Comments on: A Case for Arab Dignity http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/a-case-for-arab-dignity/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: jaime http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/a-case-for-arab-dignity/#comment-8527 jaime Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:23:36 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/a-case-for-arab-dignity/#comment-8527 Here's an example of one potential glimmer of hope: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1192380748852&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Depending on how things might go at the Annapolis Conference. If the Israelis and the Palestinians can work out something, then "...Turkey had expressed interest in establishing industrial zones in Jenin, Jericho and Tarkumiya..." http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1192380746801&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull "...Barak said, "Israel is going to seek important agreements that would require the Palestinians to implement the first stage of the road map." "This includes dismantling all terrorist organizations," said the defense minister, adding that "the demand to dismantle terror camps extends to Gaza as well." Barak hinted that Fatah might need to go into the Strip to confront Hamas head on. ..." Here’s an example of one potential glimmer of hope:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1192380748852&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Depending on how things might go at the Annapolis Conference. If the Israelis and the Palestinians can work out something, then

“…Turkey had expressed interest in establishing industrial zones in Jenin, Jericho and Tarkumiya…”

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1192380746801&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

“…Barak said, “Israel is going to seek important agreements that would require the Palestinians to implement the first stage of the road map.”

“This includes dismantling all terrorist organizations,” said the defense minister, adding that “the demand to dismantle terror camps extends to Gaza as well.” Barak hinted that Fatah might need to go into the Strip to confront Hamas head on. …”

]]> By: jaime http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/a-case-for-arab-dignity/#comment-8463 jaime Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:39:08 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/a-case-for-arab-dignity/#comment-8463 No, using Baroud's words for constructive introspection instead of encouraging Palestinians to continue wallowing in self pity and violence is to begin to forge a way forward. Since the creation of Israel, the Palestinian Arabs have been used as pawns and as political footballs against Israel rather than as an emerging nation, one of several in the Levant in the global changes that came about since WW1 and the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Israel received foreign aid. So does Egypt, Pakistan and many more. If you just want to single out Israel for condemnation (albeit popular on this board) then you're doing the double standard thing, or have taken a pro-terror line. No, using Baroud’s words for constructive introspection instead of encouraging Palestinians to continue wallowing in self pity and violence is to begin to forge a way forward.

Since the creation of Israel, the Palestinian Arabs have been used as pawns and as political footballs against Israel rather than as an emerging nation, one of several in the Levant in the global changes that came about since WW1 and the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Israel received foreign aid. So does Egypt, Pakistan and many more.

If you just want to single out Israel for condemnation (albeit popular on this board) then you’re doing the double standard thing, or have taken a pro-terror line.

]]> By: Mike McNiven http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/a-case-for-arab-dignity/#comment-8446 Mike McNiven Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:07:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/a-case-for-arab-dignity/#comment-8446 In addition to being the victims of G-7 imperialists, the Palestinians, up to this moment, have been denied their legitimate rights to statehood! How are they supposed to have a "currency"? Also, speaking of "dependence on foreign handouts," who is receiving more foreign handouts -- several times more -- Palestinians or Israel? Using Mr.Baroud's words to look down at Palestinians, a Semitic people, is anti-semitic! In addition to being the victims of G-7 imperialists, the Palestinians, up to this moment, have been denied their legitimate rights to statehood! How are they supposed to have a “currency”?
Also, speaking of “dependence on foreign handouts,” who is receiving more foreign handouts — several times more — Palestinians or Israel? Using Mr.Baroud’s words to look down at Palestinians, a Semitic people, is anti-semitic!

]]> By: jaime http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/a-case-for-arab-dignity/#comment-8430 jaime Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:21:52 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/a-case-for-arab-dignity/#comment-8430 "For Arab countries to have some hope of a meaningful future (and indeed present), grassroots work must replace intellectual detachment, wealth must be invested in building self-sustained societies" Yep...as in separation of religion and judiciary from the state, and developing diverse and stable economies instead of hoarding and preparing for war. Take for instance, the Palestinian territories. They're an economic basket case, with no currency of their own and no industry to speak of; dependent on foreign hand outs. Not welcome as foreign workers, considered hostile and unstable by all democratic nations, a progressive grassroots democratic movement that took power away from Hamas and Fatah and had other interests besides trying to terrorize their neighbors might actually get somewhere. “For Arab countries to have some hope of a meaningful future (and indeed present), grassroots work must replace intellectual detachment, wealth must be invested in building self-sustained societies”

Yep…as in separation of religion and judiciary from the state, and developing diverse and stable economies instead of hoarding and preparing for war.

Take for instance, the Palestinian territories. They’re an economic basket case, with no currency of their own and no industry to speak of; dependent on foreign hand outs. Not welcome as foreign workers, considered hostile and unstable by all democratic nations, a progressive grassroots democratic movement that took power away from Hamas and Fatah and had other interests besides trying to terrorize their neighbors might actually get somewhere.

]]> By: jaime http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/a-case-for-arab-dignity/#comment-8366 jaime Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:12:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/11/a-case-for-arab-dignity/#comment-8366 This is the most thoughtful article by Baroud that I've ever seen. Arabs are by no means a monolithic culture. And a substantial problem that impedes every kind of progress in Arab countries are the tribalistic aspects of their culture. This is the most thoughtful article by Baroud that I’ve ever seen.

Arabs are by no means a monolithic culture. And a substantial problem that impedes every kind of progress in Arab countries are the tribalistic aspects of their culture.

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