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		<title>By: dan elliott</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/closing-ranks-against-the-us-militarism/#comment-8173</link>
		<dc:creator>dan elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again, Rosemary!</description>
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		<title>By: dan elliott</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/closing-ranks-against-the-us-militarism/#comment-8172</link>
		<dc:creator>dan elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>----- Original Message ----- 
From: Stephen Pearcy 
To: cuibono 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: Military Families


This is a fantastic analysis and is certainly worthy of being expanded upon and broadly disseminated.  Using the term &quot;military families&quot; without shame when referencing one&#039;s own status is a bit weird and inconsistent if the real goal is to be critical of the military action about which the &quot;military family&quot; member is complaining.  

E.g., Laurie Loving, etc.  
-----Original Message-----
From: cuibono [mailto:res.181@rcip.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:57 PM
To: Stephen Pearcy
Cc: cuibono
Subject: Military Families


Military Families -- what an obscene phrase. Let&#039;s deconstruct it, see what meaning(s) it contains? 

What would justify describing a human family as a &quot;Military&quot; one? Well, to me it suggests that first an Ancestor, probably a recent same, found &quot;service&quot; in the US armed forces to be rewarding, so rewarding that he/she encouraged his/her progeny to follow in her/his footsteps, hup two three, join up too. And this likely was repeated in succeeding generations, expanded to siblings, to nieces/nephews/cousins &amp; or grand- same, to various degrees of consanguinity? 

So that Military Service becomes established as this group of relatives&#039; principal Mode of Survival? In other words, this bunch have allowed or caused themselves to become Professional Murderers, dependent for their Livelihood &amp; Pursuit of Happiness on the misery &amp; exploitation of others. 

It doesn&#039;t stop there: these folks have convinced themselves, &amp; want the rest of us to believe, to accept, that such behavior is Normal. 

So now we have these weirdos coming out to &quot;antiwar&quot; events, posing as &quot;just peaceniks like everybody else&quot;. 

Apparently some of these individuals have noted that the war in Iraq, besides being based on a pack of bs, is not going too well for the US side. So it seems some of them have enough sense to be disturbed by the thought that their son/brother/hubby/wife/daughter etc might encounter an IED &amp; either not come home in one piece or maybe not at all. So this gives them a powerful motivation to take a public stance in opposition to this particular war at this time. But they still consider service in the US military to be an honorable and sensible Career Choice, one a young person might want to postpone to a later time, but certainly an option to consider once the &quot;Troops&quot; are &quot;out&quot;. 

Okay, break over, back to &quot;rehearsing&quot;:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;&#8211; Original Message &#8212;&#8211;<br />
From: Stephen Pearcy<br />
To: cuibono<br />
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:01 PM<br />
Subject: RE: Military Families</p>
<p>This is a fantastic analysis and is certainly worthy of being expanded upon and broadly disseminated.  Using the term &#8220;military families&#8221; without shame when referencing one&#8217;s own status is a bit weird and inconsistent if the real goal is to be critical of the military action about which the &#8220;military family&#8221; member is complaining.  </p>
<p>E.g., Laurie Loving, etc.<br />
&#8212;&#8211;Original Message&#8212;&#8211;<br />
From: cuibono [mailto:&#x72;&#x65;&#x73;&#x2e;&#x31;&#x38;&#x31;&#x40;&#x72;&#x63;&#x69;&#x70;&#x2e;&#x63;om]<br />
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:57 PM<br />
To: Stephen Pearcy<br />
Cc: cuibono<br />
Subject: Military Families</p>
<p>Military Families &#8212; what an obscene phrase. Let&#8217;s deconstruct it, see what meaning(s) it contains? </p>
<p>What would justify describing a human family as a &#8220;Military&#8221; one? Well, to me it suggests that first an Ancestor, probably a recent same, found &#8220;service&#8221; in the US armed forces to be rewarding, so rewarding that he/she encouraged his/her progeny to follow in her/his footsteps, hup two three, join up too. And this likely was repeated in succeeding generations, expanded to siblings, to nieces/nephews/cousins &amp; or grand- same, to various degrees of consanguinity? </p>
<p>So that Military Service becomes established as this group of relatives&#8217; principal Mode of Survival? In other words, this bunch have allowed or caused themselves to become Professional Murderers, dependent for their Livelihood &amp; Pursuit of Happiness on the misery &amp; exploitation of others. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t stop there: these folks have convinced themselves, &amp; want the rest of us to believe, to accept, that such behavior is Normal. </p>
<p>So now we have these weirdos coming out to &#8220;antiwar&#8221; events, posing as &#8220;just peaceniks like everybody else&#8221;. </p>
<p>Apparently some of these individuals have noted that the war in Iraq, besides being based on a pack of bs, is not going too well for the US side. So it seems some of them have enough sense to be disturbed by the thought that their son/brother/hubby/wife/daughter etc might encounter an IED &amp; either not come home in one piece or maybe not at all. So this gives them a powerful motivation to take a public stance in opposition to this particular war at this time. But they still consider service in the US military to be an honorable and sensible Career Choice, one a young person might want to postpone to a later time, but certainly an option to consider once the &#8220;Troops&#8221; are &#8220;out&#8221;. </p>
<p>Okay, break over, back to &#8220;rehearsing&#8221;:)</p>
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		<title>By: dan elliott</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/closing-ranks-against-the-us-militarism/#comment-8167</link>
		<dc:creator>dan elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thursday at an &quot;antiwar&quot; event at Sac State my booktable found itself next to one manned by &quot;Military Families Against The War&quot;, an outfit myself and Steve Pearcy have a little history with? So yesterday I got to musing a little:
-----Original Message-----
From: cuibono [mailto:res.181@rcip.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:57 PM
To: Stephen Pearcy
Cc: cuibono
Subject: &quot;Military Families&quot;:

&quot;Military Families&quot; -- what an obscene phrase. Let&#039;s deconstruct it, see what meaning(s) it contains? 
 
What would justify describing a human family as a &quot;Military&quot; one? Well, to me it suggests that first an Ancestor, probably a recent same, found &quot;service&quot; in the US armed forces to be rewarding, so rewarding that he/she encouraged his/her progeny to follow in her/his footsteps, hup two three, join up too. And this likely was repeated in succeeding generations, expanded to siblings, to nieces/nephews/cousins &amp; or grand- same, to various degrees of consanguinity? 
 
So that Military Service becomes established as this group of relatives&#039; principal Mode of Survival? In other words, this bunch have allowed or caused themselves to become Professional Murderers, dependent for their Livelihood &amp; Pursuit of Happiness on the misery &amp; exploitation of others. 
 
It doesn&#039;t stop there: these folks have convinced themselves, &amp; want the rest of us to believe, to accept, that such behavior is Normal. 
 
So now we have these weirdos coming out to &quot;antiwar&quot; events, posing as &quot;just peaceniks like everybody else&quot;. 
 
Apparently some of these individuals have noted that the war in Iraq, besides being based on a pack of bs, is not going too well for the US side. So it seems some of them have enough sense to be disturbed by the thought that their son/brother/hubby/wife/daughter etc might encounter an IED &amp; either not come home in one piece or maybe not at all. So this gives them a powerful motivation to take a public stance in opposition to this particular war at this time. But they still consider service in the US military to be an honorable and sensible Career Choice, one a young person might want to postpone to a later time, but certainly an option to consider once the &quot;Troops&quot; are &quot;out&quot;. ///

To which Steve emailed back:

This is a fantastic analysis and is certainly worthy of being expanded upon and broadly disseminated.  Using the term &quot;military families&quot; without shame when referencing one&#039;s own status is a bit weird and inconsistent if the real goal is to be critical of the military action about which the &quot;military family&quot; member is complaining.  ///

Thanks again, Rosemary:) 

Dan Elliott, Sacramento</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thursday at an &#8220;antiwar&#8221; event at Sac State my booktable found itself next to one manned by &#8220;Military Families Against The War&#8221;, an outfit myself and Steve Pearcy have a little history with? So yesterday I got to musing a little:<br />
&#8212;&#8211;Original Message&#8212;&#8211;<br />
From: cuibono [mailto:&#x72;&#x65;&#x73;&#x2e;&#x31;&#x38;&#x31;&#x40;&#x72;&#x63;&#x69;&#x70;&#x2e;&#x63;om]<br />
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:57 PM<br />
To: Stephen Pearcy<br />
Cc: cuibono<br />
Subject: &#8220;Military Families&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;Military Families&#8221; &#8212; what an obscene phrase. Let&#8217;s deconstruct it, see what meaning(s) it contains? </p>
<p>What would justify describing a human family as a &#8220;Military&#8221; one? Well, to me it suggests that first an Ancestor, probably a recent same, found &#8220;service&#8221; in the US armed forces to be rewarding, so rewarding that he/she encouraged his/her progeny to follow in her/his footsteps, hup two three, join up too. And this likely was repeated in succeeding generations, expanded to siblings, to nieces/nephews/cousins &amp; or grand- same, to various degrees of consanguinity? </p>
<p>So that Military Service becomes established as this group of relatives&#8217; principal Mode of Survival? In other words, this bunch have allowed or caused themselves to become Professional Murderers, dependent for their Livelihood &amp; Pursuit of Happiness on the misery &amp; exploitation of others. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t stop there: these folks have convinced themselves, &amp; want the rest of us to believe, to accept, that such behavior is Normal. </p>
<p>So now we have these weirdos coming out to &#8220;antiwar&#8221; events, posing as &#8220;just peaceniks like everybody else&#8221;. </p>
<p>Apparently some of these individuals have noted that the war in Iraq, besides being based on a pack of bs, is not going too well for the US side. So it seems some of them have enough sense to be disturbed by the thought that their son/brother/hubby/wife/daughter etc might encounter an IED &amp; either not come home in one piece or maybe not at all. So this gives them a powerful motivation to take a public stance in opposition to this particular war at this time. But they still consider service in the US military to be an honorable and sensible Career Choice, one a young person might want to postpone to a later time, but certainly an option to consider once the &#8220;Troops&#8221; are &#8220;out&#8221;. ///</p>
<p>To which Steve emailed back:</p>
<p>This is a fantastic analysis and is certainly worthy of being expanded upon and broadly disseminated.  Using the term &#8220;military families&#8221; without shame when referencing one&#8217;s own status is a bit weird and inconsistent if the real goal is to be critical of the military action about which the &#8220;military family&#8221; member is complaining.  ///</p>
<p>Thanks again, Rosemary:) </p>
<p>Dan Elliott, Sacramento</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/closing-ranks-against-the-us-militarism/#comment-8160</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe...Thanks for the comment. I agree that &quot;empire&quot; is a symptom of  the lack of humanity.
gerald...Blackwater - another symptom of the lack of humanity. It would help if we, all of us, stopped the hero-worshiping of the troops, all of the troops.  Being opposed to war, means being opposed to all segments of the war machine - not only the guns but also those who fire the guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe&#8230;Thanks for the comment. I agree that &#8220;empire&#8221; is a symptom of  the lack of humanity.<br />
gerald&#8230;Blackwater &#8211; another symptom of the lack of humanity. It would help if we, all of us, stopped the hero-worshiping of the troops, all of the troops.  Being opposed to war, means being opposed to all segments of the war machine &#8211; not only the guns but also those who fire the guns.</p>
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		<title>By: gerald spezio</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/closing-ranks-against-the-us-militarism/#comment-8150</link>
		<dc:creator>gerald spezio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Ecuadorns get to open a military base in Miami, will they get to mount most of the local ladies? 
Do the Ecuadorans have female troopers, and what access to the locals for them?
Any gay troops. What access for their biological needs?
It looks like we will have to have some creative lawyering!
It has to be legal.
Lawyers? Have we got lawyers!
Hillary, Bill, Joe Lieberman, Joe Biden, Puddy Guiliani, Romney, Obama, Thompsom ...

Or will there be no law NOT covering such behavior, as in Blackwater mercenaries doing mercenary and necessary murder in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Ecuadorns get to open a military base in Miami, will they get to mount most of the local ladies?<br />
Do the Ecuadorans have female troopers, and what access to the locals for them?<br />
Any gay troops. What access for their biological needs?<br />
It looks like we will have to have some creative lawyering!<br />
It has to be legal.<br />
Lawyers? Have we got lawyers!<br />
Hillary, Bill, Joe Lieberman, Joe Biden, Puddy Guiliani, Romney, Obama, Thompsom &#8230;</p>
<p>Or will there be no law NOT covering such behavior, as in Blackwater mercenaries doing mercenary and necessary murder in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/closing-ranks-against-the-us-militarism/#comment-8145</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The populary used word &#039;empire&#039; is really barbaric brutality by an uncivilized government enabled by hugely unaware citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The populary used word &#8216;empire&#8217; is really barbaric brutality by an uncivilized government enabled by hugely unaware citizens.</p>
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