Comments on: The Iran Attack and Aftermath http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mike McNiven http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-6214 Mike McNiven Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:50:55 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-6214 As the Iranian Left see the situation: http://www.iran-bulletin.org/Attack%20on%20Iran/NO%20WAR%20ON%20IRAN.htm As the Iranian Left see the situation:

http://www.iran-bulletin.org/Attack%20on%20Iran/NO%20WAR%20ON%20IRAN.htm

]]> By: gerald spezio http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-6132 gerald spezio Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:38:54 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-6132 Gary, most of my friends aren't overly concerned about the distinct possibility that Iran will be attacked. I am not an alarmist , but this is looking more and more like the end of the entire world. What fat chance is there to throw the bastards out when Joe Lieberman's Bill to confront Iran waltzes through the Senate, 97 - 0? Gary, most of my friends aren’t overly concerned about the distinct possibility that Iran will be attacked.
I am not an alarmist , but this is looking more and more like the end of the entire world.
What fat chance is there to throw the bastards out when Joe Lieberman’s Bill to confront Iran waltzes through the Senate, 97 – 0?

]]> By: Benjamin http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-6124 Benjamin Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:30:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-6124 Well researched article. It may be too long for the "paris hilton" obsessed media to handle as their craniums might explode past the first 30 seconds of thought. It is however, a very important article that I wish would have been published in the mainstream media. The mistranslation of the phrase "wipe out Israel" when it was "the Zionist regime in Jerusalem will be in the dustbins of history" (the dustbin is a common Tehrani expression, the American equivalent of the something belonging to the dustbins of history is "This too, shall pass" not this too shall be annihilated as translated" has troubled me for some time. I mean, how come none of the media outlets from the liberal to the conservative noticed the grand error in translation. Irish, South African, and English news papers have commented on the topic. Then I realized that every time Ahmadinejad is mentioned in the western press , it reads something like this: ..... blah blah blah something "wiped off the map" something blah blah blah. It dawned on me. The quote is out of context on purpose, and nobody is going to (or is allowed to) ask or print the WHOLE sentence. The regime in Iran may very well be evil or whatever they say they are, but so is lying and disinformation, and we seem to be doing it more and more, in the name of "safety". Well researched article.

It may be too long for the “paris hilton” obsessed media to handle as their craniums might explode past the first 30 seconds of thought. It is however, a very important article that I wish would have been published in the mainstream media.

The mistranslation of the phrase “wipe out Israel” when it was “the Zionist regime in Jerusalem will be in the dustbins of history” (the dustbin is a common Tehrani expression, the American equivalent of the something belonging to the dustbins of history is “This too, shall pass” not this too shall be annihilated as translated” has troubled me for some time. I mean, how come none of the media outlets from the liberal to the conservative noticed the grand error in translation. Irish, South African, and English news papers have commented on the topic. Then I realized that every time Ahmadinejad is mentioned in the western press , it reads something like this: ….. blah blah blah something “wiped off the map” something blah blah blah. It dawned on me. The quote is out of context on purpose, and nobody is going to (or is allowed to) ask or print the WHOLE sentence.

The regime in Iran may very well be evil or whatever they say they are, but so is lying and disinformation, and we seem to be doing it more and more, in the name of “safety”.

]]> By: Timber http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-6081 Timber Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:00:06 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-6081 I can't get past the premise of the sailor/former Marine's premise that she was on the tip of the sword "defending America" by sitting on an aircraft carrier on the other side of the world. I also can't get past her apparent belief that it's just common sense that a person in the military would rather participate in unprovoked mass murder--and I really don't care anymore how small a cog in the machine they are--than have a military career "pulled out from under them." Would we nod in sympathy with a college professor who went on a killing spree to retain tenure, or a junior executive who burned down an apartment building full of people to maintain his seniority? If we're to be encouraged by the idea that a few sailors are whispering to each other that maybe, just maybe it's wrong to nuke Iran, our expectations of our military personnel, our fellow citizens, and our fellow human beings have really gone into the toilet. I can’t get past the premise of the sailor/former Marine’s premise that she was on the tip of the sword “defending America” by sitting on an aircraft carrier on the other side of the world.

I also can’t get past her apparent belief that it’s just common sense that a person in the military would rather participate in unprovoked mass murder–and I really don’t care anymore how small a cog in the machine they are–than have a military career “pulled out from under them.” Would we nod in sympathy with a college professor who went on a killing spree to retain tenure, or a junior executive who burned down an apartment building full of people to maintain his seniority?

If we’re to be encouraged by the idea that a few sailors are whispering to each other that maybe, just maybe it’s wrong to nuke Iran, our expectations of our military personnel, our fellow citizens, and our fellow human beings have really gone into the toilet.

]]> By: Brit Pat http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-6063 Brit Pat Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:45:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-6063 ...How many dead in the Middle East now.... We really are the Bad guys, how in hell did it get to this....... This is Lunacy, sheer Madness …How many dead in the Middle East now….
We really are the Bad guys,
how in hell did it get to this…….
This is Lunacy, sheer Madness

]]> By: Shabnam http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-6013 Shabnam Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:42:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-6013 The propaganda machine of the west is working hard to fabricate “evidence” to convince The gullible people that Iran is a security tread. One of these stories is lies related to EFP As Javad Zarif, the former Iran ambassador to the UN explained on Charlie Rose show that evidence related to Iran involvement in killing soldiers with EFP is without merit because that evidence showed that these EFP were dated according to American system and not Iranian. Iranian like European bring days before months contrary to the American system where bring month before day. We should not surrendered ourselves to the vision of few fascists in Washington and their associates who reserve the right to kill for their interests. Enough is enough. Therefore, it is necessary to take the threat of war very seriously and STOP FUNDING THE WAR BY NOT WORKING ONE DAY EVERY WEEK UNTIL THE OCCUPIERS GET OUT OF IRAQ. The fascists are united against humanity, so we should do the same and be united against the evil force of our time. American must take responsibilities because it is not acceptable anymore to hide behind a statement such as: WE DON’T HAVE POWER. No one is going to give you that kind of power, you have to create it yourself, and especially knowing that ceremonial election in the FAILED STATE, America, is not going to bring any meaningful changes. The propaganda machine of the west is working hard to fabricate “evidence” to convince
The gullible people that Iran is a security tread. One of these stories is lies related to EFP As Javad Zarif, the former Iran ambassador to the UN explained on Charlie Rose show that evidence related to Iran involvement in killing soldiers with EFP is without merit because that evidence showed that these EFP were dated according to American system and not Iranian. Iranian like European bring days before months contrary to the American system where bring month before day.
We should not surrendered ourselves to the vision of few fascists in Washington and their associates who reserve the right to kill for their interests. Enough is enough. Therefore, it is necessary to take the threat of war very seriously and STOP FUNDING THE WAR BY NOT WORKING ONE DAY EVERY WEEK UNTIL THE OCCUPIERS GET OUT OF IRAQ. The fascists are united against humanity, so we should do the same and be united against the evil force of our time.
American must take responsibilities because it is not acceptable anymore to hide behind a statement such as: WE DON’T HAVE POWER. No one is going to give you that kind of power, you have to create it yourself, and especially knowing that ceremonial election in the FAILED STATE, America, is not going to bring any meaningful changes.

]]> By: Binh http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-5991 Binh Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:07:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-5991 The Senate has already voted 97-0 (meaning every single Democrat, Obama, Hillary, etc) for war with Iran: http://prisonerofstarvation.blogspot.com/2007/07/senate-dems-vote-for-war-with-iran.html The Senate has already voted 97-0 (meaning every single Democrat, Obama, Hillary, etc) for war with Iran:

http://prisonerofstarvation.blogspot.com/2007/07/senate-dems-vote-for-war-with-iran.html

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-5990 Mulga Mumblebrain Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:52:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-iran-attack-and-aftermath/#comment-5990 That the world is being propelled headlong towards Armaggedon by a virulently racist state, driven by an ideology of racial supremacy, to the rest of humanity in general, but to the Moslems of the Middle East in particular, would be mad and bad enough, but the cowardice of popular opinion is even more lamentable. Naturally this gutlessness is partly the result of ferocious indoctrination. In Australia, the Murdoch flagship 'The Fundament' ('the arse-hole of the nation' ) is running a near demented campaign against the other big newspaper oligarch the Fairfax Group. Fairfax is hardly any less biased towards Israel and against the Arabs than the rest of the media. Its journalists, particularly the Jewish ones (not many Chomskys amongst them, just the usual Likudnicks) openly demonise Iran and spread the now familiar lies. Apparently the millions killed in Iraq, Lebanon and Afghanistan have not yet slaked their blood-lust. However, next to News Ltd, where an insane fanaticism suffuses every commentary on Israel and the Middle East, Fairfax does occasionally practice 'appeasement'. Its journalists every now and then infer that Palestinians might be humans, that their perpetual imprisonment and humiliation might not necessarily be yet further evidence of Israel's 'moral purity'. This brings down on their heads a fury of denunciation of bias and, of course, anti-Semitism. This process seems to have no end. Any position but utter obeisance to Israel, and complete condemnation of the Arabs, Palestinians in particular (arch-Quisling Abbas currently, and temporarily, excepted)is motivated by hatred of the Jews, and those uttering the profanities are clearly closet Nazis, lusting to open new Auschwitzes. The level of bellicose arrogance of the local pro-Israeli bully-boys and girls is steadily increasing, as the attack on Iran looms. Has there ever been such a collective loss of mental and moral equilibrium, and such moral cowardice as the complete capitulation to the forces of race hatred that have brought us the genocide in Iraq, and are just itching to repeat the horrors in Iran? That the world is being propelled headlong towards Armaggedon by a virulently racist state, driven by an ideology of racial supremacy, to the rest of humanity in general, but to the Moslems of the Middle East in particular, would be mad and bad enough, but the cowardice of popular opinion is even more lamentable. Naturally this gutlessness is partly the result of ferocious indoctrination. In Australia, the Murdoch flagship ‘The Fundament’ (‘the arse-hole of the nation’ ) is running a near demented campaign against the other big newspaper oligarch the Fairfax Group. Fairfax is hardly any less biased towards Israel and against the Arabs than the rest of the media. Its journalists, particularly the Jewish ones (not many Chomskys amongst them, just the usual Likudnicks) openly demonise Iran and spread the now familiar lies. Apparently the millions killed in Iraq, Lebanon and Afghanistan have not yet slaked their blood-lust. However, next to News Ltd, where an insane fanaticism suffuses every commentary on Israel and the Middle East, Fairfax does occasionally practice ‘appeasement’. Its journalists every now and then infer that Palestinians might be humans, that their perpetual imprisonment and humiliation might not necessarily be yet further evidence of Israel’s ‘moral purity’. This brings down on their heads a fury of denunciation of bias and, of course, anti-Semitism. This process seems to have no end. Any position but utter obeisance to Israel, and complete condemnation of the Arabs, Palestinians in particular (arch-Quisling Abbas currently, and temporarily, excepted)is motivated by hatred of the Jews, and those uttering the profanities are clearly closet Nazis, lusting to open new Auschwitzes. The level of bellicose arrogance of the local pro-Israeli bully-boys and girls is steadily increasing, as the attack on Iran looms. Has there ever been such a collective loss of mental and moral equilibrium, and such moral cowardice as the complete capitulation to the forces of race hatred that have brought us the genocide in Iraq, and are just itching to repeat the horrors in Iran?

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