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		<title>By: Mike McNiven</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/stifling-times-at-college-campuses/#comment-7760</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McNiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anti-imperialist/ anti-capitalist academics, everywhere, deserve our support!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/world/middleeast/09iran.html?th&amp;emc=th</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-imperialist/ anti-capitalist academics, everywhere, deserve our support!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/world/middleeast/09iran.html?th&#038;emc=th" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/world/middleeast/09iran.html?th&#038;emc=th</a></p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/stifling-times-at-college-campuses/#comment-7694</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s look at this slightly hysterical phrase for moment, Komrades....

&quot;POLITICAL ZIONISM AS A RACIST IDEOLOGY AND ISRAEL AS AN APARTHEID EUROPEAN-FOUNDED IMPERIALIST SETTLER-COLONIAL STATE&quot;

Interesting. Jews are indigenous to the middle east. This was accepted on other threads. Remember...The Dead Sea Scrolls? Jesus?

So this hate stuff is just so much programmed racist claptrap. Sorry.
Which puts s back to what do you want to do about Israel, if you&#039;re so obsessed with how terrible it is?

7 million people there now. 

Do you want to kill them all?  What&#039;s your answer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s look at this slightly hysterical phrase for moment, Komrades&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;POLITICAL ZIONISM AS A RACIST IDEOLOGY AND ISRAEL AS AN APARTHEID EUROPEAN-FOUNDED IMPERIALIST SETTLER-COLONIAL STATE&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting. Jews are indigenous to the middle east. This was accepted on other threads. Remember&#8230;The Dead Sea Scrolls? Jesus?</p>
<p>So this hate stuff is just so much programmed racist claptrap. Sorry.<br />
Which puts s back to what do you want to do about Israel, if you&#8217;re so obsessed with how terrible it is?</p>
<p>7 million people there now. </p>
<p>Do you want to kill them all?  What&#8217;s your answer?</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/stifling-times-at-college-campuses/#comment-7444</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, for what it is worth.
Nancy Zingale, the faculty sponsor for Tutu&#039;s lecture at the U of St. Thomas
sent me a gracious thank you for my humble support of her university&#039;s stepping up to scholarship and open debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, for what it is worth.<br />
Nancy Zingale, the faculty sponsor for Tutu&#8217;s lecture at the U of St. Thomas<br />
sent me a gracious thank you for my humble support of her university&#8217;s stepping up to scholarship and open debate.</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/stifling-times-at-college-campuses/#comment-7442</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph, please be kind, gentle, and tolerant of you brothers, Grant Smith and Michael Kenny, because we are all on the same side against hateful Zionist propaganda and its bloodshed and murder. 
There are plenty of vicious bastards working for Zionism.
We will need each other in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, please be kind, gentle, and tolerant of you brothers, Grant Smith and Michael Kenny, because we are all on the same side against hateful Zionist propaganda and its bloodshed and murder.<br />
There are plenty of vicious bastards working for Zionism.<br />
We will need each other in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Anderson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/stifling-times-at-college-campuses/#comment-7436</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE BIG WHITE-&amp;-BLUE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM WITH THE STAR OF DAVID ON ITS FOREHEAD

Michael Kenny said on October 15th, 2007 at 7:03 am: &quot;Bear in mind that both DePaul and St. Thomas are Catholic universities whose mission is to provide Catholic education.&quot;

WHAT A RIDICULOUS STATEMENT.

Or perhaps he needs to define what you think &quot;Catholic education&quot; is. Is it teaching &quot;Catholic physics&quot;, &quot;Catholic astronomy&quot; (no, Galileo and Copernicus have now been officially accepted by the Vatican), &quot;Catholic biology&quot; (including &quot;Catholic creationism&quot;), &quot;Catholic capitalist economic theory&quot;? Catholic universities (at least modern ones) have always had non-Catholic professors/instructors. Besides, Finkelstein wasn&#039;t at DePaul to proselytize for Judaism (or to teach that Judaism is &quot;the one true faith&quot;), and Tutu wasn&#039;t going to the Univ. of St.Thomas to proseltyze for Anglicanism. However, it&#039;s also entirely possible for a Catholic university to have a scholarly course taught by a Muslim or Jewish or Anglican scholar (whether even Muslim, Jewish, Anglican him-/herself or not) about Islam or Judaism or Anglicanism. 

A Catholic university is a university founded and, in part, funded by the Catholic church to provide an education in, presumably, a Catholic environment -- which means there would be university recognition and celebration of Church religious days and holy days and holidays, and church services on those days. There would be courses on/by Catholic theologians, theoreticians and philosophers. There would be a university church/chapel for daily mass attendance and a pastor &amp;/or other priests/clerics funded, as clerics, by the university. There might also be Catholic catechism classes.

Smith is dancing around THE BIG WHITE-&amp;-BLUE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM WITH THE STAR OF DAVID ON ITS FOREHEAD. 

What do we have in common with both Finkelstein and Tutu and any other such threatened academics or denied speakers?: both are incisive CRITICS OF POLITICAL ZIONISM AS A RACIST IDEOLOGY AND ISRAEL AS AN APARTHEID EUROPEAN-FOUNDED IMPERIALIST SETTLER-COLONIAL STATE -- and *that* is what must not be officially allowed on American/Canadian university campuses, especially by academics and prominent official guest speakers. 

That is where &quot;cowardly administrators prioritize endowment over education&quot;: they usually cave in to, indeed, bullying threats by THE ISRAEL LOBBY -- unless the rest of us fight back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE BIG WHITE-&amp;-BLUE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM WITH THE STAR OF DAVID ON ITS FOREHEAD</p>
<p>Michael Kenny said on October 15th, 2007 at 7:03 am: &#8220;Bear in mind that both DePaul and St. Thomas are Catholic universities whose mission is to provide Catholic education.&#8221;</p>
<p>WHAT A RIDICULOUS STATEMENT.</p>
<p>Or perhaps he needs to define what you think &#8220;Catholic education&#8221; is. Is it teaching &#8220;Catholic physics&#8221;, &#8220;Catholic astronomy&#8221; (no, Galileo and Copernicus have now been officially accepted by the Vatican), &#8220;Catholic biology&#8221; (including &#8220;Catholic creationism&#8221;), &#8220;Catholic capitalist economic theory&#8221;? Catholic universities (at least modern ones) have always had non-Catholic professors/instructors. Besides, Finkelstein wasn&#8217;t at DePaul to proselytize for Judaism (or to teach that Judaism is &#8220;the one true faith&#8221;), and Tutu wasn&#8217;t going to the Univ. of St.Thomas to proseltyze for Anglicanism. However, it&#8217;s also entirely possible for a Catholic university to have a scholarly course taught by a Muslim or Jewish or Anglican scholar (whether even Muslim, Jewish, Anglican him-/herself or not) about Islam or Judaism or Anglicanism. </p>
<p>A Catholic university is a university founded and, in part, funded by the Catholic church to provide an education in, presumably, a Catholic environment &#8212; which means there would be university recognition and celebration of Church religious days and holy days and holidays, and church services on those days. There would be courses on/by Catholic theologians, theoreticians and philosophers. There would be a university church/chapel for daily mass attendance and a pastor &amp;/or other priests/clerics funded, as clerics, by the university. There might also be Catholic catechism classes.</p>
<p>Smith is dancing around THE BIG WHITE-&amp;-BLUE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM WITH THE STAR OF DAVID ON ITS FOREHEAD. </p>
<p>What do we have in common with both Finkelstein and Tutu and any other such threatened academics or denied speakers?: both are incisive CRITICS OF POLITICAL ZIONISM AS A RACIST IDEOLOGY AND ISRAEL AS AN APARTHEID EUROPEAN-FOUNDED IMPERIALIST SETTLER-COLONIAL STATE &#8212; and *that* is what must not be officially allowed on American/Canadian university campuses, especially by academics and prominent official guest speakers. </p>
<p>That is where &#8220;cowardly administrators prioritize endowment over education&#8221;: they usually cave in to, indeed, bullying threats by THE ISRAEL LOBBY &#8212; unless the rest of us fight back.</p>
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		<title>By: rgaylor</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/stifling-times-at-college-campuses/#comment-7386</link>
		<dc:creator>rgaylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kenny ... lock step thought is precisely what Grant Smith is warning against.  Your advocacy of &#039;correct&#039; thinking is anathema.

Parochialism is a negative.  The parochial mindset is inimical to the values of an open society ... and thus, while well withing the unfortunate tradition of American narrow-mindedness is antithetical to what a college education should be ... an opening of the ears to the ideas of others.  It does not imply that the speaker is correct because the speaker is heard.

My own journey was radicalized, not by speakers but rather by actors.  As a librarian I am committed to the concept of collection balance ... the idea that in the life of the mind all ideas are worth giving some thought to.  It is a sad fact that there are so many well-meaning people (I give them the benefit of the doubt) who are so mean about things they disagree with.  Book banning and burning is not dead ... and it is a two-way street.

Is that what we are all about?  Agree with me ... or leave? Agree with me ... or I will ban you from my presence?  Agree with me ... or I will ban/burn your book?  Agree with me ... because only I can be right?

I would hope not.

G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kenny &#8230; lock step thought is precisely what Grant Smith is warning against.  Your advocacy of &#8216;correct&#8217; thinking is anathema.</p>
<p>Parochialism is a negative.  The parochial mindset is inimical to the values of an open society &#8230; and thus, while well withing the unfortunate tradition of American narrow-mindedness is antithetical to what a college education should be &#8230; an opening of the ears to the ideas of others.  It does not imply that the speaker is correct because the speaker is heard.</p>
<p>My own journey was radicalized, not by speakers but rather by actors.  As a librarian I am committed to the concept of collection balance &#8230; the idea that in the life of the mind all ideas are worth giving some thought to.  It is a sad fact that there are so many well-meaning people (I give them the benefit of the doubt) who are so mean about things they disagree with.  Book banning and burning is not dead &#8230; and it is a two-way street.</p>
<p>Is that what we are all about?  Agree with me &#8230; or leave? Agree with me &#8230; or I will ban you from my presence?  Agree with me &#8230; or I will ban/burn your book?  Agree with me &#8230; because only I can be right?</p>
<p>I would hope not.</p>
<p>G</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/stifling-times-at-college-campuses/#comment-7370</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bear in mind that both DePaul and St. Thomas are Catholic universities whose mission is to provide Catholic education. What what I know of them, both Norman Finkelstein and Desmond Tutu are very admirable men but neither is Catholic and it is questionable whether the cause of Catholic education is advanced by giving them a platform in a Catholic institution. Clearly, there is a difference between a Jewish academic and an Anglican Archbishop and I&#039;m not surprised that Father Dease has had second thoughts. Refusing to receive one of the most
world&#039;s prominent Anglicans would ecumenically damaging for the Catholic Church and that may well be the thought which convinced Father Dease.

A more interesting question, though, is how America&#039;s Catholic universities found themselves in a position where non-Catholic groups, whether Jewish or otherwise, could bully them. Is it linked to finance? If so, shouldn&#039;t the universities look to broadening their financial base. Certainly, the cause of Catholic education is not well served if the universities can be held to ransom by non-Catholic groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear in mind that both DePaul and St. Thomas are Catholic universities whose mission is to provide Catholic education. What what I know of them, both Norman Finkelstein and Desmond Tutu are very admirable men but neither is Catholic and it is questionable whether the cause of Catholic education is advanced by giving them a platform in a Catholic institution. Clearly, there is a difference between a Jewish academic and an Anglican Archbishop and I&#8217;m not surprised that Father Dease has had second thoughts. Refusing to receive one of the most<br />
world&#8217;s prominent Anglicans would ecumenically damaging for the Catholic Church and that may well be the thought which convinced Father Dease.</p>
<p>A more interesting question, though, is how America&#8217;s Catholic universities found themselves in a position where non-Catholic groups, whether Jewish or otherwise, could bully them. Is it linked to finance? If so, shouldn&#8217;t the universities look to broadening their financial base. Certainly, the cause of Catholic education is not well served if the universities can be held to ransom by non-Catholic groups.</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/stifling-times-at-college-campuses/#comment-7367</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant, when I read about Dease&#039;s reversal, I e-mailed Nancy Zingale, the faculty sponsor for Tutu&#039;s appearance.

I said; &quot;Go Catholics. And Galileo is with you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant, when I read about Dease&#8217;s reversal, I e-mailed Nancy Zingale, the faculty sponsor for Tutu&#8217;s appearance.</p>
<p>I said; &#8220;Go Catholics. And Galileo is with you.&#8221;</p>
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