Comments on: Senator Larry Craig in the Toilet http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/sen-larry-craig-in-the-toilet/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:59:33 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: bruce http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/sen-larry-craig-in-the-toilet/#comment-5139 bruce Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:41:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/sen-larry-craig-in-the-toilet/#comment-5139 Wow, Vic, you really beat Daniel down with your unanswerable logic. Of course there is a God, and he is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I have unrefutable visual proof right here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Touched_by_His_Noodly_Appendage.jpg Wow, Vic, you really beat Daniel down with your unanswerable logic. Of course there is a God, and he is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I have unrefutable visual proof right here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Touched_by_His_Noodly_Appendage.jpg

]]> By: Vic http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/sen-larry-craig-in-the-toilet/#comment-5095 Vic Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:31:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/sen-larry-craig-in-the-toilet/#comment-5095 Daniel, your take on religion is intriguing. Can you point to some well-thought out research that you did, where you arrived at the knowledge that God doesn't exist, based on some scientific examination of the empirical evidence? If I was going to claim to be an atheist, this is what I would need to feel confident in my assertion that there is no God. Please don't respond by challenging me to prove that there is a God, for it is you who who has stated his assertion that there is no God. This assertion of yours needs independant validation, no? Daniel, your take on religion is intriguing.
Can you point to some well-thought out research that you did, where you arrived at the knowledge that God doesn’t exist, based on some scientific examination of the empirical evidence? If I was going to claim to be an atheist, this is what I would need to feel confident in my assertion that there is no God. Please don’t respond by challenging me to prove that there is a God, for it is you who who has stated his assertion that there is no God. This assertion of yours needs independant validation, no?

]]> By: Daniel http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/sen-larry-craig-in-the-toilet/#comment-4970 Daniel Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:13:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/sen-larry-craig-in-the-toilet/#comment-4970 I don't know all the 'ins and outs' of these cases but find the gross hypocrisy unforgivable. As an atheist, the talk of sin and other such theo-babble I find is unhelpful. This is 2007 and there is not a shred of evidence to support any of the claims of religion. What does alarm me is the infinite duplicity of humans, their depravity, their savagery. We have made precious little progress towards nobility! I don’t know all the ‘ins and outs’ of these cases but find the gross hypocrisy unforgivable.

As an atheist, the talk of sin and other such theo-babble I find is unhelpful. This is 2007 and there is not a shred of evidence to support any of the claims of religion.

What does alarm me is the infinite duplicity of humans, their depravity, their savagery.

We have made precious little progress towards nobility!

]]> By: Thomas Hagedorn http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/sen-larry-craig-in-the-toilet/#comment-4936 Thomas Hagedorn Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:19:08 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/sen-larry-craig-in-the-toilet/#comment-4936 I'm both a libertarian and an evangelical, so I'm a bit conflicted on these issues to start with. In the personal sphere as a Christian, what he did was wrong, on several levels. First, it is what we call a "sin". That is when you violate God's law. We find the definition of what is a "sin" in an ancient document, called the Bible, that is supported by massive amounts of manuscript evidence and confirmed by archeological and other evidence. "Sin" usually almost always also harms yourself or another. He hurt himself, his wife, his children, his grandchildren,and the people he represents. In the public sphere as a libertarian, I have no problem if he had done this in a private place or, say, a bar where others are looking for the same thing. After all, that's what many hetersexuals do. But the anonymous sex in a public bathroom is not a good idea in this era of HIV and almost epidemic levels of sexually-transmitted diseases. Should the "state" be concerned about that? I think they should, just as they should have sanctions against heterosexual prostitution or anonymous sex. It is a public health risk. I’m both a libertarian and an evangelical, so I’m a bit conflicted on these issues to start with. In the personal sphere as a Christian, what he did was wrong, on several levels. First, it is what we call a “sin”. That is when you violate God’s law. We find the definition of what is a “sin” in an ancient document, called the Bible, that is supported by massive amounts of manuscript evidence and confirmed by archeological and other evidence. “Sin” usually almost always also harms yourself or another. He hurt himself, his wife, his children, his grandchildren,and the people he represents.

In the public sphere as a libertarian, I have no problem if he had done this in a private place or, say, a bar where others are looking for the same thing. After all, that’s what many hetersexuals do. But the anonymous sex in a public bathroom is not a good idea in this era of HIV and almost epidemic levels of sexually-transmitted diseases. Should the “state” be concerned about that? I think they should, just as they should have sanctions against heterosexual prostitution or anonymous sex. It is a public health risk.

]]> By: gerald spezio http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/sen-larry-craig-in-the-toilet/#comment-4906 gerald spezio Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:58:17 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/sen-larry-craig-in-the-toilet/#comment-4906 "But also sort of sad." No, absolutely tragic! Craig grew up in Supernation, knew enough gamesmanship and scumbagging to achieve the Senate, presented himself passionately and successfully as a champion of conservatism (values, values, values), and now (as he must) has hired lawyers and peeyar people to re-frame... “But also sort of sad.”

No, absolutely tragic!

Craig grew up in Supernation, knew enough gamesmanship and scumbagging to achieve the Senate, presented himself passionately and successfully as a champion of conservatism (values, values, values), and now (as he must) has hired lawyers and peeyar people to re-frame…

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