves to be duped into the lies and deceit of the political extremes, we won&#039;t survive.

At present, extremist zealots like Mike Weiser are striving to convince you that it is unjust and inhumane to enforce our border protections, and immigration laws. Of course, extremist right winger George Bush, and his cronies in the corporatist U.S. Chamber of Commerce advocate for the same thing, it&#039;s not just a co-incidence. Both extremes, the right and the left want the U.S. undermined. Thrown into the same instability as Latin America, where the people and their rights are little more than something to exploit for advantage and profit. In short, where there are no rights. 

The extremist left and right are allied for convenience. Both wish to win, but ultimately have agreed that they need to destroy the U.S. to have an opportunity to do so. Both are working together as parasites to kill the host, so both can do what they&#039;ve done in Latin America and elsewhere. Both extremes view us all as potential slaves.

Consider how both have abused and exploited power and jostling for power south of the border, and you will see how little respect and concern for the lives of the peoples of those countries. Do not be deceived. They know that the only way they can put the noose around your neck is if you help them to do this. Whether you are a student activist or the poorest of the poor, they will stroke your egos, inflame your anger, manipulate and marginalize you from your shared humanity to make you willing to hate enough to not think about what they are advocating. They will throw you away as easily as you are only a pawn they need to use.

Think, long and hard. Research the facts, do not be afraid to ask questions, they find that inconvenient and will at first attempt to dismiss your questions. If you still do not bend to their will, they will abuse and attack you. If still you do not bend to their will, sell out your intrinsic humanity, they will demean you to others. But hold fast, because others will ultimately take heart at your courage and question as well.

This will most likely not remain posted here as he, like his fellow dogmatics are afraid of the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Native American, I&#8217;ve felt drawn in to the discussion because the history of my people have been exploited to prop up the dishonorable campaign waged by both political extremes who have historically sought to obliterate the rights and freedoms provided to citizens by the U.S. Constitution, and to abolish the United States as a symbol of what both political extremes find so inconvenient.</p>
<p>The late Doctor Martin Luther King not only railed against those of the extremist right wing, who waged a bloody campaign of divide and conquer, but also those of the extremist left wing, who waged their own bloody campaign of divide and conquer. The same extremist left who were behind the slaughter of untold millions of innocents around the world in their blind  lust for power. The Marxist dogmatics, for whom individual freedoms, the right to self determiniation have been a major barrier to their ability to vanquish the hopes and dreams of peoples throughout the world. </p>
<p>When Doctor King wrote about his studies, he mentioned having read Marx and Engels, and while at first he felt drawn to what was put forward as ideals, it wasn&#8217;t long before he saw what lie beneath the surface of the premise put forward. Slavery, feudalism, oppression, exploitation, nothing more. King said as much, and in no uncertain terms, that Marxism is slavery, because without individual freedoms, the right to self determination, there is NO FREEDOM.</p>
<p>He saw how the legacies of Marx and Engels had been actually worse than all the other political and social ideologies of the past combined, because it was the great deception incarnate. Lies, dogmatic deceptions intent to deceive the most powerless into sacrificing themselves into actions that would ultimately lead to putting themselves, their children and future generations into harness to serve a cold and despotic elite who were parasites.</p>
<p>All the claims of social justice should be evaluated, because Marxists have redefined for themselves what is socially just. That they be the ones allowed to think and decide for us all. There are no human or civil rights under those coldblooded regimes, because to them we are little more than cattle who need to be put in service to the state.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seen their sort in action, in the Soviet Union, in China and in other parts of Asia, in Nazi Germany, in Italy,Spain,  in Mexico, Central and South America. If one wants to understand why there exists such corruption in Latin America, despite the wealth, consider the fact that those nations have allowed themselves to be at the mercy of both the extremist right and extremist left wings.</p>
<p>The United States of America has had two political parties, but both were more moderate, up until the far right and the far left were able to get a toe hold and gradually infect the two. All is not lost, but unless intelligent, thoughtful and truly humane people stop allowing themselves to be duped into the lies and deceit of the political extremes, we won&#8217;t survive.</p>
<p>At present, extremist zealots like Mike Weiser are striving to convince you that it is unjust and inhumane to enforce our border protections, and immigration laws. Of course, extremist right winger George Bush, and his cronies in the corporatist U.S. Chamber of Commerce advocate for the same thing, it&#8217;s not just a co-incidence. Both extremes, the right and the left want the U.S. undermined. Thrown into the same instability as Latin America, where the people and their rights are little more than something to exploit for advantage and profit. In short, where there are no rights. </p>
<p>The extremist left and right are allied for convenience. Both wish to win, but ultimately have agreed that they need to destroy the U.S. to have an opportunity to do so. Both are working together as parasites to kill the host, so both can do what they&#8217;ve done in Latin America and elsewhere. Both extremes view us all as potential slaves.</p>
<p>Consider how both have abused and exploited power and jostling for power south of the border, and you will see how little respect and concern for the lives of the peoples of those countries. Do not be deceived. They know that the only way they can put the noose around your neck is if you help them to do this. Whether you are a student activist or the poorest of the poor, they will stroke your egos, inflame your anger, manipulate and marginalize you from your shared humanity to make you willing to hate enough to not think about what they are advocating. They will throw you away as easily as you are only a pawn they need to use.</p>
<p>Think, long and hard. Research the facts, do not be afraid to ask questions, they find that inconvenient and will at first attempt to dismiss your questions. If you still do not bend to their will, they will abuse and attack you. If still you do not bend to their will, sell out your intrinsic humanity, they will demean you to others. But hold fast, because others will ultimately take heart at your courage and question as well.</p>
<p>This will most likely not remain posted here as he, like his fellow dogmatics are afraid of the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Maldonado</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8375</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Maldonado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My friend,

Thank you.

-Daniel]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend,</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>-Daniel</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo  the American</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8367</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo  the American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Make Immigration Legal&quot;

I chuckled when I first read the title of your article.  Immigration IS legal.  The US accepteed more than 2 million LEGAL immigrants last year.  This is more legal immigration than every other country in the world COMBINED.  The American people are very accepting to the people who come here the right way.  It may not be easy, but it&#039;s worth it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Make Immigration Legal&#8221;</p>
<p>I chuckled when I first read the title of your article.  Immigration IS legal.  The US accepteed more than 2 million LEGAL immigrants last year.  This is more legal immigration than every other country in the world COMBINED.  The American people are very accepting to the people who come here the right way.  It may not be easy, but it&#8217;s worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Funny Truth</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/make-immigration-legal/#comment-8365</link>
		<dc:creator>Funny Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mikael, You may say its a comedy, but to Millions its LIFE.
Every Human was created equal by ALMIGHTY GOD,  AND SHOULD BE TREATED WITH DIGNITY.
 If we as a nation lose our self dignity and  get self satisfaction by blaming others for our own failures, were doomed to lose.

HERE IS SOMETHING THAT CNN WONT SHOW :)

Tamar Jacoby of the New York-based Manhattan Institute has advised an Austin-based business group, Texas Employers for Immigration Reform, that lobbied Congress this year for tougher borders and a temporary guest-worker plan. The bill failed.

(Call it even. Last year, Congress defeated a bill to make illegal immigration a crime.)

Congress&#039; failure &quot;has shifted the battleground,&quot; Jacoby said by phone. &quot;In the states, it&#039;s becoming much more polarized. Without a bill in Congress and the give-and-take of negotiations, there&#039;s no center of gravity to pull people toward the center. There are only the various sides pulling people apart.&quot;

State and local officials feel obliged to &quot;do something and appear to be in control,&quot; she said. Meanwhile, &quot;you see people gloating over deportations, and immigrants getting angrier.&quot;

The Oklahoma law is &quot;like cutting off your nose to spite your face,&quot; she said.

&quot;Choking the economy and driving workers out -- I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a very effective way to improve your state. Calling your opponents &#039;racist&#039; doesn&#039;t achieve a solution, either.&quot;

In Arkansas, businesses have announced a new Arkansas Friendship Coalition to promote &quot;dignity&quot; for all humankind, call for congressional action and defend illegal immigrants&#039; $3 billion role in the state&#039;s economy, as detailed in a report by the Washington-based Urban Institute.

&quot;We don&#039;t want to lose the economic benefits or cultural benefits these people bring to Arkansas,&quot; said the Rev. Steve Copley, a Methodist minister from North Little Rock.

&quot;If we lose them, then Arkansas loses money. If you use state and local police time and jail time, that&#039;s even more money lost. We need Congress to reform the system. We don&#039;t need a patchwork of local laws.&quot;

Everybody wants a tighter border. But the last time Texas&#039; comptroller figured up the balance sheet on spending and tax revenues from illegal immigration, our state came out ahead by $17.7 billion.

If only we could stop divisive politics at the Red River.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikael, You may say its a comedy, but to Millions its LIFE.<br />
Every Human was created equal by ALMIGHTY GOD,  AND SHOULD BE TREATED WITH DIGNITY.<br />
 If we as a nation lose our self dignity and  get self satisfaction by blaming others for our own failures, were doomed to lose.</p>
<p>HERE IS SOMETHING THAT CNN WONT SHOW :)</p>
<p>Tamar Jacoby of the New York-based Manhattan Institute has advised an Austin-based business group, Texas Employers for Immigration Reform, that lobbied Congress this year for tougher borders and a temporary guest-worker plan. The bill failed.</p>
<p>(Call it even. Last year, Congress defeated a bill to make illegal immigration a crime.)</p>
<p>Congress&#8217; failure &#8220;has shifted the battleground,&#8221; Jacoby said by phone. &#8220;In the states, it&#8217;s becoming much more polarized. Without a bill in Congress and the give-and-take of negotiations, there&#8217;s no center of gravity to pull people toward the center. There are only the various sides pulling people apart.&#8221;</p>
<p>State and local officials feel obliged to &#8220;do something and appear to be in control,&#8221; she said. Meanwhile, &#8220;you see people gloating over deportations, and immigrants getting angrier.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Oklahoma law is &#8220;like cutting off your nose to spite your face,&#8221; she said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Choking the economy and driving workers out &#8212; I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a very effective way to improve your state. Calling your opponents &#8216;racist&#8217; doesn&#8217;t achieve a solution, either.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Arkansas, businesses have announced a new Arkansas Friendship Coalition to promote &#8220;dignity&#8221; for all humankind, call for congressional action and defend illegal immigrants&#8217; $3 billion role in the state&#8217;s economy, as detailed in a report by the Washington-based Urban Institute.</p>
<p>&#8220;We don&#8217;t want to lose the economic benefits or cultural benefits these people bring to Arkansas,&#8221; said the Rev. Steve Copley, a Methodist minister from North Little Rock.</p>
<p>&#8220;If we lose them, then Arkansas loses money. If you use state and local police time and jail time, that&#8217;s even more money lost. We need Congress to reform the system. We don&#8217;t need a patchwork of local laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>Everybody wants a tighter border. But the last time Texas&#8217; comptroller figured up the balance sheet on spending and tax revenues from illegal immigration, our state came out ahead by $17.7 billion.</p>
<p>If only we could stop divisive politics at the Red River.</p>
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