I definitely lean to the right. I am glad that the Bush reign is nearly over. All though I can agree that some things accomplished by W has been good, the attack on personal freedoms in trade for security have been abhorrently un-American. The policies enforced here and abroad will only be expanded under HRC. With the great tax increases that will come, this will only give the gov more money to expand global domination features. A vote for HRC is a vote for the Neo-con hierarchy. Loss of personal freedom comes with surrendering them, and it does not matter if a D or a R follows the name of the neo-con.

So Alberto waxed peeyar; ” We can’t be concerned about these politically motivated attacks against us, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN OF AMERCIA.”

Why do you think I said that the Bible said that? You even quoted me

And again, I did not say Jews…I said followers of the Jewish Bible.

I’ve been to Calvinist offshoot churches where the horrific alleged stories were read word for word by the pastor to a smiling and glowing crowd. He never used the word infanticide or even murder, but love they did.

What would you call it? Do you love it?

Now go back and examine your measured love for Palestinian children and ask yourself why you won’t answer my questions.

You could apologize for posting something unsubstantiated; but that would be acting like a responsible, civilized adult….in the interest of peace and social justice.

but you didn’t answer my question.

Hue posted:

“Many followers of the Jewish Bible, love everything their god allegedly commanded his chosen people to do, including calling for mass infanticide.”

Where is it written that Jews LOVE mass infanticide?

“Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” (I Samuel 15:2-3)

Moses says,

“Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” (Numbers 31:16-18)

And I’ve yet to meet a Jew who defends this garbage, Jaime (maybe I don’t get out enough)…It’s usually Catholics and born agains named David

I’m still a bit unsure about Ron Paul, I mean, he is almost too good to be true. Whatever the case, the important thing is that the cat’s out of the bag. Regular mainstream media propaganda doesn’t cut it anymore. Try as you may, you’ll never pass Rudy for a conservative. Beneath the make up, Fred is helpless without a script. Mitt Romney is too removed from reality to answer a question made by a paralyzed guy in a wheelchair, Mormon brain-washing’ll do that to you apparently. Obama’ll bend-over whichever way the wind’s blowin’, and Hillary aka Bush Lite is unable to look even remotely human. There are not that many options left beyond that.

The MSM are getting frisky, if not down-right panicky. Take a look at Maher thrashing the 911-truth movement. Sure, the movement is crawling with undercover “crypto” bloggers and what-have-yous, I mean, for those of us who have been investigating the issue from day 1, it’s always a laugh when somebody ‘suddenly’ gets it and starts being syper-zealous with information several years old. It’s easy to spot the phonies, their information is either bona fide crackpot (i.e. stuff about holograms and magic pods and death rays and UFOs) or its just plain old news. I’d say 90 % of the 911-truth sites are spooks. Wouldn’t you just love a job like that, getting paid to troll the blogs and try and stifle the debate? How much do you think, 25K + full benefits? I bet you didn’t have THAT in mind when you signed up for that big FBI job now, did you?

I don’t care what Maher says: the towers fall like controlled demolition, no amount of calling me (and many others) crazy will change that. We’ll have to see if Paul can address the discrepancy eventually, otherwise, we’ll have to conclude he is part of the Big Con. At this point in the game, it’s time the gloves came off once and for all. Over six years after Sept.11, those who continue to ignore the issue have to be considered part of the system that created it.

I don’t want my kid to grow up in a corporate-fascist world where the only thing allowed is to shop ’till your MasterCard is maxed out. Get to know your neighbour, chances are he is just as fed up with all that as you are. I recommend the clip How to Create an Angry American on YouTube. Does the job all right.

Please elucidate what you consider “racist” or hostile to Palestinians that I may have posted. In this thread or others. I have no interest in hating them, they have enough problems already.

Of course, this could all be in your own head.

I’m not with AIPAC. If you think you can prove that I am, then go to it.

“Many followers of the Jewish Bible, love everything their god allegedly commanded his chosen people to do, including calling for mass infanticide.”

Mass infanticide?

The Bible describes an edict by the Pharaoh of Egypt to slaughter every first born male Jewish child. Out of this came the story of Moses and, of course their liberation from slavery and a mass exodus of some 600,000 Jews who eventually returned to their homelands.

Mass infanticide was again described as the last of a series of plagues inflicted upon Egypt by G-D, which ironically killed all the first born of Egypt, sparing neither people nor domestic animals. The final straw for Pharaoh was the death of his own child.

I’ve never before heard of Jews “loving infanticide.” Unless Hue wants to substantiate this vile accusation, I’m going to call it just another disgusting expression of antisemitism, of which which there is no shortage on this board.

I would also argue his claim (the arrogance aside). I think there are many people who in the least have a relative like for dead babies. Madeline Albright comes to mind with her infamous remarks concerning dead Iraqi children. The Governator once said that he “loved these programs” wile referring to the child benefiting programs he had just cut (he just “loved” other things more)

Many followers of the Jewish Bible, love everything their god allegedly commanded his chosen people to do, including calling for mass infanticide.

And then there’s you, Jaime…I believe it’s possible you are closer to the first two examples, and may not even believe in the Old testament and its stories- which are eerily similar to the modern genocide carried out by the Chosen government.

I say this because I had already given it to you that you may “love”, but watched you parrot it without saying, “as much”

Fascinating stuff about Paul, La Vieux…please continue

“…Nobody likes dead babies, regardless of their genotype, stop stating the obvious lest you be identified as a troll….”

Ah but I must be worse than a troll, for exposing blind hatreds and requesting substantiation of mean-spirited, ridiculous and often racist assertions.

Let’s, for a moment look at the posting that caused me to comment.

“…Palestinians would gladly give up your selective description of the methodology they use to defend themselves were they given Abrams, Caterpillars, F16’s and cluster bombs…”

O.K., some Palestinians have been waging “irregular” warfare against their Jewish neighbors for quite some time now. For instance, some nice folks in Gaza have been staging rocket attacks across the internationally recognized border with Israel; and continue to do so years after the Israelis pulled out of Gaza as part of an effort to make peace. I suppose this move was interpreted as a sign of weakness, and the management of Gaza, presumably The Hamas, who have lots and lots and LOTS of weapons are convinced that these rocket attacks will cause the Israelis to leave. That hasn’t happened. The Israelis are fighting back. Like any other country would do to defend its people.

So are countries allowed to defend themselves from attack? Or maybe all countries with the exception of Israel. Which, of course, is the only logical interpretation of Hue’s posting. Hue said what he did not just for you, but for me as well. If criticizing terroristic violence and demanding clarification of apparent racism makes me a Troll, then I’m good with with that.

Ms Saggia nicely sums it up in this fine piece. It’s time we call a spade a spade an stop pussyfooting around the fact that both parties cater to the exact same interests. Red or Blue, it’s always along globalist lines and befitting the Free Trade BS agenda.

Now, we know the blogosphere’s up to all that. Isn’t it time for the truth to spill out into the mainstream? How long can DailyKos keep up it’s ice-thin cred without eventually wisening up to it? Is there any cred left to be lost?

What if each current supporter of say, Gravel or Paul, simply sat one of their neighbors in front of the monitor and played a few clips for ‘em, how long before the fan base doubles? How long before it doubles again after that?

It’s exponential people. Just prove dear ol’ Nancy wrong and go ahead and DO IT. You can watch Julie-Annie squirm on the campaign trail as a treat, or have a good hearty laugh at Hillaroid looking increasingly ‘concerned’ on YouTube. Laughing is good for the immune system. Myself, I like the clip with Condi with the heckler while she is lygin to the 911 Commission, a classic.

Go ahead, have a good laugh at the rats running for cover. Once you’re all calmed down and focused, get the broom and pull up yer skleeves ‘cos there’s a lot of cleanin’ to do.

So it would please you if the number of dead Jews due to violent attacks was higher?

“…while his cronies grew rich on the misery of his people;…” Wow, are you showing love and empathy for Palestinians? This is truly a great development in your frustrated writings. Can you say that you love Palestinian children as much as you do Israeli children?

“…In other words, the Israelis would agree to end the occupation only after the Palestinians ended their resistance to the occupation. Arafat, of course, refused and was blamed for sinking the summit….”

No not really. Arafat turned down all of the West Bank, Gaza and a sizable chunk of Jerusalem by insisting that Palestinian expatriates and their descendants have the right of return to Israel proper. That was the deal breaker right there. Also, Arafat and his regime was supposed to make some attempt at developing actual sovereignty for the Palestinian people, and consolidate the 26 or so armed militia groups under one authority. He never did that either. Nor did he arrange to curtail PA sanctioned incitement against Israel. If anything, that became the sole and major international export of his regime, while his cronies grew rich on the misery of his people; many of whom continue to languish in poor circumstances.

Then Arafat unleashed his 2nd intifada. And made matters worse for everyone.

The article above makes no mention of the circumstances that brought about the necessity of Israel’s separation wall to protect its population from ongoing random attack by suicide/homicide terrorists.

Ideologically driven suicide terror attacks were and to some extent still are a weapon of choice for Palestinian nationalists who apparently felt that the Israelis would violently succumb to attacks upon their civilians and that this was a better option than negotiating a peaceful series of settlements concerning borders, water, refugee, and so on.

The wall didn’t suddenly appear out of nowhere. As much as they would like to blame the Jews..The Palestinians effectively built it themselves.

I never said anything about oil companies, or oilmen, being a motive for the Iraq war. Oil is a strategic commodity – control 10-40% of the world’s oil supply, and you can rule the world, push other countries around, etc. That’s what it’s about. Not Exxon.