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	<title>Comments on: Police Kill Woman in Phoenix Airport: Gestapo Goons Strike Again</title>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Martius</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/police-kill-woman-in-phoenix-airport-gestapo-goons-strike-again/#comment-7258</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne Martius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regard to the games played by Chris Hanson, these men are being imprisoned for &quot;words spoken&quot;.  No crime has been committed because the people at the other end are adults!  My son is serving 2 years in prison right now for this imaginary crime.  The cop told him he was a cheerleader with many cheerleader friends that wanted to meet him and kept talking until he had all the evidence he wanted to end his bright future.  My son is not a pedophile!  The interenet chatrooms are nothing more than a living and breathing Playboy magazine to these men.  I wouldn&#039;t want this nightmare to touch anyone else!  When are we going to stop this madness?????  The media only tells part of the story and people must see that freedom of speech is slowly slipping out the backdoor.  Wake up!!!!!  Not only do these men have to do their time they also have to try to exist in a country that restricts their every movement for the rest of their lives.  Murderers and thieves don&#039;t even do a life sentence!!!!  And we certainly don&#039;t have a website to look them up so we know where they are living.  Law enforcement is mirroring Hitler&#039;s Gestapo in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to the games played by Chris Hanson, these men are being imprisoned for &#8220;words spoken&#8221;.  No crime has been committed because the people at the other end are adults!  My son is serving 2 years in prison right now for this imaginary crime.  The cop told him he was a cheerleader with many cheerleader friends that wanted to meet him and kept talking until he had all the evidence he wanted to end his bright future.  My son is not a pedophile!  The interenet chatrooms are nothing more than a living and breathing Playboy magazine to these men.  I wouldn&#8217;t want this nightmare to touch anyone else!  When are we going to stop this madness?????  The media only tells part of the story and people must see that freedom of speech is slowly slipping out the backdoor.  Wake up!!!!!  Not only do these men have to do their time they also have to try to exist in a country that restricts their every movement for the rest of their lives.  Murderers and thieves don&#8217;t even do a life sentence!!!!  And we certainly don&#8217;t have a website to look them up so we know where they are living.  Law enforcement is mirroring Hitler&#8217;s Gestapo in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Hatuxka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hatuxka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The episodes of &quot;to catch a predator I&#039;ve seen&quot; invariably show the cops tossing the guy to the ground and piling on top of him, no matter what the sad bastard tries to do to submit, e.g. even when they have gone down on both knees with their hands behind their backs they (4-5 cops) go ahead and bowl them over w/ a forearm shiv and pile on with a knee to the back. Did NBC ever once one fraction question whether this was right as they question the rightness of the predators actions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The episodes of &#8220;to catch a predator I&#8217;ve seen&#8221; invariably show the cops tossing the guy to the ground and piling on top of him, no matter what the sad bastard tries to do to submit, e.g. even when they have gone down on both knees with their hands behind their backs they (4-5 cops) go ahead and bowl them over w/ a forearm shiv and pile on with a knee to the back. Did NBC ever once one fraction question whether this was right as they question the rightness of the predators actions?</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Saive</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/police-kill-woman-in-phoenix-airport-gestapo-goons-strike-again/#comment-7170</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold Saive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This opinion was submitted to the GAINESVILLE SUN based on reports from TV20 (see the YouTube) http://youtube.com/watch?v=BznqjPIIvvM
 
So far they have not printed it and I expect they won&#039;t since it exposes so many to a charge of libel and defamation.
 
Behind the FOP statement is GPD officer and FOP union leader for Alachua County, Jeff McAdams.  McAdams has remained out of public view on the Meyer issue but may have had a hand at word-smithing or &quot;inspiring&quot; the letter that is credited to James Preston.  This is only speculation but should be ruled out.
 
GPD will receive TASERS by the end of October.  City manager, Russ Blackburn and GPD police are fearful that a public cry for a civilian &quot;police review board&quot; will erupt for a 2nd time.  Motive:  What happens at UF is bound to be demanded at GPD.

GPD has vigorously fought civilian oversight in the past.  They obviously have good reason when you listen to the case histories of citizens (mostly black) who have confronted and been intimidated by bad police procedure over many years.
 
There is more video even longer from the WUFT camera.
WUFT Link: 
http://www.wuft.tv/news/index.php?id=175 
 
News item:
http://www.wuft.tv/news/index.php?id=174
 
My channel with even more from local TV is: 
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The painful tasering of a college student guilty of participating in a political forum has uncovered a disturbing cynicism within the ranks of local law enforcement.

Youtube of local News.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BznqjPIIvvM

The State Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) declared Andrew Meyer a &quot;threat to society&quot;.  This astounding statement of judge and jury comes from James Preston, president of the State FOP who ostensibly dictates the opinions of all law enforcement officers whether they are FOP members or not.

Since officer Jeff McAdams is head of the local FOP and has not refuted Preston’s libelous statement of defamation against Meyer we can only assume that McAdams and the Gainesville police actually endorse the State FOP’s condemnation of Andrew Meyer as a “threat to society”.  What little more would it would take for FOP to slander Meyer as a full-fledged terrorist?

It may be no coincidence that the Gainesville police are receiving their first delivery of tasers at the end of October.  Should we expect that GPD will use the taser&#039;s power of pain to prevent an epidemic of students and dissenters likely to become a threat to society?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This opinion was submitted to the GAINESVILLE SUN based on reports from TV20 (see the YouTube) <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=BznqjPIIvvM" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=BznqjPIIvvM</a></p>
<p>So far they have not printed it and I expect they won&#8217;t since it exposes so many to a charge of libel and defamation.</p>
<p>Behind the FOP statement is GPD officer and FOP union leader for Alachua County, Jeff McAdams.  McAdams has remained out of public view on the Meyer issue but may have had a hand at word-smithing or &#8220;inspiring&#8221; the letter that is credited to James Preston.  This is only speculation but should be ruled out.</p>
<p>GPD will receive TASERS by the end of October.  City manager, Russ Blackburn and GPD police are fearful that a public cry for a civilian &#8220;police review board&#8221; will erupt for a 2nd time.  Motive:  What happens at UF is bound to be demanded at GPD.</p>
<p>GPD has vigorously fought civilian oversight in the past.  They obviously have good reason when you listen to the case histories of citizens (mostly black) who have confronted and been intimidated by bad police procedure over many years.</p>
<p>There is more video even longer from the WUFT camera.<br />
WUFT Link:<br />
<a href="http://www.wuft.tv/news/index.php?id=175" rel="nofollow">http://www.wuft.tv/news/index.php?id=175</a> </p>
<p>News item:<br />
<a href="http://www.wuft.tv/news/index.php?id=174" rel="nofollow">http://www.wuft.tv/news/index.php?id=174</a></p>
<p>My channel with even more from local TV is:<br />
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<p>The painful tasering of a college student guilty of participating in a political forum has uncovered a disturbing cynicism within the ranks of local law enforcement.</p>
<p>Youtube of local News.<br />
<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=BznqjPIIvvM" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=BznqjPIIvvM</a></p>
<p>The State Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) declared Andrew Meyer a &#8220;threat to society&#8221;.  This astounding statement of judge and jury comes from James Preston, president of the State FOP who ostensibly dictates the opinions of all law enforcement officers whether they are FOP members or not.</p>
<p>Since officer Jeff McAdams is head of the local FOP and has not refuted Preston’s libelous statement of defamation against Meyer we can only assume that McAdams and the Gainesville police actually endorse the State FOP’s condemnation of Andrew Meyer as a “threat to society”.  What little more would it would take for FOP to slander Meyer as a full-fledged terrorist?</p>
<p>It may be no coincidence that the Gainesville police are receiving their first delivery of tasers at the end of October.  Should we expect that GPD will use the taser&#8217;s power of pain to prevent an epidemic of students and dissenters likely to become a threat to society?.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US has been showing a growing trend towards socialism actually, and if you do the investigation on your own through the masses of information you will find out that that is what Hilary is going to help continue.  bad bad things happen in a socialist society.  its a pity that the US has come to this and is as of yet still the freeist place to live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US has been showing a growing trend towards socialism actually, and if you do the investigation on your own through the masses of information you will find out that that is what Hilary is going to help continue.  bad bad things happen in a socialist society.  its a pity that the US has come to this and is as of yet still the freeist place to live.</p>
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		<title>By: sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what the fuck!! this shit has been happening to minorities in country since forever and now that nice white people are being brutalize maybe people will wake the hell up. It&#039;s the police and their unchecked power that&#039;s the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what the fuck!! this shit has been happening to minorities in country since forever and now that nice white people are being brutalize maybe people will wake the hell up. It&#8217;s the police and their unchecked power that&#8217;s the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Leyla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leyla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the USA beginning to follow in the steps of the Germans before WW2?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the USA beginning to follow in the steps of the Germans before WW2?</p>
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		<title>By: DEB-Z</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/police-kill-woman-in-phoenix-airport-gestapo-goons-strike-again/#comment-7161</link>
		<dc:creator>DEB-Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read stories that this lady was on her way to out of state rehab for an addiction.  The press reported that she was out of control at the airport and they had to call for backup assistance.  It appears she was demanding to get on a flight that was already boarded  and closed to passengers entering. 
The question was if she was on her way to rehab why her family could not be bothered to escort her or have a professional escort her.  Many people act out of control and can be going through withdrawl prior to an admission.  
If this is true; it is better that she be physically restrained outside the plane than perhaps hurt many many people on the plane by being out of control in very tight quarters.
I have worked with clients in various types of rehab and I would rather
rely on medical records on why and where she was going to rehab and what mental state she was under at the time...
Could be she just was out of control.   I have seen it take 6-8 adults to handle one person (even females) that are physically out of control and 
tossing chairs, biting, spitting, pulling out hair, etc...If she was going to rehab I do not blame the airport people who risk back injury, assault, etc. by out of control passangers that have no patience and/or mental health issues, or are just rude. 
For all airports to be safe we must respect rules and regulations or the same people will be screaming if someone gets on the plane with a gun, razor, or bomb.  There are reasons for the new rules and some people just think they are above them all; after all arrogance is getting to be a USA trademark!!!
I say; &quot;Let&#039;s wait until the investigation is in on this one....I have seen people chew and swollow glass, screw bed springs up their penis, bang their heads so hard they split their skin requiring many stitches, and cause many permanent injuries to staff trying to calm down a horriffic tense situation, etc...
So I amnot surprised she could get cuffs around her neck....when people are acting out and out of control there are many very dangerous emergencies that happen to them and people around them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read stories that this lady was on her way to out of state rehab for an addiction.  The press reported that she was out of control at the airport and they had to call for backup assistance.  It appears she was demanding to get on a flight that was already boarded  and closed to passengers entering.<br />
The question was if she was on her way to rehab why her family could not be bothered to escort her or have a professional escort her.  Many people act out of control and can be going through withdrawl prior to an admission.<br />
If this is true; it is better that she be physically restrained outside the plane than perhaps hurt many many people on the plane by being out of control in very tight quarters.<br />
I have worked with clients in various types of rehab and I would rather<br />
rely on medical records on why and where she was going to rehab and what mental state she was under at the time&#8230;<br />
Could be she just was out of control.   I have seen it take 6-8 adults to handle one person (even females) that are physically out of control and<br />
tossing chairs, biting, spitting, pulling out hair, etc&#8230;If she was going to rehab I do not blame the airport people who risk back injury, assault, etc. by out of control passangers that have no patience and/or mental health issues, or are just rude.<br />
For all airports to be safe we must respect rules and regulations or the same people will be screaming if someone gets on the plane with a gun, razor, or bomb.  There are reasons for the new rules and some people just think they are above them all; after all arrogance is getting to be a USA trademark!!!<br />
I say; &#8220;Let&#8217;s wait until the investigation is in on this one&#8230;.I have seen people chew and swollow glass, screw bed springs up their penis, bang their heads so hard they split their skin requiring many stitches, and cause many permanent injuries to staff trying to calm down a horriffic tense situation, etc&#8230;<br />
So I amnot surprised she could get cuffs around her neck&#8230;.when people are acting out and out of control there are many very dangerous emergencies that happen to them and people around them.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddy Nightliker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddy Nightliker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also dismayed by the authoritarian and domination-centered posture that is nurtured, mythologized, and tautologically indoctrinated by our culture, and the memes thereof. All of the incidents mentioned above are deeply troubling on many levels, from ideological to visceral. There is a real problem with this behavior. 

That being said, it behooves us to refrain from rhetoric and inaccuracy when exposing said problem:

Firstly, a Taser cannot have &quot;electrocuted&quot; anyone, since that is defined as death or injury by electricity. While Tasers induce pain, I believe that if they caused sustained injury to the student in Florida (for example), we would have been hearing about it plenty by now. I suspect that Tasers were developed to subdue persons without causing injury. Furthermore, electrocution is typically used to mean &#039;death by electric shock&#039;, so it seems inflammatory here, if not lazy. 

Since this is dated for today, I have to assume the author has seen the video footage of Mrs. Gotbaum struggling while being escorted out of the video frame, and into a second camera frame where she can be seen pushing her legs in front of her as the officers scoot her across the tile floor. It is a harrowing video that leaves me longing to comfort her...as she appears in the vast and emotional devoid corridor, her pain and panic can be heard clearly despite all the efforts of the silent, colorless security footage to matter-of-fact what it has recorded. 

There again, if the author saw the footage, he would have presumably said something similar, rather than implying an unrealistic scenario. I&#039;ll wait for all the digging to get done, as I&#039;m sure the city-kin aren&#039;t going to be so lazy in there investigations. 

If first we practice to deceive
Oh, what a tangled web we weave

If you preach to the choir
Congregation stab you in de back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also dismayed by the authoritarian and domination-centered posture that is nurtured, mythologized, and tautologically indoctrinated by our culture, and the memes thereof. All of the incidents mentioned above are deeply troubling on many levels, from ideological to visceral. There is a real problem with this behavior. </p>
<p>That being said, it behooves us to refrain from rhetoric and inaccuracy when exposing said problem:</p>
<p>Firstly, a Taser cannot have &#8220;electrocuted&#8221; anyone, since that is defined as death or injury by electricity. While Tasers induce pain, I believe that if they caused sustained injury to the student in Florida (for example), we would have been hearing about it plenty by now. I suspect that Tasers were developed to subdue persons without causing injury. Furthermore, electrocution is typically used to mean &#8216;death by electric shock&#8217;, so it seems inflammatory here, if not lazy. </p>
<p>Since this is dated for today, I have to assume the author has seen the video footage of Mrs. Gotbaum struggling while being escorted out of the video frame, and into a second camera frame where she can be seen pushing her legs in front of her as the officers scoot her across the tile floor. It is a harrowing video that leaves me longing to comfort her&#8230;as she appears in the vast and emotional devoid corridor, her pain and panic can be heard clearly despite all the efforts of the silent, colorless security footage to matter-of-fact what it has recorded. </p>
<p>There again, if the author saw the footage, he would have presumably said something similar, rather than implying an unrealistic scenario. I&#8217;ll wait for all the digging to get done, as I&#8217;m sure the city-kin aren&#8217;t going to be so lazy in there investigations. </p>
<p>If first we practice to deceive<br />
Oh, what a tangled web we weave</p>
<p>If you preach to the choir<br />
Congregation stab you in de back</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The host, Chris Hanson, also likely suffers from a sexual disorder where humiliating desperate men helps make him feel better about his own inadequacies.&lt;/i&gt;

Chris Hanson is a whore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The host, Chris Hanson, also likely suffers from a sexual disorder where humiliating desperate men helps make him feel better about his own inadequacies.</i></p>
<p>Chris Hanson is a whore.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I have been outraged for so long now,and am completely digusted beyond relief.For several years now,My personal action is to completely boycott any commercialized Holiday season.Thanksgiving
Christmas,Easter and so on.Cut their Revenue stream and refuse to be Harvested. Sure your women will complain,prostrate themselves.As long as we as americans pay for this IT will continue,and your turn Will come Boycott and Strike
I repeat Strike and boycott.NOW is the time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I have been outraged for so long now,and am completely digusted beyond relief.For several years now,My personal action is to completely boycott any commercialized Holiday season.Thanksgiving<br />
Christmas,Easter and so on.Cut their Revenue stream and refuse to be Harvested. Sure your women will complain,prostrate themselves.As long as we as americans pay for this IT will continue,and your turn Will come Boycott and Strike<br />
I repeat Strike and boycott.NOW is the time</p>
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