The death of 3,000 people in a false-flag operation, that is then used to justify imperial assaults on Afghanistan and Iraq.

It looks like it.

The USA as the land of the free and the home of the brave – what a joke!

‘None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.’ – J. W. Goethe

For some of us who have kept a mental log of all major terrorism attacks since 1973, we were almost shaking three months prior to 9/11 and saying, what is that idiot in the White House doing or not doing, the atmosphere is ripe for a major terrorism attack.

Terrorists do not operate in a vacuum, as we all know, 9/11 was in the works for a good amount of time before it was executed; terrorists wait for the right atmosphere, the maximum potential audience, before they execute their operation and Bush gave them that.

Bush was doing nothing to advance peace in the middle east, he was actually standing on the side of Sharon and Israel in their dismantling of the Oslo Accord.

Anyway, 9/11 is not blowback because there is evidence the U.S. had advanced knowledge of it, and very likely aided Al-Qaeda in executing it.

Many try to prove it through the attacks on WTC and Pentagon, but the government hauled away the evidence very quickly in order to prevent any forensic reconstruction, ergo, leaving us with theories that can be brushed away as conspiracy theories.

So, what is the evidence that proves Bush administration complicity? it is incidents that took place in a small village in Afghanistan on September 26, 2001 and November 2, 2001 that inadvertently provide us with the proof that the Bush administration is complicit.

The following is the link to an article “The Hijacking of a Terrorism Plot!”
http://muckrakerreport.com/id487.html

As the writer of that article, feel free to contact me with any questions you may have.

Best to all,
Maher Osseiran

Mike Zimmer…I like your last comment. I hope that I encouraged you to press on and move forward. If I can ever help, just let me know.

I frankly do not believe the message of anti-war (and allied issues) has even a small chance of changing anything. This is not to say that I do not keep on trying with respect to these issues. But. The issue that has had the greatest growing impact over the last few years is 911 truth. Perhaps that is because once a person receives sufficient information to actually overcome the cognitive dissonance inherent in questioning basic, well entrenched false beliefs about America, they are then primed to begin to learn much of what else is going on as they fall down the rabbit hole.

Of course there is a limit. Many cannot manage the dissoance and actually question their own programming. Many more have no interest at all so thorougly are they ensorcelled by the consensus trance. But interestingly, I have encountered more and more anomolies to that notion. For example, earlier this week my car died in my son’s high school parking lot after I’d dropped him off. Two hours later, the tow truck arrived. On the ride back into town, the driver (a native of this southern Bible belt town) after we both expressed our unhappiness with the government, began talking To me about 9/11 truth! AND the wrongness of the wars.

If one had just noticed him drive by in his tow truck you might think… another Yahoo…. but in his case, a yahoo who is figuring it out. And he stated that if he had not been exposed to 9/11 truth, he would not have begun to figure it out. Several other similar examples occurred in just the last couple of months. 9/11 truth has the capability of beginning individual enlightenment because many American Do care about treason. And they hate the government sufficiently that they will begin to consider our government capable of hideous behaviors including attacking its own citizens for financial and geopolitical gain. And then they come to realize that we have allowed a great evil to be loosed upon the world. And they are getting angry.

So, however we can sway minds, we must. Whatever works well, we must use. Whatever appears to be a lynchpin argument for the person(s) we are speaking with, that is the argument we must capitalize upon. The whole point is persuasion…. however it occurs.

You wrote:

“And yes, many of you do object to usa foreign policy. The problem is that it usually looks like an afterthought. ”

I can only say to look at the collection I recommended previously, published by the prestigious publishing house Elsevier:

“9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, Vol. 1 (Paperback) by David Ray Griffin (Editor), Peter Dale Scott (Editor).

You will certainly see a concern for all victims of imperialism, expressed by numerous authors.”
or try this one:
“Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action (Paperback) by David Ray Griffin (Author) “

or this left-wing site: http://www.globalresearch.ca/

or this important left-wing Canadian Philosophy Professor and 9/11 Truth activist: http://www.uoguelph.ca/philosophy/faculty/jmcmurtry.shtml

David Ray Griffin is scarcely unique in terms of his humanitarian concerns for the peoples of the world. Please, dig a little deeper; the world will benefit if you more clearly understand the issues raised by the serious and informed 9/11 Truth activists.

However, you raise legitimate questions here:

“Brian…you say that there is already enough proof to convict. If that is true why is there NO Conviction, NO Indictment, and NO Trial. In my view, even IF there was absolute proof, it might not matter. You are placing too much confidence in the Judicial process. As others have said (to paraphrase), “If the Court system worked, they wouldn’t let us use it.” Here’s just one of the many roadblocks – the whole issue of Expert Witnesses, which your case would require. Expert witness are otherwise known as “Liars for Hire”. I have written articles about that problem in the Courts. It is unlikely that your side could match the amount of money that the “Defendants” in this case would have. In usa courts it is usual for the side with the most money to win. Are efforts going forward to get a Trial? Do you believe that it would be a fair process that would result in truth and justice? If so, why do you have faith in that branch of the same government that you are trying to expose? Do you have a Plan B that would not require Court action?”

These are serious questions, and deserve a serious response. Others have addressed many of them, in diverse articles. You clearly understand some of the issues (not meaning to be patronizing). I am not going to address them here, since they clearly deserve an article in their own right. It could be an important article, if handled correctly. I am going to run these questions by others whose opinions I respect. Maybe I can talk someone else into doing the heavy lifting.

Regards
Mike Zimmer
http://www.TheProgressiveMind.info

Mike Zimmer…I know that there is a broad spectrum of beliefs in any group. And yes, many of you do object to usa foreign policy. The problem is that it usually looks like an afterthought. Believe me – we are on the same side.

What astonishing claims you make:

“I believe that you would attract more to your side, if you showed a willingness to understand the affect that our foreign policy has had on those in other countries. It appears that you (and others in the 9/11 movement) place a greater value on the lives of those in this country. To many of us, that is offensive. I refuse to participate in “Anti-war Protests” unless they give equal respect to the Iraqi dead. Many will refuse to join your movement because of the same reason. It appears that you place a greater importance on the 3000 dead of “ours” than the millions of their dead.”

Read some of the major bloggers in the 9/11 Truth movement. How in the world you can believe that they do not concern themselves with the dead in foreign lands is beyond me. It is blatantly false, even to the point of being maliciously false. Even right wing Libertarian Michael Rivero routinely posts on torture in Iraq, and expresses his disgust at all of the war crime committed by the U.S. Read Kurt Nimo – same thing. Read Mike Zimmer – same thing. Read any 9/11 Truth site that is not purely focussed on the crime itself. All routinely decry the carnage that has resulted from U.S. of A. actions in Iraq and elsewhere. Almost all are looking for ways to avert the threatened attack on Iran.

That you do not know this make me wonder how accurate your claims are to have investigated 9/11 Truth.

There are a some that are specialized in investigating various aspects, and since that is their focus, they discuss evidence, forensics and strategies. Moving from that to the observation to the view that they care only for citizens U.S. of A. is a non sequitur . I cannot name one that is not motivated by the disgust of U.S. of A. foreign policy, and its catastrophic effect on the peoples of the world, as well as the growing fascism in the U.S. . I have met none, nada, in the 9/11 Truth movement who are not appalled by torture, cluster bombs, depleted uranium, the massacre at Fallujah, unprovoked aggression, and all of the other war crimes.

By the way, I am not from the U.S., and I think both of your parties are for the most part composed of opportunists, corrupt war mongers and corporatists. So why bring in your red herring about support for Democrats or Republicans? I don’t know many in the 9/11 Truth movement who think that there is a dime’s worth of difference between them.

Regards,
Michael Zimmer

The U.S. ruling elite may appear to be all powerful, but their power rests on a very narrow beam and becomes increasingly tenuous as their lies are exposed and their guilt revealed. The U.S. ruling elite could be brought down in a heartbeat by a major public revolt over their participation in the crimes of 9-11.

History is not absent the demise of such criminal ruling elites. Many appeared all-powerful just prior to their overthrow. To believe that a criminal ruling elite can hold power in the face of massive public opposition is to believe that the history of revolutions-past is false and never happened. And yet we know King George III was booted out of America, Czar Nicholas II was removed from power and executed as was King Louis XVI. Those are only the best-known cases.

The adoption of your position that basically seeks to mop up after the ongoing crimes of a ruling elite, while continuing to yield to that ruling elite, is to seal the fate of the future victims of the empire. While you may be helping today’s victims, you are doing no favor for tomorrow’s victims.

Yes, there is no evidence the 19 allegedhijackers were even on the planes, esp as several turned up alive the next day. Nor are there any security camera videos of the men at the airports they left from.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html
Theres also the anomaly of th Dancing Israelis:

‘A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.

The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming “middle-eastern” men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

“They were like happy, you know … They didn’t look shocked to me” said a witness. (3)
etc
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
The official 9-11 conspiracy theory suffers from a dearth of evidence and is riddled by these anomalies.

The entire ruling elite is complicit in the cover-up — including Republicans, Democrats and the mainstream media. When these criminals are found guilty, it will serve to expose the entire war in the Middle East as well as the “war on terror” as complete frauds. The revealing of the reality that massive death and destruction was inflicted upon the world as a way to forward U.S. hegemony can only have a positive effect upon the world — especially if a significant number of elite members within our own society are found guilty of crimes against humanity and subsequently executed.

Anyone who seriously wants to bring an end to the attrocities caused by an imperialist power should focus upon bringing the criminals of 9-11 to justice.

YES, I am familiar with the experts that you name. I have read many of their works and have seen some of them discussing your position at length on C-span. They are impressive. I have referred to Operation Northwoods in some of my articles. I remember the Maine (as they say in Maine) and I also have read about the alternative explanations. I take it as a given that the government of the usa is capable of almost anything – certainly capable of killing its own.

I believe that you would attract more to your side, if you showed a willingness to understand the affect that our foreign policy has had on those in other countries. It appears that you (and others in the 9/11 movement) place a greater value on the lives of those in this country. To many of us, that is offensive. I refuse to participate in “Anti-war Protests” unless they give equal respect to the Iraqi dead. Many will refuse to join your movement because of the same reason. It appears that you place a greater importance on the 3000 dead of “ours” than the millions of their dead.

Much of your movement is proving that our government lies to the people. Howard Zinn has been saying that for many years. Your efforts to expose the 9/11 lie are admirable. Some of us have chosen to concentrate our efforts on other government lies.

I do hope that you are aware of Project Mockingbird and Cointelpro programs conducted in the past by the U.S. of A. government. I do hope that you are aware of the history of CIA covert support for drug running, as revealed by the late Gary Webb. Are you aware of “Project Northwoods”? If not, you are going into battle missing crucial pieces of armor. I would be amazed if you did not know about the Chilean coup sponsored by the CIA. The list goes on.

If you don’t understand, at a deep level, the notions of disinformation, honey pots, false flags, poisoning the well, the big lie, agents provocateurs, and related concepts, you can make no sense of politics, either historically or in the current context. I do hope that you have more than a passing familiarity with such ideas. It is crucial that all activists do have this understanding. Otherwise, they get suckered time and again.

Rosemarie wrote: “One issue that I have with 9/11 conspiracy theorists is that they often seem to place a higher value on usa lives than the lives of those in other countries.”

Based on what you write here, I suspect you know little about the membership of 9/11 Truth. We are a mixed bag; some are right wing libertarians, some are liberals, many, such as myself, are humanists and socialists.

A noisy few are either mentally unbalanced or agents of disinformation. They are marginal, but damaging. The same thing, Cointelpro, occurred during the Vietnam war protests.

Many, many are scholars with very impressive credentials. Are you aware of the the scholarship of Dr. David Ray Griffin? Are you aware of the solid credential of Dr. Steven Jones? Are you familiar with the scholarship of Dr. Peter Dale Scott? Are you aware of the left-wing anti-war work of Dr. John McMurtry? How about Dr. Michael Keefer? Have you ever looked at the biography of humanist Barry Zwicker? Are you aware that the vast majority of major players and supporting players in the movement are anti-war in both weak and strong senses? Are you aware of the depth of talent in the movement? Why would you assume that those working on 9/11 Truth are unaware of the history of U.S. of A. imperialism? I assure you, this idea of yours that truth activists only care about deaths in the U.S. of A. is unsupportable. Why would you even make such a statement?

Sorry if my words sound harsh, but your claims on the lack of concern about foreign deaths shown by 9/11 truth activists are very annoying, and to me indicate that you posses a superficial acquaintance with the movement at best. My apologies if I am wrong.

By the way, the government line is also a conspiracy theory, but the weakest one around. It is not supported by any forensic evidence that has withstood scrutiny. If you want to be effective in your peace activism, get on board with 9/11 Truth – research the issues, meet with the mainstream scholars in the movement, read their works carefully, with an open mind. Read this collection, published by the prestigious publishing house Elsevier: 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, Vol. 1 (Paperback) by David Ray Griffin (Editor), Peter Dale Scott (Editor). You will certainly see a concern for all victims of imperialism, expressed by numerous authors.

Regards
Michael Zimmer
http://www.TheProgressiveMind.info

MAX…Thanks for the comment. My problem with Ron Paul is that he is too much of a capitalist . He seems to favor corporations over the people. 18,000 people die every year in the usa from lack of health care. That is like having a 9/11 every 60 days. Why does Ron Paul not support universal access to health care?

Brian…I agree that 9/11 is a lynchpin, but only one of many. One issue that I have with 9/11 conspiracy theorists is that they often seem to place a higher value on usa lives than the lives of those in other countries. Estimates of the number of killed Iraqis go up to 3 million since we started bombing in 1991. George Bush has stated in his speeches that the usa had not killed any Iraqis before 9/11. Are the conspiracy theorists in agreement with that GWB statement?

There isn’t even proof that 19 men hijacked those planes, and the piloting that took place isn’t humanly possible at top speed with a jumbo jet.

For a respectful dialog, I suggest Jackowski acquire a taste for reviewing cold forensic analysis and actually have something to say about the evidence; also avoid trying to feed us misplaced fears of international terrorism (domestic strife is far more threatening).

Adding to the climate of fearing ‘other’ will only cause Americans’ support for imperialist policies to intensify. Deep cultural change is necessary, of the sort that would have automatically concerned us with the loss of Iraqi lives from the start instead of dwelling on relatively low soldier casualties for years. People here generally have a low opinion of humankind where the only saving grace is one’s own familiar in-group(s); the greatest potential for dehumanization of others exists when the very fact of their common humanity is feared (or at best ignored). Myths of implacable enemies cannot be seared into our collective consciousness without an essential underlying misanthropy indulged by conservatives and liberals alike.

The disagreement amongst “experts” comes in large part from government shills and those who have not examined the work of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice http://stj911.org/, the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth. Read Griffin on Debunking 9/11 Debunking for instance. Read Barry Zwicker. By the way, if you are amongst those who consider James Meigs, Michael Chertoff, and others on the staff of Popular Mechanics staff as “experts”, I believe that you have been conned. I hope that this is not the case.

Regards
Michael Zimmer
http://www.TheProgressiveMind.info