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		<title>By: AJ Nasreddin</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/rescue-2008/#comment-8131</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ Nasreddin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4 billion years - not 40 billion. Anyways, too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4 billion years &#8211; not 40 billion. Anyways, too long.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Nasreddin</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/rescue-2008/#comment-7830</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ Nasreddin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what are you going to do about all that DU spread over the Middle East that&#039;ll take some 40 billion years to go away by itself?

It&#039;s not enough to boot some out of office. Don&#039;t expect the Muslims to sit on &quot;good will&quot; given the track record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what are you going to do about all that DU spread over the Middle East that&#8217;ll take some 40 billion years to go away by itself?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not enough to boot some out of office. Don&#8217;t expect the Muslims to sit on &#8220;good will&#8221; given the track record.</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/rescue-2008/#comment-7598</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Fisk&#039;s website is better than all the typing and linear print in kneeling and praying Christendom with its boundless mercy for - nobody.

And those pompous beltway  bastards with their communications credentials are always going on about protecting our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Fisk&#8217;s website is better than all the typing and linear print in kneeling and praying Christendom with its boundless mercy for &#8211; nobody.</p>
<p>And those pompous beltway  bastards with their communications credentials are always going on about protecting our children.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/rescue-2008/#comment-7533</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat...I agree. The usa is overflowing with crocodile tears. The &quot;we didn&#039;t really mean to kill all of those children&quot; argument is used all the time by liberals, Dems/Repubs, etc.

Brenda...Please look again for the photo. It is there, honest.

corylus...You are right. These ARE our children.  I share your frustration. The idea that being usa&#039;ers gives a special entitlement is currently being encouraged in so many ways. The usa courts have denied legal and human rights to the prisoners being held in Gitmo and in the secret prisons all around the world.  The idea that &quot;others&quot; are not equal under the law is very disturbing. In many ways we are all &quot;others&quot;. The attitude of the majority in this country toward immigrants is a perfect example a pathological national superiority complex.  I do not blame the government.  It is a matter of  individual responsibility.  Any individual who believes that he should have special rights because of where his mother was when he was born, needs to rethink his position. Geographical prejudice is no more acceptable than racial, ethnic, economic, or religious prejudice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat&#8230;I agree. The usa is overflowing with crocodile tears. The &#8220;we didn&#8217;t really mean to kill all of those children&#8221; argument is used all the time by liberals, Dems/Repubs, etc.</p>
<p>Brenda&#8230;Please look again for the photo. It is there, honest.</p>
<p>corylus&#8230;You are right. These ARE our children.  I share your frustration. The idea that being usa&#8217;ers gives a special entitlement is currently being encouraged in so many ways. The usa courts have denied legal and human rights to the prisoners being held in Gitmo and in the secret prisons all around the world.  The idea that &#8220;others&#8221; are not equal under the law is very disturbing. In many ways we are all &#8220;others&#8221;. The attitude of the majority in this country toward immigrants is a perfect example a pathological national superiority complex.  I do not blame the government.  It is a matter of  individual responsibility.  Any individual who believes that he should have special rights because of where his mother was when he was born, needs to rethink his position. Geographical prejudice is no more acceptable than racial, ethnic, economic, or religious prejudice.</p>
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		<title>By: corylus</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/rescue-2008/#comment-7522</link>
		<dc:creator>corylus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t yet looked at the photos suggested, although I may.  Yet I am not one who needs the &quot;shock&quot; value -- I&#039;ve been shocked and heartbroken and enraged and despondent since the days of the Clinton sanctions against Iraq.  I&#039;ve marched and demonstrated, and been harasses by Homeland Security, the Capitol Police, and the Secret Service for the words I&#039;ve written in over a thousand letters and emails to Congress and other politicians and decisionmakers.  I&#039;ve sent long, heartfelt letters of conscience to friends and associates asking that they too take some form of action in protest against the madness that has consumed this country.  The response has been mind-shattering apathy and inaction.  

I recently referred well over one hundred friends to the Afterdowningstreet.org website to sign the petition to the U. S. military asking the armed forces to refuse to attack Iran; I consider most of my friends to be well educated and somewhat liberal (as worthless and misleading as that categorization is).  Regardless of what anyone thinks about the effectiveness of such a petition, the simple act of signing in support I consider to be the least a person can do to register a voice against the insanity.  Yet only 2 of my friends have signed on over a week&#039;s time (and perhaps independently of my correspondence to them).  Either I&#039;ve become a very poor judge of character and vastly overestimated the humanity of my friends, or they, like so many others, are afraid, misinformed, and distracted, and we are well on our way to a nation that by scale will end up being much worse for the rest of the world than was Nazi Germany.  I think, unfortunately, that most people have been blinded and psychologically co-opted by the system that enslaves them, and cannot see outside their comfortable life boxes to take meaningful action.  And for the life of me, as someone who&#039;s spent decades trying to find a path to effective political action, I&#039;m not sure I can blame anyone -- including myself -- for sticking one&#039;s head back in the ground.  Perhaps I need to refer them to these photos with the simple message that &quot;this is your child.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t yet looked at the photos suggested, although I may.  Yet I am not one who needs the &#8220;shock&#8221; value &#8212; I&#8217;ve been shocked and heartbroken and enraged and despondent since the days of the Clinton sanctions against Iraq.  I&#8217;ve marched and demonstrated, and been harasses by Homeland Security, the Capitol Police, and the Secret Service for the words I&#8217;ve written in over a thousand letters and emails to Congress and other politicians and decisionmakers.  I&#8217;ve sent long, heartfelt letters of conscience to friends and associates asking that they too take some form of action in protest against the madness that has consumed this country.  The response has been mind-shattering apathy and inaction.  </p>
<p>I recently referred well over one hundred friends to the Afterdowningstreet.org website to sign the petition to the U. S. military asking the armed forces to refuse to attack Iran; I consider most of my friends to be well educated and somewhat liberal (as worthless and misleading as that categorization is).  Regardless of what anyone thinks about the effectiveness of such a petition, the simple act of signing in support I consider to be the least a person can do to register a voice against the insanity.  Yet only 2 of my friends have signed on over a week&#8217;s time (and perhaps independently of my correspondence to them).  Either I&#8217;ve become a very poor judge of character and vastly overestimated the humanity of my friends, or they, like so many others, are afraid, misinformed, and distracted, and we are well on our way to a nation that by scale will end up being much worse for the rest of the world than was Nazi Germany.  I think, unfortunately, that most people have been blinded and psychologically co-opted by the system that enslaves them, and cannot see outside their comfortable life boxes to take meaningful action.  And for the life of me, as someone who&#8217;s spent decades trying to find a path to effective political action, I&#8217;m not sure I can blame anyone &#8212; including myself &#8212; for sticking one&#8217;s head back in the ground.  Perhaps I need to refer them to these photos with the simple message that &#8220;this is your child.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/rescue-2008/#comment-7517</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is consistent especially with Liberals is denial.  They especially deny racism and  Zionism and the effects they have on U.S. culture and policy making.  A liberal will take a look at the Fisk photos and dismissing them with some blurb regarding collateral damage as follows:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;We are sorry that this unfortunate incident occurred.  It was not our intent but we must remain ever vigilant in the &#039;War on Terror (tm).  We mustn&#039;t let our guard down as we find an alternative to oil sine that is the main reason why we are at war and even Alan Greenspan admits that.  And since Greenspan was FED chairman for 20 years he has enormous credibility. 

Thus we need a plan to use alternative energy such as biofuels so that the starving people of Latin America can growing foodstuff that will be consumed as in our quaint hybrids cars and help expand the economy creating new jobs for everyone.  Also we must not overlook the threat of peek oil with oil rapidly approaching $100.00/barrel.  Nevermide the fact that I voted to give our President the unconstitutional authorization to go to war.  It was due to the fact that I didn&#039;t have all the information at the time.  And besides, Saddam threw out the inspectors and was not forthcoming about his weapon cache.  Regardless, I don&#039;t believe we should impeach the President because that will only make swing voters not like us and we don&#039;t want to lose the red state white voters.

Finally, cannot and must not abandon the only &#039;democracy&#039; in the Middle East who are surrounded by fierce enemies and support their apartheid ... er ... security &#039;fence&#039;.  blah blah blah&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is consistent especially with Liberals is denial.  They especially deny racism and  Zionism and the effects they have on U.S. culture and policy making.  A liberal will take a look at the Fisk photos and dismissing them with some blurb regarding collateral damage as follows:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We are sorry that this unfortunate incident occurred.  It was not our intent but we must remain ever vigilant in the &#8216;War on Terror &#8482;.  We mustn&#8217;t let our guard down as we find an alternative to oil sine that is the main reason why we are at war and even Alan Greenspan admits that.  And since Greenspan was FED chairman for 20 years he has enormous credibility. </p>
<p>Thus we need a plan to use alternative energy such as biofuels so that the starving people of Latin America can growing foodstuff that will be consumed as in our quaint hybrids cars and help expand the economy creating new jobs for everyone.  Also we must not overlook the threat of peek oil with oil rapidly approaching $100.00/barrel.  Nevermide the fact that I voted to give our President the unconstitutional authorization to go to war.  It was due to the fact that I didn&#8217;t have all the information at the time.  And besides, Saddam threw out the inspectors and was not forthcoming about his weapon cache.  Regardless, I don&#8217;t believe we should impeach the President because that will only make swing voters not like us and we don&#8217;t want to lose the red state white voters.</p>
<p>Finally, cannot and must not abandon the only &#8216;democracy&#8217; in the Middle East who are surrounded by fierce enemies and support their apartheid &#8230; er &#8230; security &#8216;fence&#8217;.  blah blah blah&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/rescue-2008/#comment-7516</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw many horrific pictures at robert-fisk.com but didn&#039;t find the ones of the little girl in pink.  Can someone help me find the right group of photos, please?  I don&#039;t seek them as a voyeur, but have a feeling they might be able to move some intransigent friends and family who keep defending our continued atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan with &quot;yeah, but...&quot;.

Thanks if you can help.  I&#039;ve been working in peace activism since Jan &#039;03 and am profoundly frustrated with our failure to stop the carnage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw many horrific pictures at robert-fisk.com but didn&#8217;t find the ones of the little girl in pink.  Can someone help me find the right group of photos, please?  I don&#8217;t seek them as a voyeur, but have a feeling they might be able to move some intransigent friends and family who keep defending our continued atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan with &#8220;yeah, but&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>Thanks if you can help.  I&#8217;ve been working in peace activism since Jan &#8216;03 and am profoundly frustrated with our failure to stop the carnage.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/rescue-2008/#comment-7505</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 23:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for these comments. Keep &#039;em coming.  PLEASE, get everyone you come in contact with to look at the Fisk photos. Pay special attention to the 3 photos of the little girl on the first page, second row - the beautiful little girl with the back of her head blown off  by us. That is the photo that changed my life. Of course I knew that things like that happened, but seeing the photo changed me forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for these comments. Keep &#8216;em coming.  PLEASE, get everyone you come in contact with to look at the Fisk photos. Pay special attention to the 3 photos of the little girl on the first page, second row &#8211; the beautiful little girl with the back of her head blown off  by us. That is the photo that changed my life. Of course I knew that things like that happened, but seeing the photo changed me forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony S.</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/rescue-2008/#comment-7500</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m seriously hoping that maybe the United States electorate will become less malleable as we descend deeper into Bush neo-fascism.   But as more strong-arm Blackwater tactics are applied to U.S. citizens, they may be even less likely to express dissent.  The upcoming election could likely be cheated anyway, and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Jeb Bush came out as the next U.S. President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m seriously hoping that maybe the United States electorate will become less malleable as we descend deeper into Bush neo-fascism.   But as more strong-arm Blackwater tactics are applied to U.S. citizens, they may be even less likely to express dissent.  The upcoming election could likely be cheated anyway, and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Jeb Bush came out as the next U.S. President.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert B. Livingston</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/rescue-2008/#comment-7494</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert B. Livingston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a description of Pelosi&#039;s San Francisco spokesperson Dan Bernal viewing pictures of some of these children.
http://tinyurl.com/2b6dxo
The next time he saw me he gently chided me as if I were a naughty boy for describing him the way I did. (I was trying to describe him as truthfully as I could.)

I told him once that the best thing he could do was to resign his job in protest-- I also asked him once if Pelosi was being blackmailed in some way (he refused to answer that question).  

It is hard for me to fathom how intelligent people like Dan Bernal still rationalize our indefensible wars.

I can only conclude with Nader, that they fear the nitroglycerine in the White House more than doing what is right and necessary.

Perhaps it is the tragedy of the human condition that we all, best of us included, fail in so many ways.  At the same time, our condition can occasionally rise to confront and vanquish our worse demons.  To not attempt to do so is to to completely fail our purpose for being here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a description of Pelosi&#8217;s San Francisco spokesperson Dan Bernal viewing pictures of some of these children.<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/2b6dxo" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2b6dxo</a><br />
The next time he saw me he gently chided me as if I were a naughty boy for describing him the way I did. (I was trying to describe him as truthfully as I could.)</p>
<p>I told him once that the best thing he could do was to resign his job in protest&#8211; I also asked him once if Pelosi was being blackmailed in some way (he refused to answer that question).  </p>
<p>It is hard for me to fathom how intelligent people like Dan Bernal still rationalize our indefensible wars.</p>
<p>I can only conclude with Nader, that they fear the nitroglycerine in the White House more than doing what is right and necessary.</p>
<p>Perhaps it is the tragedy of the human condition that we all, best of us included, fail in so many ways.  At the same time, our condition can occasionally rise to confront and vanquish our worse demons.  To not attempt to do so is to to completely fail our purpose for being here.</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/rescue-2008/#comment-7483</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mickey&#039;s referral to robert fisk&#039;s site is a killer.
Easiest to to type robert-fisk.com to get to the site.
Then go from the site.
Don&#039;t give up.

A real killer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mickey&#8217;s referral to robert fisk&#8217;s site is a killer.<br />
Easiest to to type robert-fisk.com to get to the site.<br />
Then go from the site.<br />
Don&#8217;t give up.</p>
<p>A real killer.</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/rescue-2008/#comment-7478</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried everything to get to Mickey&#039;s recommended robert fisk website, but I failed completely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried everything to get to Mickey&#8217;s recommended robert fisk website, but I failed completely.</p>
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