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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Amerika Über Alles&#8221; &#8212; Our Nazi Nation</title>
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		<title>By: ART ROCCO</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/amerika-uber-alles-our-nazi-nation/#comment-20619</link>
		<dc:creator>ART ROCCO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are three books that all Americans should read. How a Patriot Acts, The End of America and The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich. These three books will clearly show our march toward Fascism. This along with Bush&#039;s family support of the Nazi&#039;s during the rise of the Reich in the 30&#039;s should convince any intelligent person what the Neocons are up to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are three books that all Americans should read. How a Patriot Acts, The End of America and The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich. These three books will clearly show our march toward Fascism. This along with Bush&#8217;s family support of the Nazi&#8217;s during the rise of the Reich in the 30&#8217;s should convince any intelligent person what the Neocons are up to.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/amerika-uber-alles-our-nazi-nation/#comment-10505</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can America not become a Nazi state considering the fact that they stole from the Nazis everything? Let&#039;s consider the following stolen aspects ....all perfected by the Nazis ....all taken by the Americans to be used: 

1) Television shows that mess up people&#039;s brains such as documentaries, soapoperas, the news, etc. 
2) The rocket. This technology helped America go into space. The Nazi&#039;s were the first to built a jet plane late in the war. Americans stole this technology and applied it to their air force.
3) Nuclear technology. From nuclear bombs to nuclear reactors this technology is used by many countries in the world.
4) UFO&#039;s. Based on implosive particle reactions the germans were able to built the first UFOs. The americans took this technology and perfected it so that now we have such things as &quot;unidentified superior aircraft&quot; all over Earth&#039;s sky - spying and giving birth to the idea of aliens. 
5) Genocide and genetics. America has succesfully maintained and improved the AIDS virus in order to keep in check an overpopulated Africa and Asia. It is the best way in killing people since it takes time and the effects are not imediate (compared to the mass and quick killings undertook by the nazis); while also maintaining a delicate balance between resources and humans - no one can be blamed for this other than the individuals infected with the disease, because the effects are prolongued.
6) Concept of empire. While the British and French empires collapsed - giving way to chaos and instability - civil wars, social degradation brought by the soviet regime, loss of priviledges of countries seen as dominion - , the Americans became  imperialists. If you are not with and for the USA you are an enemy. Sounds familiar? But as bad as this concept seems it is acctually a posite thing for our world today when maniancs rule rogue nations. Imperialisric America is hope for peace and for humanity. 
7) Enslavement and brainwashing of ones own people. The Nazis were masters at this because the used all available means - media, educational system, political and economic systems etc. The americans, though a supposedly democratic nation, saw that in a world where democracy is dead or dying since none of europes countries are true democracies.....lets not speak of those in asia, latin america and africa; realized that in order to survive they have to adapt. This is why since 1947 America is slowlly beginning a transformation to totalitarianism. The brainwashing of people is evident in every aspect of life in America from patriotism to consumerism to militarism to violent movies to violent music  - and to the system of dual governments who cannot make a decision since they are so divided that no hope exists to deal with social problems.
8) racism. through it existed in america from way before, the nazi&#039;s doctrine and ideals added gasoline on to the white supremacists of america&#039;s fire. this is why no one cares about african americans, about their economic, educational, social and weelbeing condition. black people are segregated into ghettos aroud varios parts of most american cities where they are left alone to kill themselves. the american people are appaulled only when a black person commits a crime against a white person. racism in its purest form.  

many more to come.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can America not become a Nazi state considering the fact that they stole from the Nazis everything? Let&#8217;s consider the following stolen aspects &#8230;.all perfected by the Nazis &#8230;.all taken by the Americans to be used: </p>
<p>1) Television shows that mess up people&#8217;s brains such as documentaries, soapoperas, the news, etc.<br />
2) The rocket. This technology helped America go into space. The Nazi&#8217;s were the first to built a jet plane late in the war. Americans stole this technology and applied it to their air force.<br />
3) Nuclear technology. From nuclear bombs to nuclear reactors this technology is used by many countries in the world.<br />
4) UFO&#8217;s. Based on implosive particle reactions the germans were able to built the first UFOs. The americans took this technology and perfected it so that now we have such things as &#8220;unidentified superior aircraft&#8221; all over Earth&#8217;s sky &#8211; spying and giving birth to the idea of aliens.<br />
5) Genocide and genetics. America has succesfully maintained and improved the AIDS virus in order to keep in check an overpopulated Africa and Asia. It is the best way in killing people since it takes time and the effects are not imediate (compared to the mass and quick killings undertook by the nazis); while also maintaining a delicate balance between resources and humans &#8211; no one can be blamed for this other than the individuals infected with the disease, because the effects are prolongued.<br />
6) Concept of empire. While the British and French empires collapsed &#8211; giving way to chaos and instability &#8211; civil wars, social degradation brought by the soviet regime, loss of priviledges of countries seen as dominion &#8211; , the Americans became  imperialists. If you are not with and for the USA you are an enemy. Sounds familiar? But as bad as this concept seems it is acctually a posite thing for our world today when maniancs rule rogue nations. Imperialisric America is hope for peace and for humanity.<br />
7) Enslavement and brainwashing of ones own people. The Nazis were masters at this because the used all available means &#8211; media, educational system, political and economic systems etc. The americans, though a supposedly democratic nation, saw that in a world where democracy is dead or dying since none of europes countries are true democracies&#8230;..lets not speak of those in asia, latin america and africa; realized that in order to survive they have to adapt. This is why since 1947 America is slowlly beginning a transformation to totalitarianism. The brainwashing of people is evident in every aspect of life in America from patriotism to consumerism to militarism to violent movies to violent music  &#8211; and to the system of dual governments who cannot make a decision since they are so divided that no hope exists to deal with social problems.<br />
8) racism. through it existed in america from way before, the nazi&#8217;s doctrine and ideals added gasoline on to the white supremacists of america&#8217;s fire. this is why no one cares about african americans, about their economic, educational, social and weelbeing condition. black people are segregated into ghettos aroud varios parts of most american cities where they are left alone to kill themselves. the american people are appaulled only when a black person commits a crime against a white person. racism in its purest form.  </p>
<p>many more to come&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: greybeard</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/amerika-uber-alles-our-nazi-nation/#comment-7091</link>
		<dc:creator>greybeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, point #1: You might check out David Griffin&#039;s work, supported by others, &quot;Debunking 9/11 Debunking.&quot;   The official story is Swiss Cheese.
#2) Check out the written documents written for Netanyahu and subsequently re-written for the Bush administration, advocating wars to establish unassailable American-Israeli hegemony in the Middle East long before 9/11, and #3) &quot;at least we have better intentions for the Iraqi peoples than mass genocide and oppression..” sounds like part of the American myth we have been fed like Pablum for at least a hundred years.  It&#039;s time to ask if the myths correspond to reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, point #1: You might check out David Griffin&#8217;s work, supported by others, &#8220;Debunking 9/11 Debunking.&#8221;   The official story is Swiss Cheese.<br />
#2) Check out the written documents written for Netanyahu and subsequently re-written for the Bush administration, advocating wars to establish unassailable American-Israeli hegemony in the Middle East long before 9/11, and #3) &#8220;at least we have better intentions for the Iraqi peoples than mass genocide and oppression..” sounds like part of the American myth we have been fed like Pablum for at least a hundred years.  It&#8217;s time to ask if the myths correspond to reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Everett</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/amerika-uber-alles-our-nazi-nation/#comment-7073</link>
		<dc:creator>Everett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 07:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear moderator, this is an honest question, I have the feeling now that you think I&#039;m being sarcastic, no! All that Capt pointed out can be proofed fm many other sources. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear moderator, this is an honest question, I have the feeling now that you think I&#8217;m being sarcastic, no! All that Capt pointed out can be proofed fm many other sources. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Everett</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/amerika-uber-alles-our-nazi-nation/#comment-7068</link>
		<dc:creator>Everett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain, are you related to the famous writer DR Karl May?
I already heard my older buddy talked about an epic of those stories when I was 7 at the far remote village of Asia. It&#039;s a surprise after decades to find that there&#039;s one who has  the same last name with DR K May.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain, are you related to the famous writer DR Karl May?<br />
I already heard my older buddy talked about an epic of those stories when I was 7 at the far remote village of Asia. It&#8217;s a surprise after decades to find that there&#8217;s one who has  the same last name with DR K May.</p>
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		<title>By: Vitor</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/amerika-uber-alles-our-nazi-nation/#comment-7029</link>
		<dc:creator>Vitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting Greg: &quot;Many people get this idea that America is becoming a Nazi-like state and I do agree in most ways. However I believe that some of these things must be done, for say the war in Iraq. We may have entered the war fists flying in every direction, but at least we have better intentions for the Iraqi peoples than mass genocide and oppression..&quot;

700.000 iraquis had die so far...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting Greg: &#8220;Many people get this idea that America is becoming a Nazi-like state and I do agree in most ways. However I believe that some of these things must be done, for say the war in Iraq. We may have entered the war fists flying in every direction, but at least we have better intentions for the Iraqi peoples than mass genocide and oppression..&#8221;</p>
<p>700.000 iraquis had die so far&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hp</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/amerika-uber-alles-our-nazi-nation/#comment-6996</link>
		<dc:creator>hp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerald is right, these guys are just warming up.</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/amerika-uber-alles-our-nazi-nation/#comment-6941</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

Anyone who invades our nation deserves complete destruction. Blood for Blood. Death for Death. But have we caught Osama Bin Laden? 

It took us less than four years to defeat the biggest threats to the world, the most substantial threats in human history during World War II and we cannot find one guy in a cave after six years? Give me a break. 

You see, there is a thing in international law called &quot;reciprocity&quot; it is quite different from the idea of pre-emptive non-congressional approved war. 

War without an act of congress- even in special session- the action is not a war at all, it is &quot;limited&quot; conflict or whatever what you want to call it, in fact, it is illegal and does not follow international law. A rubber stamp congress paid off by multinational corporate terrorists excepted. 

Read the book the Great Chessboard before you get the idea that this war and the changes in our country have not been in the making for a long, long time. 9-11 was an appropriate pre-text to allow an anything goes attitude; and one must ask, how does a nation who has consistently spent more on war and intelligence than the next combined 15 nations not have the foresight and intelligence to see something like 9-11 coming. 

Read the project for the New American Century documents, they lay it out in stark terms &quot;Unless America has another pearl harbor...&quot; we will never regain our national honor. 

All this is useless of course, without a manufacturing base and solidity in the economic system- and, there are two ways and only two to counteract a downturn in economics, 1. is ala FDR&#039;s social programs for national and domestic development and 2. is ala Hitler&#039;s unrelenting warfare.  

Which do we have? And, which kind of America do you want, one modeled on FDR&#039;s ideas or one modeled on the greed of the few at the expense of the common man and the many?  

It is not a question of patriotism; it is a question between freedom and slavery. Which would you prefer? 

For me the question was answered most perfectly by James Otis in 1775, and Patrick Henry answered the question just as well when he said &quot;Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God. I know not course what others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty or give me death.&quot;  

And I answer with Washington, Jefferson, Garibaldi, Bolivar, O&#039;Higgins and Lincoln that there is a lighthouse of human freedom and human dignity that hegemony, slavery and colonialism have no part or share in; that all men are created equal, that all are endowed with inalienable rights, that the enlightenment ideals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are important and worth protecting and dying for.  Maybe Bush and his cronies and their hegemonic wars can dim that lighthouse, but they will never eradicate it- as long as Americans and others believe that freedom is worth having, there is nothing that anyone can take away from them that they do not willingly give.  

These ideas transcend time or space and 9-11 does not alter them one iota. When the White House was burned down by the invading British in 1813 did we institute a system of National Surveillance?  Of course not, we attacked them- well not this time, you could say, the enemy is more diffuse, but I would argue that if you are looking for the real cause of these problems you need look no further than your own bathroom mirror. 

Patriotism means resisting the evil for the sake of the good of your nation, it does not mean turning over your rational faculties to someone else like a Hitler, God Emperor or Mussolini. It does not mean being so caught up in the desire for war that you forget the real need for war is to bring peace. A friend of mine once told me an &quot;oncologist does not ignore a tumor or pretend it is not there, he also does not presume to know how to cure every cancer, and a good oncologist, will remove the tumor without killing the patient.&quot; This seems a pretty good analogy, war is only used as a means to bring just peace in defense of one&#039;s homeland, but &quot;just peace&quot; is a misused term unless we agree that it follows the standard of international laws and norms.   

Whether you live under a democratic state or a socialist-democratic state makes little difference as long as freedom and the dignity of the human person and their rights under their own constitution are protected. Consider for example three points: 

First, under a system of totalism, under a system of fascism, under a system of economic corporatism these ideals are not protected and human beings go from being liberated to being slaves. In fact such debt or real slavery precludes human freedom. 

Second, anyone who violates the inalienable laws violates the natural laws of the Constitution.  So being a red, white a blue patriot which do you protect, liberty or security? You can do both in a non-aggressive and deterrent way without attacking central Asian countries for their resources. 

Third, if you choose security or a false sense of it, then you deserve neither liberty nor security because you will always be terrorized by real or imagined enemies and you will always live in fear through intimidation because you have given your dignity over to others. 

This is how the classical world and the world of the enlightenment thought of and saw slavery.  This is how they imagined Persia was and British Yoke would be, and they did not respectfully disagree- they resisted. This is why despite the Nazi blitz across Europe, when they reached Russia they found a nation that would not submit, but resisted.  

You see, Roosevelt&#039;s goal after World War II was to end once and for all colonialism and imperialism in all of its forms so that hegemony would no longer occur between nations, he did not want a conflict with Communism in Russia, but he died too soon for his goals to be realized, and since him, we have been marching in the wrong direction toward an untenable hegemony that can only be controlled by force, often unbridled, and by controlling others against their free will. 

But I assure you this dream Roosevelt had, this dream that is only whispered for fear that the Department of Homeland Security might catch on to it, will be realized whether we want it to be or not.  It is simply impossible for 1/5 of the world’s population to control 4/5 if they no longer choose to be controlled. 

So, I ask again, what kind of America do you want? 

If you want American fascism, or friendly &quot;corporate fascism&quot; you can count me out, and better send your jack-booted buddies to get me and Captain May and throw us in jail now, if they can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>Anyone who invades our nation deserves complete destruction. Blood for Blood. Death for Death. But have we caught Osama Bin Laden? </p>
<p>It took us less than four years to defeat the biggest threats to the world, the most substantial threats in human history during World War II and we cannot find one guy in a cave after six years? Give me a break. </p>
<p>You see, there is a thing in international law called &#8220;reciprocity&#8221; it is quite different from the idea of pre-emptive non-congressional approved war. </p>
<p>War without an act of congress- even in special session- the action is not a war at all, it is &#8220;limited&#8221; conflict or whatever what you want to call it, in fact, it is illegal and does not follow international law. A rubber stamp congress paid off by multinational corporate terrorists excepted. </p>
<p>Read the book the Great Chessboard before you get the idea that this war and the changes in our country have not been in the making for a long, long time. 9-11 was an appropriate pre-text to allow an anything goes attitude; and one must ask, how does a nation who has consistently spent more on war and intelligence than the next combined 15 nations not have the foresight and intelligence to see something like 9-11 coming. </p>
<p>Read the project for the New American Century documents, they lay it out in stark terms &#8220;Unless America has another pearl harbor&#8230;&#8221; we will never regain our national honor. </p>
<p>All this is useless of course, without a manufacturing base and solidity in the economic system- and, there are two ways and only two to counteract a downturn in economics, 1. is ala FDR&#8217;s social programs for national and domestic development and 2. is ala Hitler&#8217;s unrelenting warfare.  </p>
<p>Which do we have? And, which kind of America do you want, one modeled on FDR&#8217;s ideas or one modeled on the greed of the few at the expense of the common man and the many?  </p>
<p>It is not a question of patriotism; it is a question between freedom and slavery. Which would you prefer? </p>
<p>For me the question was answered most perfectly by James Otis in 1775, and Patrick Henry answered the question just as well when he said &#8220;Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God. I know not course what others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty or give me death.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And I answer with Washington, Jefferson, Garibaldi, Bolivar, O&#8217;Higgins and Lincoln that there is a lighthouse of human freedom and human dignity that hegemony, slavery and colonialism have no part or share in; that all men are created equal, that all are endowed with inalienable rights, that the enlightenment ideals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are important and worth protecting and dying for.  Maybe Bush and his cronies and their hegemonic wars can dim that lighthouse, but they will never eradicate it- as long as Americans and others believe that freedom is worth having, there is nothing that anyone can take away from them that they do not willingly give.  </p>
<p>These ideas transcend time or space and 9-11 does not alter them one iota. When the White House was burned down by the invading British in 1813 did we institute a system of National Surveillance?  Of course not, we attacked them- well not this time, you could say, the enemy is more diffuse, but I would argue that if you are looking for the real cause of these problems you need look no further than your own bathroom mirror. </p>
<p>Patriotism means resisting the evil for the sake of the good of your nation, it does not mean turning over your rational faculties to someone else like a Hitler, God Emperor or Mussolini. It does not mean being so caught up in the desire for war that you forget the real need for war is to bring peace. A friend of mine once told me an &#8220;oncologist does not ignore a tumor or pretend it is not there, he also does not presume to know how to cure every cancer, and a good oncologist, will remove the tumor without killing the patient.&#8221; This seems a pretty good analogy, war is only used as a means to bring just peace in defense of one&#8217;s homeland, but &#8220;just peace&#8221; is a misused term unless we agree that it follows the standard of international laws and norms.   </p>
<p>Whether you live under a democratic state or a socialist-democratic state makes little difference as long as freedom and the dignity of the human person and their rights under their own constitution are protected. Consider for example three points: </p>
<p>First, under a system of totalism, under a system of fascism, under a system of economic corporatism these ideals are not protected and human beings go from being liberated to being slaves. In fact such debt or real slavery precludes human freedom. </p>
<p>Second, anyone who violates the inalienable laws violates the natural laws of the Constitution.  So being a red, white a blue patriot which do you protect, liberty or security? You can do both in a non-aggressive and deterrent way without attacking central Asian countries for their resources. </p>
<p>Third, if you choose security or a false sense of it, then you deserve neither liberty nor security because you will always be terrorized by real or imagined enemies and you will always live in fear through intimidation because you have given your dignity over to others. </p>
<p>This is how the classical world and the world of the enlightenment thought of and saw slavery.  This is how they imagined Persia was and British Yoke would be, and they did not respectfully disagree- they resisted. This is why despite the Nazi blitz across Europe, when they reached Russia they found a nation that would not submit, but resisted.  </p>
<p>You see, Roosevelt&#8217;s goal after World War II was to end once and for all colonialism and imperialism in all of its forms so that hegemony would no longer occur between nations, he did not want a conflict with Communism in Russia, but he died too soon for his goals to be realized, and since him, we have been marching in the wrong direction toward an untenable hegemony that can only be controlled by force, often unbridled, and by controlling others against their free will. </p>
<p>But I assure you this dream Roosevelt had, this dream that is only whispered for fear that the Department of Homeland Security might catch on to it, will be realized whether we want it to be or not.  It is simply impossible for 1/5 of the world’s population to control 4/5 if they no longer choose to be controlled. </p>
<p>So, I ask again, what kind of America do you want? </p>
<p>If you want American fascism, or friendly &#8220;corporate fascism&#8221; you can count me out, and better send your jack-booted buddies to get me and Captain May and throw us in jail now, if they can.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff abrahamse</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/amerika-uber-alles-our-nazi-nation/#comment-6889</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff abrahamse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 06:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg-the war in Iraq was only necessary to secure oil  to fuel the empire and to spread yet more military bases around the world to  better project American power-  this is the project for the new American century ( WMDs  were  the first false reason for this war- saving the Iraqi people was a later excuse so it was not the original intention- besides the Iraqi people could have been spared  much of there suffering if  previous American governments did not support Hussein in the first place ). It has been said a million times before that saving the Iraqi people from a cruel dictator was just one of many rationalizations offered by Bush and company for the war, but the earlier neocon  documents such as those mentioned in the article above were quite clear about the true reasons for this war.  If concern for others was the goal of the current American government ( or for just about any other American administration for that matter )  they would be spending money on bettering the world for purely altruistic reasons rather than offering up phoney excuses to cover up the real motives involved- namely greed and power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg-the war in Iraq was only necessary to secure oil  to fuel the empire and to spread yet more military bases around the world to  better project American power-  this is the project for the new American century ( WMDs  were  the first false reason for this war- saving the Iraqi people was a later excuse so it was not the original intention- besides the Iraqi people could have been spared  much of there suffering if  previous American governments did not support Hussein in the first place ). It has been said a million times before that saving the Iraqi people from a cruel dictator was just one of many rationalizations offered by Bush and company for the war, but the earlier neocon  documents such as those mentioned in the article above were quite clear about the true reasons for this war.  If concern for others was the goal of the current American government ( or for just about any other American administration for that matter )  they would be spending money on bettering the world for purely altruistic reasons rather than offering up phoney excuses to cover up the real motives involved- namely greed and power.</p>
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		<title>By: deang</title>
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		<dc:creator>deang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claims that the US occupation of Iraq is better than having Hussein there can only be maintained if you overlook the fact that Hussein maintained the infrastructure of the country while the US has destroyed it and refuses to restore it; that Hussein slaughtered, tortured, and imprisoned far fewer people than the US has while in Iraq; that Hussein did not sow his country with cluster bombs, depleted uranium, trigger-happy soldiers, and civil war plots; and that Hussein did not trigger the largest refugee flight in the history of the Middle East. All these things that Hussein did not do the US has done. No wonder most Iraqis want the US out. It would help if the US would undo some of the damage they&#039;ve done to Iraq, pay reparations, and remove their military a bases as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claims that the US occupation of Iraq is better than having Hussein there can only be maintained if you overlook the fact that Hussein maintained the infrastructure of the country while the US has destroyed it and refuses to restore it; that Hussein slaughtered, tortured, and imprisoned far fewer people than the US has while in Iraq; that Hussein did not sow his country with cluster bombs, depleted uranium, trigger-happy soldiers, and civil war plots; and that Hussein did not trigger the largest refugee flight in the history of the Middle East. All these things that Hussein did not do the US has done. No wonder most Iraqis want the US out. It would help if the US would undo some of the damage they&#8217;ve done to Iraq, pay reparations, and remove their military a bases as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anniemal argues the comparison of Bush to Hitler is unfair because Hitler’s evil far surpasses anything for which Bush is responsible.  
I say if evil is just a matter of degree… Give the man more time. Remember, folks say he is rather slow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anniemal argues the comparison of Bush to Hitler is unfair because Hitler’s evil far surpasses anything for which Bush is responsible.<br />
I say if evil is just a matter of degree… Give the man more time. Remember, folks say he is rather slow.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see where Capt. May is coming from, however if you actually look at the history of the Reichstag fire (http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/burns.htm) as seen in the link I have embedded.  You will see that it was Hitler&#039;s doing, not some other party that caused the Reichstag fire.  Now Bush on the other hand did not go telling some secret servicemen to go take over planes in the guise of Islamic extremists and fly them into buildings.  Yes he did use this to rally the U.S behind him, but what American who bled red, white and blue wouldn&#039;t rally to help that cause?

Many people get this idea that America is becoming a Nazi-like state and I do agree in most ways.  However I believe that some of these things must be done, for say the war in Iraq.  We may have entered the war fists flying in every direction, but at least we have better intentions for the Iraqi peoples than mass genocide and oppression..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see where Capt. May is coming from, however if you actually look at the history of the Reichstag fire (<a href="http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/burns.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/burns.htm</a>) as seen in the link I have embedded.  You will see that it was Hitler&#8217;s doing, not some other party that caused the Reichstag fire.  Now Bush on the other hand did not go telling some secret servicemen to go take over planes in the guise of Islamic extremists and fly them into buildings.  Yes he did use this to rally the U.S behind him, but what American who bled red, white and blue wouldn&#8217;t rally to help that cause?</p>
<p>Many people get this idea that America is becoming a Nazi-like state and I do agree in most ways.  However I believe that some of these things must be done, for say the war in Iraq.  We may have entered the war fists flying in every direction, but at least we have better intentions for the Iraqi peoples than mass genocide and oppression..</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can look back even further than from present 100 years or so  and see that Herodotus a 6th century historian pretty much defined how and why eveyone goes to war: and explain it well, I have come to believe the the wars in Iraq and Iran and Afghanistan,
under the pretext of fighting terrorism, are really not only about the
control of oil but about something more insidious. 

Drawing on history and ancient history in particular I am reminded of parallels. 
 
Herodotus reminds us that there really are no such things as proxy wars, there only wars between power blocs for control of resources, labor and access to resources; these are supplemented by pride national honor and the will of the gods. In his first chapter he uses the illustration of women being subject to expropriation, later he
expands this analysis to include land, olive oil, gold and other objects of man&#039;s insatiable desire. 

Today as in Hitler&#039;s day the material desire is for oil and natural resources.  

Importantly he notes that the conflicts in the Greek islands and along Asia Minor were really conflicts between one group of Greeks against another who were supported by Persia. This he would say is an immutable law of warfare- that war only exists between power blocs, the people between them like the islands off Asia minor are only casualties of war-  and it is in contrast to Thucydides&#039; &quot;laws&quot; driving the Pelopponesian war which seem wholly immaterial, he says they are based on national honor, pride, etc. 

If we were to extrapolate, Herodotus would have us believe that the
wars against Iraq, the coming war against Iran and the war against
Afghanistan are about two things: economics and oil and access to both of these and regimes that are favorable to a status quo based on the dollar and the &quot;dollar value&quot; of oil. They are a quest to &quot;reclaim&quot; a national honor lost through the loss of the manufacturing base within the US. They have very little to do with perceived or real threats, becuase these threats can only come from the power blocs themselves, and the proxy wars are largely the figments of planners whose only risk of seeing blood is if their secretary gets a paper cut. 
 
But if we again extrapolate from Herodotus and his idea that these are   not proxy wars, well, what are they? Herodotus would lead us to beleive that they are wars directed against Russia and the states of the former Soviet Union as well as China and not against Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan per se. They seek hegemony in the region only in so far as they can capitalize on access to oil, its transport and its value in terms of the dollar. Its transportation in the Caspian, its pipelines across Eurasia, as well as the added bonus of under utilized forests in Siberia and manufacturing potenital from the North Pole to the deserts of Uzbekistan.  Herodotus knew all of these places from stories, and wrote about them with some detail.  
   
It is interesting to note that in his analysis Herodotus gives two examples of successful resistance to the overwhelming dominance of the Persian military, one in Scythia and one in Greece. In Scythia the battle is won through winter, deception and skill, in Greece through
deception baiting and using geography as a weapon. I find both of these examples intriguing on a number of levels. 

But I ask, Captian May, how does one prevent overwhelming dominance from taking place? Has it already? Is it not the elites of the G8 who desperately want to pull all the states of the world into line with the Washington Consensus? And since these are all pretty much behind the scenes, how can Americans do anything to stop them from carrying out these suicidal or eugenic type plans?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can look back even further than from present 100 years or so  and see that Herodotus a 6th century historian pretty much defined how and why eveyone goes to war: and explain it well, I have come to believe the the wars in Iraq and Iran and Afghanistan,<br />
under the pretext of fighting terrorism, are really not only about the<br />
control of oil but about something more insidious. </p>
<p>Drawing on history and ancient history in particular I am reminded of parallels. </p>
<p>Herodotus reminds us that there really are no such things as proxy wars, there only wars between power blocs for control of resources, labor and access to resources; these are supplemented by pride national honor and the will of the gods. In his first chapter he uses the illustration of women being subject to expropriation, later he<br />
expands this analysis to include land, olive oil, gold and other objects of man&#8217;s insatiable desire. </p>
<p>Today as in Hitler&#8217;s day the material desire is for oil and natural resources.  </p>
<p>Importantly he notes that the conflicts in the Greek islands and along Asia Minor were really conflicts between one group of Greeks against another who were supported by Persia. This he would say is an immutable law of warfare- that war only exists between power blocs, the people between them like the islands off Asia minor are only casualties of war-  and it is in contrast to Thucydides&#8217; &#8220;laws&#8221; driving the Pelopponesian war which seem wholly immaterial, he says they are based on national honor, pride, etc. </p>
<p>If we were to extrapolate, Herodotus would have us believe that the<br />
wars against Iraq, the coming war against Iran and the war against<br />
Afghanistan are about two things: economics and oil and access to both of these and regimes that are favorable to a status quo based on the dollar and the &#8220;dollar value&#8221; of oil. They are a quest to &#8220;reclaim&#8221; a national honor lost through the loss of the manufacturing base within the US. They have very little to do with perceived or real threats, becuase these threats can only come from the power blocs themselves, and the proxy wars are largely the figments of planners whose only risk of seeing blood is if their secretary gets a paper cut. </p>
<p>But if we again extrapolate from Herodotus and his idea that these are   not proxy wars, well, what are they? Herodotus would lead us to beleive that they are wars directed against Russia and the states of the former Soviet Union as well as China and not against Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan per se. They seek hegemony in the region only in so far as they can capitalize on access to oil, its transport and its value in terms of the dollar. Its transportation in the Caspian, its pipelines across Eurasia, as well as the added bonus of under utilized forests in Siberia and manufacturing potenital from the North Pole to the deserts of Uzbekistan.  Herodotus knew all of these places from stories, and wrote about them with some detail.  </p>
<p>It is interesting to note that in his analysis Herodotus gives two examples of successful resistance to the overwhelming dominance of the Persian military, one in Scythia and one in Greece. In Scythia the battle is won through winter, deception and skill, in Greece through<br />
deception baiting and using geography as a weapon. I find both of these examples intriguing on a number of levels. </p>
<p>But I ask, Captian May, how does one prevent overwhelming dominance from taking place? Has it already? Is it not the elites of the G8 who desperately want to pull all the states of the world into line with the Washington Consensus? And since these are all pretty much behind the scenes, how can Americans do anything to stop them from carrying out these suicidal or eugenic type plans?</p>
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		<title>By: anniemal</title>
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		<dc:creator>anniemal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re struggling for social justice (as your banner implies), you should probably look into what Saddam was doing in Iraq.  While I do agree that Americans were mislead in this war, Saddam was an awful leader who regularly practiced the awful human rights violations that I am sure you are campaigning against.  The world is a better place without him and we do have the American military to thank for that.  Bush is by far no angel, no politician ever is, but a comparison to Hitler makes the writer look unintelligent.  Hitler provided an environment for the mass slaughter of millions based on their ethnicity, sexual orientation, and religion.  That can not be compared to the war in Iraq, which is very minuscule in size when compared to all the wars throughout human history or even simply those of the last century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re struggling for social justice (as your banner implies), you should probably look into what Saddam was doing in Iraq.  While I do agree that Americans were mislead in this war, Saddam was an awful leader who regularly practiced the awful human rights violations that I am sure you are campaigning against.  The world is a better place without him and we do have the American military to thank for that.  Bush is by far no angel, no politician ever is, but a comparison to Hitler makes the writer look unintelligent.  Hitler provided an environment for the mass slaughter of millions based on their ethnicity, sexual orientation, and religion.  That can not be compared to the war in Iraq, which is very minuscule in size when compared to all the wars throughout human history or even simply those of the last century.</p>
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