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		<title>By: John Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/behind-the-facade-of-incompetence/#comment-8591</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Madison,

I have a few questions for you:

1.  How do you know what motivates me?

2.  How do you know what is my purpose?

3.  Where  did I say that my vision of capitalism was &quot;the meaty goal of nirvana&quot;?

4.  What is your source for the 7 million innocents murdered in the name of freedom?

5.  How do you conclude that I am blinded by greed and profit from capitalism&#039;s slaves? Do you know what I do for a living?

6.  Who are my &quot;handlers&quot;?

7.  Who exactly are my distortion mongers?

8.  Is James Madison your real name?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Madison,</p>
<p>I have a few questions for you:</p>
<p>1.  How do you know what motivates me?</p>
<p>2.  How do you know what is my purpose?</p>
<p>3.  Where  did I say that my vision of capitalism was &#8220;the meaty goal of nirvana&#8221;?</p>
<p>4.  What is your source for the 7 million innocents murdered in the name of freedom?</p>
<p>5.  How do you conclude that I am blinded by greed and profit from capitalism&#8217;s slaves? Do you know what I do for a living?</p>
<p>6.  Who are my &#8220;handlers&#8221;?</p>
<p>7.  Who exactly are my distortion mongers?</p>
<p>8.  Is James Madison your real name?</p>
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		<title>By: JAMES MADISON</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/behind-the-facade-of-incompetence/#comment-8538</link>
		<dc:creator>JAMES MADISON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Greenwood has his motives ,and they are not to bring truth, but to distort reason for other purposes. His bankrupt vision of capitalism,the meaty goal of his nirvana that has murdered over 7 million innocents in the name of his &quot;freedom&quot; is tailored to his blind greed and profiteering from the labor of capitalism&#039;s slaves. Matter&#039;s not who financed the &quot;Bolsheviks&quot; or who bankrolled WWII&#039;s Nazis and why those friends of Greenwoods are still in power and not swinging by ropes,nay, his blindness or purposeful ignorance,if you will,is a symptom of the executioneers denial syndrome. An idiot can see that neither N.Korea nor DDR were ever &quot;socialist&quot; only by the blathering of the Greenwoods of the world could socialism be attached to those ruthless exploiting dictatorships that have enslaved their populations much like the AmerikanWay of Greenwood these role models for BushCrime and Cheney have nothing to do with the ways  and means of their goals,so Greenie go back to your handlers and wait for the people to come eventually and bring your distortion mongers to justice in the same manner as Hussein met his.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Greenwood has his motives ,and they are not to bring truth, but to distort reason for other purposes. His bankrupt vision of capitalism,the meaty goal of his nirvana that has murdered over 7 million innocents in the name of his &#8220;freedom&#8221; is tailored to his blind greed and profiteering from the labor of capitalism&#8217;s slaves. Matter&#8217;s not who financed the &#8220;Bolsheviks&#8221; or who bankrolled WWII&#8217;s Nazis and why those friends of Greenwoods are still in power and not swinging by ropes,nay, his blindness or purposeful ignorance,if you will,is a symptom of the executioneers denial syndrome. An idiot can see that neither N.Korea nor DDR were ever &#8220;socialist&#8221; only by the blathering of the Greenwoods of the world could socialism be attached to those ruthless exploiting dictatorships that have enslaved their populations much like the AmerikanWay of Greenwood these role models for BushCrime and Cheney have nothing to do with the ways  and means of their goals,so Greenie go back to your handlers and wait for the people to come eventually and bring your distortion mongers to justice in the same manner as Hussein met his.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/behind-the-facade-of-incompetence/#comment-8516</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Lapon,  
You state &quot;I would argue that North Korea and the old East Germany are forms of state capitalism, not socialism&quot;.  How Orwellian or perhaps more like something out of the mouth of a character from Alice in Wonderland.  Ha, ha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Lapon,<br />
You state &#8220;I would argue that North Korea and the old East Germany are forms of state capitalism, not socialism&#8221;.  How Orwellian or perhaps more like something out of the mouth of a character from Alice in Wonderland.  Ha, ha.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Lapon</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/behind-the-facade-of-incompetence/#comment-8475</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Lapon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John,

It&#039;s misleading to frame the choice of system of production as between capitalism on the one hand and &quot;socialism&quot; (I would argue that North Korea and the old East Germany are forms of state capitalism, not socialism, but thats another story) from above on the other.  There is a third way, socialism from below (the dictatorship of the proletariat, the working class organized as the ruling class, etc.), which your false dichotomy completely ignores.  Maybe this is what Sullivan advocates by his call for us to &quot;organize,&quot; or maybe it isn&#039;t...it&#039;s unclear what he&#039;s calling for, but I doubt from the tone of his article that he&#039;s advocating a Stalinist dictatorship.

Anyways, let&#039;s look where people are trying to escape and where they&#039;re trying to go.  Capitalism has settled pretty much everywhere by this point.  Most migration is between capitalism countries.  However, there is a concentration of capital in places like Western Europe, the United States, and Japan (the &quot;Triad&quot;), as a result of the transfer of wealth from the rest of the world.  Capitalists from the Triad nations loot the rest of the world (as well as workers within the Triad nations) and benefit from the vicious exploitation of workers and the environment.  So people from other countries go to Triad nations in an attempt to acquire a portion of the wealth that&#039;s been stolen from their homeland.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s misleading to frame the choice of system of production as between capitalism on the one hand and &#8220;socialism&#8221; (I would argue that North Korea and the old East Germany are forms of state capitalism, not socialism, but thats another story) from above on the other.  There is a third way, socialism from below (the dictatorship of the proletariat, the working class organized as the ruling class, etc.), which your false dichotomy completely ignores.  Maybe this is what Sullivan advocates by his call for us to &#8220;organize,&#8221; or maybe it isn&#8217;t&#8230;it&#8217;s unclear what he&#8217;s calling for, but I doubt from the tone of his article that he&#8217;s advocating a Stalinist dictatorship.</p>
<p>Anyways, let&#8217;s look where people are trying to escape and where they&#8217;re trying to go.  Capitalism has settled pretty much everywhere by this point.  Most migration is between capitalism countries.  However, there is a concentration of capital in places like Western Europe, the United States, and Japan (the &#8220;Triad&#8221;), as a result of the transfer of wealth from the rest of the world.  Capitalists from the Triad nations loot the rest of the world (as well as workers within the Triad nations) and benefit from the vicious exploitation of workers and the environment.  So people from other countries go to Triad nations in an attempt to acquire a portion of the wealth that&#8217;s been stolen from their homeland.</p>
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		<title>By: John Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/behind-the-facade-of-incompetence/#comment-8427</link>
		<dc:creator>John Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One really has to be a credulous simpleton to buy this vicious nonsense.  There are plenty of examples where capitalism has obviously benefited people more than socialism.  For instance, look at the difference between North and South Korea or the old East and West Germany.  Look at what happened in Zimbawe where a country that exported food is now starving it’s people in the name of land reform and social justice.  Also, to where do people tend to immigrate?  From where do people risk there lives to escape? The answers are obvious to anyone who doesn’t have a brain the size and texture of a marble.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One really has to be a credulous simpleton to buy this vicious nonsense.  There are plenty of examples where capitalism has obviously benefited people more than socialism.  For instance, look at the difference between North and South Korea or the old East and West Germany.  Look at what happened in Zimbawe where a country that exported food is now starving it’s people in the name of land reform and social justice.  Also, to where do people tend to immigrate?  From where do people risk there lives to escape? The answers are obvious to anyone who doesn’t have a brain the size and texture of a marble.</p>
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		<title>By: kikz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/behind-the-facade-of-incompetence/#comment-8418</link>
		<dc:creator>kikz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to discern truth, one must be able to think rationally.  

the MSM is symptom, not cause.

ij ,  you need to read.
free online/in entirety
j.t. gatto&#039;s
underground history of american education
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm

does more than an ample job of explaining the true scope/goal of the systemically designed class war/assault on reason America has currently engaged in for a very long time.

snip from chap 8: Plato’s Guardians
… As long as such a pump existed to spew limitless numbers of independent, self-reliant, resourceful, and ambitious minds onto the scene, who could predict what risk to capital might strike next? To minds capable of thinking cosmically like Carnegie’s, Rockefeller’s, Rothschild’s, Morgan’s, or Cecil Rhodes’, real scientific control of overproduction must rest ultimately on the power to constrain the production of intellect. Here was a task worthy of immortals. Coal provided capital to finance it.

Through the dependence of the all on the few, an instrument of management and of elite association would be created far beyond anything ever seen in the past. This powerful promise was, however, fragilely balanced atop the need to homogenize the population and all its descendant generations.1 A mass production economy can neither be created nor sustained without a leveled population, one conditioned to mass habits, mass tastes, mass enthusiasms, predictable mass behaviors. The will of both maker and purchaser had to give way to the predestinated output of machinery with a one-track mind.

Nothing posed a more formidable obstacle than the American family. Traditionally, a self-sufficient production unit for which the marketplace played only an incidental role, the American family grew and produced its own food, cooked and served it; made its own soap and clothing. And provided its own transportation, entertainment, health care, and old age assistance. It entered freely into cooperative associations with neighbors, not with corporations. If that way of life had continued successfully—as it has for the modern Amish—it would have spelled curtains for corporate society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to discern truth, one must be able to think rationally.  </p>
<p>the MSM is symptom, not cause.</p>
<p>ij ,  you need to read.<br />
free online/in entirety<br />
j.t. gatto&#8217;s<br />
underground history of american education<br />
<a href="http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm</a></p>
<p>does more than an ample job of explaining the true scope/goal of the systemically designed class war/assault on reason America has currently engaged in for a very long time.</p>
<p>snip from chap 8: Plato’s Guardians<br />
… As long as such a pump existed to spew limitless numbers of independent, self-reliant, resourceful, and ambitious minds onto the scene, who could predict what risk to capital might strike next? To minds capable of thinking cosmically like Carnegie’s, Rockefeller’s, Rothschild’s, Morgan’s, or Cecil Rhodes’, real scientific control of overproduction must rest ultimately on the power to constrain the production of intellect. Here was a task worthy of immortals. Coal provided capital to finance it.</p>
<p>Through the dependence of the all on the few, an instrument of management and of elite association would be created far beyond anything ever seen in the past. This powerful promise was, however, fragilely balanced atop the need to homogenize the population and all its descendant generations.1 A mass production economy can neither be created nor sustained without a leveled population, one conditioned to mass habits, mass tastes, mass enthusiasms, predictable mass behaviors. The will of both maker and purchaser had to give way to the predestinated output of machinery with a one-track mind.</p>
<p>Nothing posed a more formidable obstacle than the American family. Traditionally, a self-sufficient production unit for which the marketplace played only an incidental role, the American family grew and produced its own food, cooked and served it; made its own soap and clothing. And provided its own transportation, entertainment, health care, and old age assistance. It entered freely into cooperative associations with neighbors, not with corporations. If that way of life had continued successfully—as it has for the modern Amish—it would have spelled curtains for corporate society.</p>
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		<title>By: investigative journalist</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/behind-the-facade-of-incompetence/#comment-8393</link>
		<dc:creator>investigative journalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bravo Charlie, well said. Everything happening in the middle east is a well orchestrated plan and is working perfectly. Also, you are absolutely correct that the root problem is the MSM. None of this could be happening if the people knew the truth. Well, that is why we are all here and working to solve the problem, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo Charlie, well said. Everything happening in the middle east is a well orchestrated plan and is working perfectly. Also, you are absolutely correct that the root problem is the MSM. None of this could be happening if the people knew the truth. Well, that is why we are all here and working to solve the problem, right?</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/behind-the-facade-of-incompetence/#comment-8381</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what&#039;s for lunch.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what&#8217;s for lunch.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Nasreddin</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/behind-the-facade-of-incompetence/#comment-8372</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ Nasreddin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If we are to survive as a republic, we must appreciate that capitalism and its cousin, global corporatism—not Saddam Hussein, not Communism or Socialism, nor Islamic terrorists, are the greatest threats to democracy. &quot;

Why do people continue to cry that capitalism - system for buying and selling - has a problem with democracy - the rule of the people. The two go well hand in hand - the freedom to buy and sell.

For Democracy to work - and it was known from the beginning - you must have an informed public. If the media sold out to corporate influence and corporate influence buys politicians, then you have a bad system - and the founding fathers pointed that out.

What is really bad for democracy is that no one has morals, values, or ethics. Democracy is government by the people, so bad people = bad government. There&#039;s a saying - &quot;People get the government they deserve.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If we are to survive as a republic, we must appreciate that capitalism and its cousin, global corporatism—not Saddam Hussein, not Communism or Socialism, nor Islamic terrorists, are the greatest threats to democracy. &#8221;</p>
<p>Why do people continue to cry that capitalism &#8211; system for buying and selling &#8211; has a problem with democracy &#8211; the rule of the people. The two go well hand in hand &#8211; the freedom to buy and sell.</p>
<p>For Democracy to work &#8211; and it was known from the beginning &#8211; you must have an informed public. If the media sold out to corporate influence and corporate influence buys politicians, then you have a bad system &#8211; and the founding fathers pointed that out.</p>
<p>What is really bad for democracy is that no one has morals, values, or ethics. Democracy is government by the people, so bad people = bad government. There&#8217;s a saying &#8211; &#8220;People get the government they deserve.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/behind-the-facade-of-incompetence/#comment-8317</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We all get together and tell the vicious laughing, well educated, and controlling capitalists that they have the most stupid ethics and changing their ethics must somehow take place very soon or else I&#039;ll type them to death or worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all get together and tell the vicious laughing, well educated, and controlling capitalists that they have the most stupid ethics and changing their ethics must somehow take place very soon or else I&#8217;ll type them to death or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/behind-the-facade-of-incompetence/#comment-8316</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Somehow, we must awaken from this media induced cultural stupor.&quot;

Anyhow, I have to figure out what &quot;somehow&quot; means and then tell Charlie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Somehow, we must awaken from this media induced cultural stupor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyhow, I have to figure out what &#8220;somehow&#8221; means and then tell Charlie.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/behind-the-facade-of-incompetence/#comment-8307</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charles...Great article. Thanks for writing it. The media is stupid and incompetent - so much so that it allows itself to be manipulated and led away from the truth.  Remember what happened to Phil Donahue when he was the ONLY one on air speaking against the war.
On the other hand, the government is brilliant and has created the largest money laundering campaign in history. 9/11 is the goose that laid the golden egg.   The government -democratic and republican Capitalists have brought about the transfer of  capital from the poor and middle class to the wealthiest. The capitalists have achieved their goal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles&#8230;Great article. Thanks for writing it. The media is stupid and incompetent &#8211; so much so that it allows itself to be manipulated and led away from the truth.  Remember what happened to Phil Donahue when he was the ONLY one on air speaking against the war.<br />
On the other hand, the government is brilliant and has created the largest money laundering campaign in history. 9/11 is the goose that laid the golden egg.   The government -democratic and republican Capitalists have brought about the transfer of  capital from the poor and middle class to the wealthiest. The capitalists have achieved their goal.</p>
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