Comments on: Are Conspiracy Theorists out of Their Gourds? http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Marq Goldberg http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-10017 Marq Goldberg Sun, 02 Dec 2007 10:40:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-10017 Talk show host and author Thom Hartmann has thoroughly analyzed the connection between a strong middle class and the demands they can make. Remember the '60's? But as long as people are kept scrambling for a living and in a state of constant fear they don't ask for much. While Americans are left begging for scraps of health care and jobs with ever diminishing wages and benefits Europeans are leaping ahead of us on all fronts. We're ranked last of all industrialized nations on infant mortality for f***s sake. And the dumbest thing about it is that American corporations think this attack on the middle class is helping its bottom line. And yet most of their profits these days are coming from Europe. Its a downward spiral that promises only to get exponentially worse. I'm afraid that by the time the revolution comes I'm going to be too old to enjoy it. Talk show host and author Thom Hartmann has thoroughly analyzed the connection between a strong middle class and the demands they can make. Remember the ’60′s?

But as long as people are kept scrambling for a living and in a state of constant fear they don’t ask for much. While Americans are left begging for scraps of health care and jobs with ever diminishing wages and benefits Europeans are leaping ahead of us on all fronts. We’re ranked last of all industrialized nations on infant mortality for f***s sake.

And the dumbest thing about it is that American corporations think this attack on the middle class is helping its bottom line. And yet most of their profits these days are coming from Europe. Its a downward spiral that promises only to get exponentially worse. I’m afraid that by the time the revolution comes I’m going to be too old to enjoy it.

]]> By: amandla http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9422 amandla Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:47:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9422 I think the neo-con Bush regime must've been mighty proud after they pulled off 9/11. Their seemingly masterly scheme to bring about fascism in the United States by orchestrating attacks against the American people had been pulled off like a charm--but has it? Sure, we all bought into the official story of what happened initially, despite what our eyes saw thousands of times on the TV. For those of us who've had the courage to actually revisit those videos, listen to top scientists who question the official story, and do a little research, 9/11 looks completely different than the way it looked in the beginning. We've seen and felt exactly how powerful media-driven propaganda can be, how we can be told something over and over until it is completely internalized. I felt a tinge of shame the more I looked at the specifics of the attacks. Sure, I thought I was pretty informed and acutely aware of what was going on in this country, but I allowed myself to accept what I was told just like everybody else. If thousands more of us decide to brave the waters of our fears and anxieties and really look at the information for alternative theories about 9/11 (without the fear of being labeled "nuts"), we'd form a political bloc of voters too large to be ignored. The American people deserve to have their lingering doubts laid to rest, and we deserve to know what our elected officials have been doing; the blood of the innocents cries out for straight and true answers to the many questions of their, and if we allow the true perpetrators of 9/11 to ride off into the sunset. 9/11 truth is not about political affiliations, race, gender, sexual orientation, weight, height, etc., it's about Americans coming together because they at least want to keep some semblance of the ideals of this country that we all believe in (at least rhetorically). This is one issue which transcends all of the other divisions that have been stoked by the elected leaders and the political establishment of this country, to our loss. Any American who is against the emerging fascist state should give some deep, hard consideration to the evidence of the 9/11 truth movement. We are at a point in time where we can truly change the course of history in this country for the better, and it's no time for self-interest, fear, or hestitation. I think the neo-con Bush regime must’ve been mighty proud after they pulled off 9/11. Their seemingly masterly scheme to bring about fascism in the United States by orchestrating attacks against the American people had been pulled off like a charm–but has it? Sure, we all bought into the official story of what happened initially, despite what our eyes saw thousands of times on the TV.

For those of us who’ve had the courage to actually revisit those videos, listen to top scientists who question the official story, and do a little research, 9/11 looks completely different than the way it looked in the beginning. We’ve seen and felt exactly how powerful media-driven propaganda can be, how we can be told something over and over until it is completely internalized. I felt a tinge of shame the more I looked at the specifics of the attacks. Sure, I thought I was pretty informed and acutely aware of what was going on in this country, but I allowed myself to accept what I was told just like everybody else.

If thousands more of us decide to brave the waters of our fears and anxieties and really look at the information for alternative theories about 9/11 (without the fear of being labeled “nuts”), we’d form a political bloc of voters too large to be ignored. The American people deserve to have their lingering doubts laid to rest, and we deserve to know what our elected officials have been doing; the blood of the innocents cries out for straight and true answers to the many questions of their, and if we allow the true perpetrators of 9/11 to ride off into the sunset.

9/11 truth is not about political affiliations, race, gender, sexual orientation, weight, height, etc., it’s about Americans coming together because they at least want to keep some semblance of the ideals of this country that we all believe in (at least rhetorically). This is one issue which transcends all of the other divisions that have been stoked by the elected leaders and the political establishment of this country, to our loss.

Any American who is against the emerging fascist state should give some deep, hard consideration to the evidence of the 9/11 truth movement. We are at a point in time where we can truly change the course of history in this country for the better, and it’s no time for self-interest, fear, or hestitation.

]]> By: George Thompson http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9404 George Thompson Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:07:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9404 I recently gave some thought to why Americans put up with so much malfeasance from our government. We're cowards. People in other countries organize and march and boycott, etc. They are ready to die for their rights but Americans fear their government like the IRS. Americans are a fractured people. We are overindividualized through Hollywood infantilism and constantly chasing that next capitalistic dollar. We lack the unity to confront our government and force it to stop these ongoing illegalities. With incidents like the Plame outing people have come to fear their government because they know Bush and Cheney will do anything to ruin their lives and livelihoods. We have become a nation of cowards who would rather carve out our own little sphere of sheltered existence than fix the problem for society at large. We would rather benefit personally from evil, rich people that provide solutions to provide for the bulk of society. It is selfish. It is myopic and it is amoral. We will and are being punished for our complicity in these policies of US exceptionalism. The US is a failed experiment. All that has to happen now is for the dollar to finish crashing. We could've stopped all this with ten million people going to Washington DC and refusing to leave until changes were made but we turned politics into a spectator sport. I recently gave some thought to why Americans put up with so much malfeasance from our government. We’re cowards. People in other countries organize and march and boycott, etc. They are ready to die for their rights but Americans fear their government like the IRS. Americans are a fractured people. We are overindividualized through Hollywood infantilism and constantly chasing that next capitalistic dollar. We lack the unity to confront our government and force it to stop these ongoing illegalities. With incidents like the Plame outing people have come to fear their government because they know Bush and Cheney will do anything to ruin their lives and livelihoods. We have become a nation of cowards who would rather carve out our own little sphere of sheltered existence than fix the problem for society at large. We would rather benefit personally from evil, rich people that provide solutions to provide for the bulk of society. It is selfish. It is myopic and it is amoral. We will and are being punished for our complicity in these policies of US exceptionalism. The US is a failed experiment. All that has to happen now is for the dollar to finish crashing. We could’ve stopped all this with ten million people going to Washington DC and refusing to leave until changes were made but we turned politics into a spectator sport.

]]> By: George Bush http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9383 George Bush Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:59:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9383 Hey, how could a moron like me fool so many people? Just wait 'til I turn my weather machine on the lot of you!! Buwhahahahaha! Hey, how could a moron like me fool so many people? Just wait ’til I turn my weather machine on the lot of you!! Buwhahahahaha!

]]> By: Jack http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9372 Jack Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:12:28 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9372 Sorry, I'm just a very small french guy who doesn't want to look like giving any lesson.... But, we're not in 2001 yet... Where were you during these 6 deadly long years ????? And what are you waiting for ???? Your bloody chief to talk to congress !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please, open your eyes, that's the best way to leave him going on sending your boys giving their life to kill children and wives all over the world... And why would your next president stop these ethnic and religious murders (there's still oil under Iraqi sands or in any Muslin Nation) ????? As a democratic Nation, American people has a very huge responsability in it's government's acts !!!!! Either, wouldn't it be a dictatorship ??? Sorry, I’m just a very small french guy who doesn’t want to look like giving any lesson…. But, we’re not in 2001 yet… Where were you during these 6 deadly long years ????? And what are you waiting for ???? Your bloody chief to talk to congress !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please, open your eyes, that’s the best way to leave him going on sending your boys giving their life to kill children and wives all over the world… And why would your next president stop these ethnic and religious murders (there’s still oil under Iraqi sands or in any Muslin Nation) ?????

As a democratic Nation, American people has a very huge responsability in it’s government’s acts !!!!! Either, wouldn’t it be a dictatorship ???

]]> By: AJ Nasreddin http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9358 AJ Nasreddin Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:08:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9358 simuvac, unfortunately all of the physical evidence seems to have been exported as scrap metal - and Bush won't even talk to Congress so I think the idea of transparency is dead. One would think logically that in order to shut up all those crazy conspiracy theorists they'd have a thorough investigation. So why did Bush stop it? simuvac, unfortunately all of the physical evidence seems to have been exported as scrap metal – and Bush won’t even talk to Congress so I think the idea of transparency is dead.

One would think logically that in order to shut up all those crazy conspiracy theorists they’d have a thorough investigation. So why did Bush stop it?

]]> By: simuvac http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9307 simuvac Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:05:56 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9307 What happened to good old government transparency? Why can't we have an "official" investigation of something important (such as 9/11) that actually investigates, you know, by using subpoenas and getting people to testify under oath, and by not tossing the physical evidence? When did the progressive Left become so cynical that it doesn't even demand government transparency for the most important events in the history of America (JFK, 9/11, etc.), but instead hollers "conspiracy theory" at people who do demand transparency? The casual deployment of the term "conspiracy theory" is a pretty good indication of how much contempt most people have for democracy. What happened to good old government transparency? Why can’t we have an “official” investigation of something important (such as 9/11) that actually investigates, you know, by using subpoenas and getting people to testify under oath, and by not tossing the physical evidence? When did the progressive Left become so cynical that it doesn’t even demand government transparency for the most important events in the history of America (JFK, 9/11, etc.), but instead hollers “conspiracy theory” at people who do demand transparency?

The casual deployment of the term “conspiracy theory” is a pretty good indication of how much contempt most people have for democracy.

]]> By: greybeard http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9277 greybeard Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:19:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/are-conspiracy-theorists-out-of-their-gourds/#comment-9277 Bravo, Sheila! The PR system is working well, but (amazingly!) the public seems to be waking up. David Ray Griffin ("Debunking 9/11 debunking"), Scholars for 9// Truth and Justice (http://www.stj911.org) and Patriots question 9/11 (http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/) all thank you. The official story has more holes than a screen door. An equally intriguing question is, who master-minded it. Since the advice to "follow the money" really means to ask who profited, who profited most by the public response to 9/11? Bravo, Sheila! The PR system is working well, but (amazingly!) the public seems to be waking up. David Ray Griffin (“Debunking 9/11 debunking”), Scholars for 9// Truth and Justice (http://www.stj911.org) and Patriots question 9/11 (http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/) all thank you. The official story has more holes than a screen door. An equally intriguing question is, who master-minded it. Since the advice to “follow the money” really means to ask who profited, who profited most by the public response to 9/11?

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