Comments on: Lincoln Was Wrong: The Ease of Fooling Most of the People Most of the Time http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:51:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: D. Ed Kendrick http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-10029 D. Ed Kendrick Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:19:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-10029 A fourth group who had motive for assassination of Kennedy are the bankers. Months before his assassination, Kennedy authorized printing of "UNITED STATES NOTEs" (1963 series) in $5 and $2 denominations. They had red ink seals. This currency was put into circulation without any "discount fee"--sidestepping the concession granted to wealthy bankers in collecting their "Federal discount rate" on the introduction of new currency (debt). Is it a coincidence that Abraham Lincoln--also just before his assassination--introduced Greenbacks outside the concessions held by wealthy bankers? The Federal Reserve is no more Federal than Federal Express. Ron Paul has some ideas about We, the People taking back control of production of our own currency. E. Howard Hunt's reported deathbed confessions to having been the team leader for CIA operatives in Dealey Plaza that fateful day should be sufficient reason for reopening investigations. E. Howard Hunt said the codename for JFK's assassination was "The Big Event". A fourth group who had motive for assassination of Kennedy are the bankers. Months before his assassination, Kennedy authorized printing of “UNITED STATES NOTEs” (1963 series) in $5 and $2 denominations. They had red ink seals. This currency was put into circulation without any “discount fee”–sidestepping the concession granted to wealthy bankers in collecting their “Federal discount rate” on the introduction of new currency (debt). Is it a coincidence that Abraham Lincoln–also just before his assassination–introduced Greenbacks outside the concessions held by wealthy bankers? The Federal Reserve is no more Federal than Federal Express. Ron Paul has some ideas about We, the People taking back control of production of our own currency.

E. Howard Hunt’s reported deathbed confessions to having been the team leader for CIA operatives in Dealey Plaza that fateful day should be sufficient reason for reopening investigations. E. Howard Hunt said the codename for JFK’s assassination was “The Big Event”.

]]> By: JB http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9870 JB Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:56:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9870 P.S. I know of no evidence that the assassins were murdered within a week; the main man, Roscoe "Rock" White, [Badgeman] who actually hit JFK in the head, was richly rewarded and protected by LBJ & Co. for 8 years, at which time he endangered everyone by letting his wife talk too much about it....he then died in a worksite explosion that was very suspicious....and while economic issues may have been on the conspirator's list of grievances, the urgent crisis that demanded JFK's murder was Operation Amworld, ready and due to be launched just nine days after Dallas. P.S. I know of no evidence that the assassins were murdered within a week; the main man, Roscoe “Rock” White, [Badgeman] who actually hit JFK in the head, was richly rewarded and protected by LBJ & Co. for 8 years, at which time he endangered everyone by letting his wife talk too much about it….he then died in a worksite explosion that was very suspicious….and while economic issues may have been on the conspirator’s list of grievances, the urgent crisis that demanded JFK’s murder was Operation Amworld, ready and due to be launched just nine days after Dallas.

]]> By: heike http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9790 heike Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:13:20 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9790 I'll only deal with one of the more ridiculous statements here -- the last one. Kennedy won by 112,000 votes over Nixon, and not the other way around. Your conspiracy theories are getting stale by now. I’ll only deal with one of the more ridiculous statements here — the last one. Kennedy won by 112,000 votes over Nixon, and not the other way around. Your conspiracy theories are getting stale by now.

]]> By: Fred Marshall http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9606 Fred Marshall Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:20:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9606 There is plenty of evidence. The "puppeteers" (the moneyed powers who own the Federal Reserve) put John F. Kennedy in office, though Nixon garnered more votes. They underestimated JFK, however, as he set out to retrieve control of the money supply and return it to the United States Congress, where it Constitutionally belongs. He put $4,292,893,815 in United States Notes into circulation and withdrew from circulation the same amount in Federal Reserve Notes. Thirst for Justice - United States Note - JFK Creates Constitutional Money http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/kennedy.html JFK intended to put the Federal Reserve out of business, so they killed him (who pulled the triggers is not important, as all the members of the shooting teams were themselves dead within a week), as international central bankers' fathers had killed the three preceding presidents....Abraham Lincoln, William McKinley, and James A. Garfield....who also opposed them and their money control schemes. RFK was sure to win in 1968, and he could have been expected to resume his brother's plan, so they killed him too. The international bankers....the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Warburgs, the J.P. Morgans, the Lazard Brothers, Abraham Kuhn, Solomon Loeb, Lehman Brothers and others....routinely either pit their man against a weak opponent no one expects to win (James Cox, Al Smith, Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, Mike Dukakis, Walter Mondale) or they insert a spoiler (Robert M. La Follette, Sr., Strom Thurmond, Ross Perot) to siphon votes away from strong opponents . But they do not intend to lose control of the money or the government, and have repeatedly demonstrated their willingness to destroy anyone who dares get in their way, by whatever means necessary....including murder and terrorism. JFK assassination - Deaths of witnesses http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/deaths.html There is plenty of evidence.

The “puppeteers” (the moneyed powers who own the Federal Reserve) put John F. Kennedy in office, though Nixon garnered more votes. They underestimated JFK, however, as he set out to retrieve control of the money supply and return it to the United States Congress, where it Constitutionally belongs. He put $4,292,893,815 in United States Notes into circulation and withdrew from circulation the same amount in Federal Reserve Notes.

Thirst for Justice – United States Note – JFK Creates Constitutional Money
http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/kennedy.html

JFK intended to put the Federal Reserve out of business, so they killed him (who pulled the triggers is not important, as all the members of the shooting teams were themselves dead within a week), as international central bankers’ fathers had killed the three preceding presidents….Abraham Lincoln, William McKinley, and James A. Garfield….who also opposed them and their money control schemes. RFK was sure to win in 1968, and he could have been expected to resume his brother’s plan, so they killed him too.

The international bankers….the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Warburgs, the J.P. Morgans, the Lazard Brothers, Abraham Kuhn, Solomon Loeb, Lehman Brothers and others….routinely either pit their man against a weak opponent no one expects to win (James Cox, Al Smith, Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, Mike Dukakis, Walter Mondale) or they insert a spoiler (Robert M. La Follette, Sr., Strom Thurmond, Ross Perot) to siphon votes away from strong opponents . But they do not intend to lose control of the money or the government, and have repeatedly demonstrated their willingness to destroy anyone who dares get in their way, by whatever means necessary….including murder and terrorism.

JFK assassination – Deaths of witnesses
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/JFK/deaths.html

]]> By: kikz http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9571 kikz Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:04:02 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9571 anyone, who's ever been in dealy plaza, knows beyond a shadow of a doubt.... it was a "turkey shoot". anyone, who’s ever been in dealy plaza, knows beyond a shadow of a doubt…. it was a “turkey shoot”.

]]> By: JB http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9566 JB Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:09:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9566 The assassination hit me at age 18 and has been a constant mental addiction in the background of my life. Like most of us, I naively believed the federal government's side of the story, never thinking that they would simply LIE about something so important. But as the years went on, many facts turned up that exposed the government not just as a liar, but as the source of the violence that killed both of the Kennedys. [If only we had an internet then; the facts would have arrived ten times faster!] Recent books have cast the JFK assassination in a whole new light, and completely changed all prior theories of who and why...did you know, for example that Lyndon Johnson has been accused of ordering at least 8 murders, including that of JFK? [Google Barr McClellan on this]... and that JFK was secretly planning in the summer of '63 to push LBJ off the ticket due to his impending indictment for the Bobby Baker and Billy Sol Estes crimes? That JFK had planned on Dec. 1, 1963, to launch another invasion of Cuba [Google "Operation Amworld"], thus breaking a solemn promise made to Nikita Kruschev, and thus risking a nuclear war again? That a high government cabal consisting of LBJ, J. Edgar Hoover, and Allen Dulles had plotted no less than THREE serious attempts on JFK's life in November 1963, the second of which was aborted in Tampa on Nov. 18? And that in each of them, the pattern was the same: designate a scapegoat to frame; lure him into the planned killing site; get him arrested, and silenced before he could have a fair trial....that there were at least 3 assassin's nests in Dallas, to MAKE SURE that JFK didn't leave Dallas alive? The bottom line is that just 9 days before the 2nd invasion of Cuba was to begin, the only man who could order it was dead...LBJ was catapulted upward into a position from which he could not be indicted....and the death warrant for millions of Vietnamese was signed, not to mention 58, 000 American soldiers. The assassination hit me at age 18 and has been a constant mental addiction in the background of my life. Like most of us, I naively believed the federal government’s side of the story, never thinking that they would simply LIE about something so important. But as the years went on, many facts turned up that exposed the government not just as a liar, but as the source of the violence that killed both of the Kennedys. [If only we had an internet then; the facts would have arrived ten times faster!] Recent books have cast the JFK assassination in a whole new light, and completely changed all prior theories of who and why…did you know, for example that Lyndon Johnson has been accused of ordering at least 8 murders, including that of JFK? [Google Barr McClellan on this]… and that JFK was secretly planning in the summer of ‘63 to push LBJ off the ticket due to his impending indictment for the Bobby Baker and Billy Sol Estes crimes? That JFK had planned on Dec. 1, 1963, to launch another invasion of Cuba [Google "Operation Amworld"], thus breaking a solemn promise made to Nikita Kruschev, and thus risking a nuclear war again? That a high government cabal consisting of LBJ, J. Edgar Hoover, and Allen Dulles had plotted no less than THREE serious attempts on JFK’s life in November 1963, the second of which was aborted in Tampa on Nov. 18?
And that in each of them, the pattern was the same: designate a scapegoat to frame; lure him into the planned killing site; get him arrested, and silenced before he could have a fair trial….that there were at least 3 assassin’s nests in Dallas, to MAKE SURE that JFK didn’t leave Dallas alive? The bottom line is that just 9 days before the 2nd invasion of Cuba was to begin, the only man who could order it was dead…LBJ was catapulted upward into a position from which he could not be indicted….and the death warrant for millions of Vietnamese was signed, not to mention 58, 000 American soldiers.

]]> By: AJ Nasreddin http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9560 AJ Nasreddin Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:01:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9560 "Motives for hiding any knowledge of events are unknown..." Could it be that some of the people involved are still alive and would therefor be subject to some kind of legal action? All big mysteries will be saved for future historians a 100 years from now. Wasn't it true Bush Sr. was at the autopsy? What was a CIA guy doing there? “Motives for hiding any knowledge of events are unknown…”

Could it be that some of the people involved are still alive and would therefor be subject to some kind of legal action? All big mysteries will be saved for future historians a 100 years from now.

Wasn’t it true Bush Sr. was at the autopsy? What was a CIA guy doing there?

]]> By: Roy Niles http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9524 Roy Niles Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:54:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9524 "Assassinations at this level in a large advanced society are always the result of conspiracies and complex plans, the plans providing for the certainty of success and the safe distancing of conspirators." Speaking as a professional investigator, I'm confident that the only thing true about that statement is that those plans and planners are always out there. But every so often some single nut-case does their job for them. The mistake that will almost always be made is to assume that this person was necessarily part of one of those plans. More persons than those that investigate will then act on such an assumption for their own reasons. These other actors then join the assumptive body of original planners until it can be shown otherwise. Which often amounts to a series of fruitless efforts to prove the correctness of what were initially incorrect assumptions. Add to this the more or less correct assumption that all investigations will be bungled in some fashion, and we come to where we are today. And anyone who seriously believes that all such assassinations involve complex plans that have come to fruition will most certainly be wrong about some of them. Unless they define "plan" in a much broader fashion than will be found useful by anyone who attempts to unravel one. “Assassinations at this level in a large advanced society are always the result of conspiracies and complex plans, the plans providing for the certainty of success and the safe distancing of conspirators.”

Speaking as a professional investigator, I’m confident that the only thing true about that statement is that those plans and planners are always out there. But every so often some single nut-case does their job for them. The mistake that will almost always be made is to assume that this person was necessarily part of one of those plans. More persons than those that investigate will then act on such an assumption for their own reasons.

These other actors then join the assumptive body of original planners until it can be shown otherwise. Which often amounts to a series of fruitless efforts to prove the correctness of what were initially incorrect assumptions.

Add to this the more or less correct assumption that all investigations will be bungled in some fashion, and we come to where we are today.

And anyone who seriously believes that all such assassinations involve complex plans that have come to fruition will most certainly be wrong about some of them. Unless they define “plan” in a much broader fashion than will be found useful by anyone who attempts to unravel one.

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9514 Hue Longer Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:44:52 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9514 I love your work, Mr. Chuckman...keep 'em coming I love your work, Mr. Chuckman…keep ‘em coming

]]> By: Michael Dawson http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9510 Michael Dawson Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:51:39 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9510 Horse feathers. We do indeed know what happened on 11/23/63: A massively over-rated president was assassinated, almost certainly by Cuban gangster-capitalists. The impact on history? Nil. And nobody shot down any 911 planes. Silly stuff. P.S. How come all of JFK's good policies somehow exist only at the level of "personal communications?" Answer: They never existed. It's apocryphal fairy-tales. Serious research confirms that, under JFK, "a chilly U.S.-Israeli relationship was transformed during the Kennedy presidency into today's full-blown alliance." Horse feathers. We do indeed know what happened on 11/23/63: A massively over-rated president was assassinated, almost certainly by Cuban gangster-capitalists. The impact on history? Nil.

And nobody shot down any 911 planes.

Silly stuff.

P.S. How come all of JFK’s good policies somehow exist only at the level of “personal communications?” Answer: They never existed. It’s apocryphal fairy-tales. Serious research confirms that, under JFK, “a chilly U.S.-Israeli relationship was transformed during the Kennedy presidency into today’s full-blown alliance.”

]]> By: Shiri http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9484 Shiri Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:49:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9484 A very informative and thought-provoking article. A very informative and thought-provoking article.

]]> By: Ron Horn http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9458 Ron Horn Thu, 22 Nov 2007 19:59:16 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/lincoln-was-wrong-the-ease-of-fooling-most-of-the-people-most-of-the-time/#comment-9458 Terrific article! I continue to be so amazed by the success of our power addicted, mafia-like ruling class to pull the wool over the eyes of my fellow Americans who continue their participation in this farce of a meaningful and free democratic society. Terrific article! I continue to be so amazed by the success of our power addicted, mafia-like ruling class to pull the wool over the eyes of my fellow Americans who continue their participation in this farce of a meaningful and free democratic society.

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