Comments on: A Q and A For The People Of A Forsaken Republic: Addressing the Origins of the Who’s-Your-Daddy Nation http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:52:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Shabnam http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-8125 Shabnam Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:37:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-8125 “People’s Voice” wrote that Ben Laden who died shortly after September 11, 2001 has been buried in an unknown location. There were only 30 people present at the time of his burial. He used to go to hospital located in Dubai for kidney dialysis during his friendship with CIA, according to Richard L. Franklin of “People’s voice.” According to Franklin, Osama who became ill with kidney problem, during the Soviet Union occupation of Afghanistan, gradually lost both of his kidneys due to this disease despite the fact that CIA sent him to Dubai for treatment. He and CIA were working together during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan to force the Russian out of the country. Reports by Franklin show that kidney dialysis on average can extend patient’s lives for another 10 years if they regularly receive kidney dialysis. But this was very difficult for Ben Laden due to his activities which made it difficult for him to have access to medical facilities. Purvis Mosharraf also in one of his interviews said that most likely Osama Ben Laden is death. However he later ignored this confession to satisfy his masters. Ben Laden and Al-Qaeda are used to fool ignorant people to cover up Zionist- imperialist war crime activities around the world through “War on Terror” which is a phony war. http://abna.ir/textnews.asp?id=16349 “People’s Voice” wrote that Ben Laden who died shortly after September 11, 2001 has been buried in an unknown location. There were only 30 people present at the time of his burial. He used to go to hospital located in Dubai for kidney dialysis during his friendship with CIA, according to Richard L. Franklin of “People’s voice.”
According to Franklin, Osama who became ill with kidney problem, during the Soviet Union occupation of Afghanistan, gradually lost both of his kidneys due to this disease despite the fact that CIA sent him to Dubai for treatment. He and CIA were working together during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan to force the Russian out of the country. Reports by Franklin show that kidney dialysis on average can extend patient’s lives for another 10 years if they regularly receive kidney dialysis. But this was very difficult for Ben Laden due to his activities which made it difficult for him to have access to medical facilities. Purvis Mosharraf also in one of his interviews said that most likely Osama Ben Laden is death. However he later ignored this confession to satisfy his masters. Ben Laden and Al-Qaeda are used to fool ignorant people to cover up Zionist- imperialist war crime activities around the world through “War on Terror” which is a phony war.

http://abna.ir/textnews.asp?id=16349

]]> By: iyamwutiam http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-7067 iyamwutiam Sun, 07 Oct 2007 05:47:31 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-7067 From Brian 10/4 8:30 PM. It took us less than four years to defeat the biggest threats to the world, the most substantial threats in human history during World War II and we cannot find one guy in a cave after six years? Give me a break. You might want to add - that 4 planes (4!!) were all hi-jacked - not oe of them shot down by our trillion dollar air force- all it seems with boxcutters!! No survivors - even n the plane that didn''t hit anything - no tangible wreckage!! That was some amazing planning - that is WHY - they can hold off the US on both Afghanistan and IRAQ and despite over 250,000 troops from US/NATO/ ENGLAND and private contractors - we can't find Bin Laden!! Obviously you CAN make this stuff!! From Brian 10/4 8:30 PM.

It took us less than four years to defeat the biggest threats to the world, the most substantial threats in human history during World War II and we cannot find one guy in a cave after six years? Give me a break.

You might want to add – that 4 planes (4!!) were all hi-jacked – not oe of them shot down by our trillion dollar air force- all it seems with boxcutters!! No survivors – even n the plane that didn”t hit anything – no tangible wreckage!!

That was some amazing planning – that is WHY – they can hold off the US on both Afghanistan and IRAQ and despite over 250,000 troops from US/NATO/ ENGLAND and private contractors – we can’t find Bin Laden!!

Obviously you CAN make this stuff!!

]]> By: Brian http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-6942 Brian Fri, 05 Oct 2007 03:30:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-6942 This is not the typical rant or rave, and I agree with Phil 100%. What I see is a classical perspective that is valuable on the causes, and on the horrors of war. That said, anyone who invades our nation deserves complete destruction. Blood for Blood. Death for Death. But this naturally leads on to ask, have we caught Osama Bin Laden? It took us less than four years to defeat the biggest threats to the world, the most substantial threats in human history during World War II and we cannot find one guy in a cave after six years? Give me a break. You see, there is a thing in international law called "reciprocity" it is quite different from the idea of pre-emptive non-congressional approved war. War without an act of congress- even in special session- the action is not a war at all, it is "limited" conflict or whatever what you want to call it, in fact, it is illegal and does not follow international law. A rubber stamp congress paid off by multinational corporate terrorists excepted. Read the book the Great Chessboard before you get the idea that this war and the changes in our country have not been in the making for a long, long time. 9-11 was an appropriate pre-text to allow an anything goes attitude; and one must ask, how does a nation who has consistently spent more on war and intelligence than the next combined 15 nations not have the foresight and intelligence to see something like 9-11 coming. Read the project for the New American Century documents, they lay it out in stark terms "Unless America has another pearl harbor..." we will never regain our national honor. All this is useless of course, without a manufacturing base and solidity in the economic system- and, there are two ways and only two to counteract a downturn in economics, 1. is ala FDR's social programs for national and domestic development and 2. is ala Hitler's unrelenting warfare. Which do we have? And, which kind of America do you want, one modeled on FDR's ideas or one modeled on the greed of the few at the expense of the common man and the many? It is not a question of patriotism; it is a question between freedom and slavery. Which would you prefer? For me the question was answered most perfectly by James Otis in 1775, and Patrick Henry answered the question just as well when he said "Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God. I know not course what others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty or give me death." And I answer with Washington, Jefferson, Garibaldi, Bolivar, O'Higgins and Lincoln that there is a lighthouse of human freedom and human dignity that hegemony, slavery and colonialism have no part or share in; that all men are created equal, that all are endowed with inalienable rights, that the enlightenment ideals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are important and worth protecting and dying for. Maybe Bush and his cronies and their hegemonic wars can dim that lighthouse, but they will never eradicate it- as long as Americans and others believe that freedom is worth having, there is nothing that anyone can take away from them that they do not willingly give. These ideas transcend time or space and 9-11 does not alter them one iota. When the White House was burned down by the invading British in 1813 did we institute a system of National Surveillance? Of course not, we attacked them- well not this time, you could say, the enemy is more diffuse, but I would argue that if you are looking for the real cause of these problems you need look no further than your own bathroom mirror. Patriotism means resisting the evil for the sake of the good of your nation, it does not mean turning over your rational faculties to someone else like a Hitler, God Emperor or Mussolini. It does not mean being so caught up in the desire for war that you forget the real need for war is to bring peace. A friend of mine once told me an "oncologist does not ignore a tumor or pretend it is not there, he also does not presume to know how to cure every cancer, and a good oncologist, will remove the tumor without killing the patient." This seems a pretty good analogy, war is only used as a means to bring just peace in defense of one's homeland, but "just peace" is a misused term unless we agree that it follows the standard of international laws and norms. Whether you live under a democratic state or a socialist-democratic state makes little difference as long as freedom and the dignity of the human person and their rights under their own constitution are protected. Consider for example three points: First, under a system of totalism, under a system of fascism, under a system of economic corporatism these ideals are not protected and human beings go from being liberated to being slaves. In fact such debt or real slavery precludes human freedom. Second, anyone who violates the inalienable laws violates the natural laws of the Constitution. So being a red, white a blue patriot which do you protect, liberty or security? You can do both in a non-aggressive and deterrent way without attacking central Asian countries for their resources. Third, if you choose security or a false sense of it, then you deserve neither liberty nor security because you will always be terrorized by real or imagined enemies and you will always live in fear through intimidation because you have given your dignity over to others. This is how the classical world and the world of the enlightenment thought of and saw slavery. This is how they imagined Persia was and British Yoke would be, and they did not respectfully disagree- they resisted. This is why despite the Nazi blitz across Europe, when they reached Russia they found a nation that would not submit, but resisted. You see, Roosevelt's goal after World War II was to end once and for all colonialism and imperialism in all of its forms so that hegemony would no longer occur between nations, he did not want a conflict with Communism in Russia, but he died too soon for his goals to be realized, and since him, we have been marching in the wrong direction toward an untenable hegemony that can only be controlled by force, often unbridled, and by controlling others against their free will. But I assure you this dream Roosevelt had, this dream that is only whispered for fear that the Department of Homeland Security might catch on to it, will be realized whether we want it to be or not. It is simply impossible for 1/5 of the world’s population to control 4/5 if they no longer choose to be controlled. So, I ask again, what kind of America do you want? If you want American fascism, or friendly "corporate fascism" you can count me out, and better send your jack-booted buddies to get me and throw me in jail now, if they can. This is not the typical rant or rave, and I agree with Phil 100%. What I see is a classical perspective that is valuable on the causes, and on the horrors of war. That said, anyone who invades our nation deserves complete destruction. Blood for Blood. Death for Death. But this naturally leads on to ask, have we caught Osama Bin Laden?

It took us less than four years to defeat the biggest threats to the world, the most substantial threats in human history during World War II and we cannot find one guy in a cave after six years? Give me a break.

You see, there is a thing in international law called “reciprocity” it is quite different from the idea of pre-emptive non-congressional approved war.

War without an act of congress- even in special session- the action is not a war at all, it is “limited” conflict or whatever what you want to call it, in fact, it is illegal and does not follow international law. A rubber stamp congress paid off by multinational corporate terrorists excepted.

Read the book the Great Chessboard before you get the idea that this war and the changes in our country have not been in the making for a long, long time. 9-11 was an appropriate pre-text to allow an anything goes attitude; and one must ask, how does a nation who has consistently spent more on war and intelligence than the next combined 15 nations not have the foresight and intelligence to see something like 9-11 coming.

Read the project for the New American Century documents, they lay it out in stark terms “Unless America has another pearl harbor…” we will never regain our national honor.

All this is useless of course, without a manufacturing base and solidity in the economic system- and, there are two ways and only two to counteract a downturn in economics, 1. is ala FDR’s social programs for national and domestic development and 2. is ala Hitler’s unrelenting warfare.

Which do we have? And, which kind of America do you want, one modeled on FDR’s ideas or one modeled on the greed of the few at the expense of the common man and the many?

It is not a question of patriotism; it is a question between freedom and slavery. Which would you prefer?

For me the question was answered most perfectly by James Otis in 1775, and Patrick Henry answered the question just as well when he said “Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God. I know not course what others may take, but as for me, give me Liberty or give me death.”

And I answer with Washington, Jefferson, Garibaldi, Bolivar, O’Higgins and Lincoln that there is a lighthouse of human freedom and human dignity that hegemony, slavery and colonialism have no part or share in; that all men are created equal, that all are endowed with inalienable rights, that the enlightenment ideals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are important and worth protecting and dying for. Maybe Bush and his cronies and their hegemonic wars can dim that lighthouse, but they will never eradicate it- as long as Americans and others believe that freedom is worth having, there is nothing that anyone can take away from them that they do not willingly give.

These ideas transcend time or space and 9-11 does not alter them one iota. When the White House was burned down by the invading British in 1813 did we institute a system of National Surveillance? Of course not, we attacked them- well not this time, you could say, the enemy is more diffuse, but I would argue that if you are looking for the real cause of these problems you need look no further than your own bathroom mirror.

Patriotism means resisting the evil for the sake of the good of your nation, it does not mean turning over your rational faculties to someone else like a Hitler, God Emperor or Mussolini. It does not mean being so caught up in the desire for war that you forget the real need for war is to bring peace. A friend of mine once told me an “oncologist does not ignore a tumor or pretend it is not there, he also does not presume to know how to cure every cancer, and a good oncologist, will remove the tumor without killing the patient.” This seems a pretty good analogy, war is only used as a means to bring just peace in defense of one’s homeland, but “just peace” is a misused term unless we agree that it follows the standard of international laws and norms.

Whether you live under a democratic state or a socialist-democratic state makes little difference as long as freedom and the dignity of the human person and their rights under their own constitution are protected. Consider for example three points:

First, under a system of totalism, under a system of fascism, under a system of economic corporatism these ideals are not protected and human beings go from being liberated to being slaves. In fact such debt or real slavery precludes human freedom.

Second, anyone who violates the inalienable laws violates the natural laws of the Constitution. So being a red, white a blue patriot which do you protect, liberty or security? You can do both in a non-aggressive and deterrent way without attacking central Asian countries for their resources.

Third, if you choose security or a false sense of it, then you deserve neither liberty nor security because you will always be terrorized by real or imagined enemies and you will always live in fear through intimidation because you have given your dignity over to others.

This is how the classical world and the world of the enlightenment thought of and saw slavery. This is how they imagined Persia was and British Yoke would be, and they did not respectfully disagree- they resisted. This is why despite the Nazi blitz across Europe, when they reached Russia they found a nation that would not submit, but resisted.

You see, Roosevelt’s goal after World War II was to end once and for all colonialism and imperialism in all of its forms so that hegemony would no longer occur between nations, he did not want a conflict with Communism in Russia, but he died too soon for his goals to be realized, and since him, we have been marching in the wrong direction toward an untenable hegemony that can only be controlled by force, often unbridled, and by controlling others against their free will.

But I assure you this dream Roosevelt had, this dream that is only whispered for fear that the Department of Homeland Security might catch on to it, will be realized whether we want it to be or not. It is simply impossible for 1/5 of the world’s population to control 4/5 if they no longer choose to be controlled.

So, I ask again, what kind of America do you want?

If you want American fascism, or friendly “corporate fascism” you can count me out, and better send your jack-booted buddies to get me and throw me in jail now, if they can.

]]> By: deang http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-6887 deang Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:09:43 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-6887 There are no signs of insurrection in the US. You'd be lucky to find more than a dozen young people in the whole country who would unreservedly take a progressive political stance. There are no signs of insurrection in the US. You’d be lucky to find more than a dozen young people in the whole country who would unreservedly take a progressive political stance.

]]> By: Donald Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-6874 Donald Hawkins Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:01:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-6874 Phil, Again I must say that was brilliant. I sent this to CNN today. Good Morning, James Inholfe, Dan Burton, Steve Forbes, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bjorn Lomborg, Steve Milloy, Patrick Michaels, Richard Lindzen and Steve Moore. Steven Hawking, James Hansen, Dr. Wingham, Richard Alley, Mark Serreze, Tim Barnett, Walt Meier, Dr. James Baker. In the summer July 2008 these two groups of people were in Greenland on the ice sheet. A young reporter was also there. He looked over at the first group and noticed they were all dressed in new clothes and had a big American flag that they were waving. He looked over at the next group who were taking measurements and pointing at these rather large rivers of water in the ice sheet. Now this young reporter had seen most of the people in the first group many times on TV and all the other news crews were already over at that group asking those hard questions. Well the young reporter thought to himself why not take a chance and go to the group nobody was at. He went to Dr. Baker first and just asked what do you think it is climate change, the doctor said, "There's a better scientific consensus on this [climate change] than on any issue I know - except maybe Newton's second law of dynamics". Then he went to Steven Hawking and asked the same question. Steven said, "very worried about global warming and that other group over there jumping up and down on the ice waving that flag might not want to do that as the ice is a little unstable." The reporter then went over to the first group and told them what Steven had said. Well at that point they all said you can't tell us what to do as they began to sink lower into the ice. Don This republic, or any other, cannot survive, inhabited by a populace with such a slow learning curve. Phil,
Again I must say that was brilliant. I sent this to CNN today.

Good Morning,
James Inholfe, Dan Burton, Steve Forbes, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bjorn Lomborg, Steve Milloy, Patrick Michaels, Richard Lindzen and Steve Moore.

Steven Hawking, James Hansen, Dr. Wingham, Richard Alley, Mark Serreze, Tim Barnett, Walt Meier, Dr. James Baker.

In the summer July 2008 these two groups of people were in Greenland on the ice sheet. A young reporter was also there. He looked over at the first group and noticed they were all dressed in new clothes and had a big American flag that they were waving. He looked over at the next group who were taking measurements and pointing at these rather large rivers of water in the ice sheet. Now this young reporter had seen most of the people in the first group many times on TV and all the other news crews were already over at that group asking those hard questions. Well the young reporter thought to himself why not take a chance and go to the group nobody was at. He went to Dr. Baker first and just asked what do you think it is climate change, the doctor said, “There’s a better scientific consensus on this [climate change] than on any issue I know – except maybe Newton’s second law of dynamics”. Then he went to Steven Hawking and asked the same question. Steven said, “very worried about global warming and that other group over there jumping up and down on the ice waving that flag might not want to do that as the ice is a little unstable.” The reporter then went over to the first group and told them what Steven had said. Well at that point they all said you can’t tell us what to do as they began to sink lower into the ice.
Don

This republic, or any other, cannot survive, inhabited by a populace with such a slow learning curve.

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-6871 Deadbeat Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:07:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-6871 That should have read: <i>The key to disarming IS to confront the source of that hatred</i> That should have read:

The key to disarming IS to confront the source of that hatred

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-6870 Deadbeat Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:06:49 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/10/a-q-and-a-for-the-people-of-a-forsaken-republic-addressing-the-origins-of-the-whos-your-daddy-nation/#comment-6870 <i>In any case, I hate all Iranians. –Debra Cagan, Deputy Assistant Secretary to Defense Secretary, Robert Gates</i> Her hatred is not grounded in "corporate" control. The key to disarming to to confront the source of that hatred. In any case, I hate all Iranians.
–Debra Cagan, Deputy Assistant Secretary to Defense Secretary, Robert Gates

Her hatred is not grounded in “corporate” control. The key to disarming to to confront the source of that hatred.

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