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		<title>By: Sterling</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/america%e2%80%99s-second-party/#comment-9267</link>
		<dc:creator>Sterling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i liked your article , but dont agree with public financing of campaigns , i tend to go the other way. here are my ideals

1. u can only donate to people u can vote for 
2. no pac&#039;s, corporate, lobbyist, or foreign donations
3. must be us citizen to vote 
4. unlimited donations but public list of the donors and how much they have given
5. 6 month campaign cycle 
6. no matching federal funds
7. no donations to political parties, the politicians can give a part of there raised funds to their own parties ( cause you cant vote for parties, but for people.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i liked your article , but dont agree with public financing of campaigns , i tend to go the other way. here are my ideals</p>
<p>1. u can only donate to people u can vote for<br />
2. no pac&#8217;s, corporate, lobbyist, or foreign donations<br />
3. must be us citizen to vote<br />
4. unlimited donations but public list of the donors and how much they have given<br />
5. 6 month campaign cycle<br />
6. no matching federal funds<br />
7. no donations to political parties, the politicians can give a part of there raised funds to their own parties ( cause you cant vote for parties, but for people.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Wells</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/america%e2%80%99s-second-party/#comment-4200</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article&#039;s title &quot;America’s Second Party&quot; caught my attention. Your realization that the Corporations rule the Federal Government through both corporatist parties, must now be considered a truism.  What is the alternative? Some kind of economy that is not capitalist. That is, some level or  form of socialism. 
   The corporate-capitalist dictatorship, through it&#039;s totalitarian ownserhip of the mass media,  has so indoctrinated several generations of Americans that it is almost impossible  to think critically about any socialist alternative whatever.  The degeneration of the Soviet Union into Stalinism didn&#039;t help! 
    Today Hugo Chavez and &quot;Bolivarian Socialism&quot; has nationalized the resources of Venezuela to benefit  it&#039;s peoples. The Bush/Cheney oil corporatists are incensed, especially since  one coup attempt failed.  They see all their projected profits escaping! Vast sums going to help all thos e &quot;pee-ons&quot; that the U.S. has exploited for over a century!  What an affront to greed!
    Socialistic ideas are as American as &quot;apple pie&quot;.  Back in the pre-Marx colonial days, the word was &quot;commonwealth&quot;, which came from the use of a &quot;commons&quot; or common grazing area.  
   Today we have public tax supported libraries,  universal public education, public roads, public utilities, and Social Security. To libertarians and capitalist propaganda pundits (note the rants of the Ayn Rand Institute),  such &quot;socialistic&quot; economic activities borders on &quot;immorality&quot; or is mortal threat to &quot;freedom&quot;.
    Putting aside the absurd rhetoric,  capitalists (and their &quot;Libertarian&quot; appologists) intrinsically must oppose everything that in any way limits, restricts, or reduces  the maximization of profit.  
     Social services are supported by TAXATION. The corporations and individuals who have most of the wealth have generally been taxed more than the rest of the people who little or no income or accumulated wealth. Thus the unending cry of Randians, Libertarians, Republicans is to &quot;Get Government of Our Backs!&quot;  And the cry is today under Bush/Cheney for Privatization! (read Plunder).
   We certainly do need a NEW PARTY, a party NOT FUNDED by corporate capitalism.  Here is my fantasy:

DUMP THE DEMOCRATS!
UNITE INTO A NEW PARTY NOW!

We the people, opposed to the destruction of the planet and it&#039;s peoples, now atomized and powerless in &quot;grass roots&quot; and &quot;special interest&quot; groups, must unite our efforts and resources into a new party to replace the corrupt Democratic Party! A new party that rejects corporate funding in order to end the corporate plunder of the federal government.

A new party explicitly opposed to the Project for the New American Century. Opposed to unending war for profit and power. Cut the military budget by 50%, shut down the 700 military bases around the world. Re-instate taxes cut by Bush gang.

A new party that commits the entire resources of the country to end global warming, end imperialist wars, implements true non-profit universal health care. promotes mass transportation, develops renewable energy, and produces the essentials for human survival.

A new party that promotes an economy that works towards fulfilling the economic needs of all the people, not just to profit a tiny minority of super wealthy. No more people living on the streets! No more hospitalized people being dumped into the streets when they have no money or health insurance! (See the film SICKO)

A new party to unite all of the oppressed people of this country. A new party that cuts across all the false social and cultural divisions that keep us forever powerless (racial, ethnic, age, language, etc.). A new party to unite us against the unending destruction of peoples and planet.

A SOCIALIST PARTY to promote the end of gangster capitalism, run-amok capitalism, which is supported by both Democratic and Republican parties.

A new party to support the labor movement and all working people. We urge the labor movement to stop supporting the Democratic Party (already besotted by corporate money), and to focus its precious resources to fund a new national radio and television network. By being on the air 24 hours a day the labor movement can provide the latest news, information, education and current affairs analysis desperately needed by all working people. This effort, combined with the formation of the new party, will be a bold step towards reviving the organized labor movement.

For years we have listened to radio programs like DEMOCRACY NOW! that has discussed with numerous &quot;grass roots&quot; groups desperately struggling to make a positive change in society. Anti-war protest groups, civil rights groups, union struggles, affordable housing groups, teachers unions, health care access, seniors about Social Security, have involved millions of people. Now is the time to unite the energy and resources of the people into a new party.

The new party provides a means of uniting the “special interest” agendas of each group into the platform of the new party. The new party candidates, selected from the various individuals and groups, would become the candidates representing their cause and the new party. The new party will contest for office at every level of government in order to take power. The new party will provide the new leadership and new programs this country desperately needs.

There is still time before November 2008 elections to start this process. Even the announcement and preparation for a founding convention of such a new party will shock both Democrats and Republican incumbents. They will know that their days are numbered!

The needs of all previous &quot;minority&quot; and &quot;special interests&quot; people now become the platform of the new party representing the vast majority of people. Can the existing activists of so-called “minority” and &quot;special interest&quot; groups overcome their existing powerlessness, and link up with each other to start this new party?

This all-inclusive struggle will attract millions of atomized working people, often non-voters and uninvolved people, who have been atomized, exploited, brain-washed by corporate media and ultimately destroyed by gangster capitalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article&#8217;s title &#8220;America’s Second Party&#8221; caught my attention. Your realization that the Corporations rule the Federal Government through both corporatist parties, must now be considered a truism.  What is the alternative? Some kind of economy that is not capitalist. That is, some level or  form of socialism.<br />
   The corporate-capitalist dictatorship, through it&#8217;s totalitarian ownserhip of the mass media,  has so indoctrinated several generations of Americans that it is almost impossible  to think critically about any socialist alternative whatever.  The degeneration of the Soviet Union into Stalinism didn&#8217;t help!<br />
    Today Hugo Chavez and &#8220;Bolivarian Socialism&#8221; has nationalized the resources of Venezuela to benefit  it&#8217;s peoples. The Bush/Cheney oil corporatists are incensed, especially since  one coup attempt failed.  They see all their projected profits escaping! Vast sums going to help all thos e &#8220;pee-ons&#8221; that the U.S. has exploited for over a century!  What an affront to greed!<br />
    Socialistic ideas are as American as &#8220;apple pie&#8221;.  Back in the pre-Marx colonial days, the word was &#8220;commonwealth&#8221;, which came from the use of a &#8220;commons&#8221; or common grazing area.<br />
   Today we have public tax supported libraries,  universal public education, public roads, public utilities, and Social Security. To libertarians and capitalist propaganda pundits (note the rants of the Ayn Rand Institute),  such &#8220;socialistic&#8221; economic activities borders on &#8220;immorality&#8221; or is mortal threat to &#8220;freedom&#8221;.<br />
    Putting aside the absurd rhetoric,  capitalists (and their &#8220;Libertarian&#8221; appologists) intrinsically must oppose everything that in any way limits, restricts, or reduces  the maximization of profit.<br />
     Social services are supported by TAXATION. The corporations and individuals who have most of the wealth have generally been taxed more than the rest of the people who little or no income or accumulated wealth. Thus the unending cry of Randians, Libertarians, Republicans is to &#8220;Get Government of Our Backs!&#8221;  And the cry is today under Bush/Cheney for Privatization! (read Plunder).<br />
   We certainly do need a NEW PARTY, a party NOT FUNDED by corporate capitalism.  Here is my fantasy:</p>
<p>DUMP THE DEMOCRATS!<br />
UNITE INTO A NEW PARTY NOW!</p>
<p>We the people, opposed to the destruction of the planet and it&#8217;s peoples, now atomized and powerless in &#8220;grass roots&#8221; and &#8220;special interest&#8221; groups, must unite our efforts and resources into a new party to replace the corrupt Democratic Party! A new party that rejects corporate funding in order to end the corporate plunder of the federal government.</p>
<p>A new party explicitly opposed to the Project for the New American Century. Opposed to unending war for profit and power. Cut the military budget by 50%, shut down the 700 military bases around the world. Re-instate taxes cut by Bush gang.</p>
<p>A new party that commits the entire resources of the country to end global warming, end imperialist wars, implements true non-profit universal health care. promotes mass transportation, develops renewable energy, and produces the essentials for human survival.</p>
<p>A new party that promotes an economy that works towards fulfilling the economic needs of all the people, not just to profit a tiny minority of super wealthy. No more people living on the streets! No more hospitalized people being dumped into the streets when they have no money or health insurance! (See the film SICKO)</p>
<p>A new party to unite all of the oppressed people of this country. A new party that cuts across all the false social and cultural divisions that keep us forever powerless (racial, ethnic, age, language, etc.). A new party to unite us against the unending destruction of peoples and planet.</p>
<p>A SOCIALIST PARTY to promote the end of gangster capitalism, run-amok capitalism, which is supported by both Democratic and Republican parties.</p>
<p>A new party to support the labor movement and all working people. We urge the labor movement to stop supporting the Democratic Party (already besotted by corporate money), and to focus its precious resources to fund a new national radio and television network. By being on the air 24 hours a day the labor movement can provide the latest news, information, education and current affairs analysis desperately needed by all working people. This effort, combined with the formation of the new party, will be a bold step towards reviving the organized labor movement.</p>
<p>For years we have listened to radio programs like DEMOCRACY NOW! that has discussed with numerous &#8220;grass roots&#8221; groups desperately struggling to make a positive change in society. Anti-war protest groups, civil rights groups, union struggles, affordable housing groups, teachers unions, health care access, seniors about Social Security, have involved millions of people. Now is the time to unite the energy and resources of the people into a new party.</p>
<p>The new party provides a means of uniting the “special interest” agendas of each group into the platform of the new party. The new party candidates, selected from the various individuals and groups, would become the candidates representing their cause and the new party. The new party will contest for office at every level of government in order to take power. The new party will provide the new leadership and new programs this country desperately needs.</p>
<p>There is still time before November 2008 elections to start this process. Even the announcement and preparation for a founding convention of such a new party will shock both Democrats and Republican incumbents. They will know that their days are numbered!</p>
<p>The needs of all previous &#8220;minority&#8221; and &#8220;special interests&#8221; people now become the platform of the new party representing the vast majority of people. Can the existing activists of so-called “minority” and &#8220;special interest&#8221; groups overcome their existing powerlessness, and link up with each other to start this new party?</p>
<p>This all-inclusive struggle will attract millions of atomized working people, often non-voters and uninvolved people, who have been atomized, exploited, brain-washed by corporate media and ultimately destroyed by gangster capitalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Syler</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/america%e2%80%99s-second-party/#comment-4191</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Syler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On your objections to Ron Paul: As the above poster implied, and as Ron himself has said, you don&#039;t judge someone by who supports them, you judge them by who and what they support. That racist organizations support Paul (if they do) doesn&#039;t make Paul racist any more than the fact that 9/11 truthers support Paul makes him a truther himself. It only means that they agree with enough of his platform to make him worth supporing in their eyes, NOT that he agrees with everything they believe!

As for the social safety net, no sane libertarian is calling for its immediate repeal. The best plan--and what Paul apparently supports (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst012405.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst012405.htm&lt;/a&gt;) is to allow people to opt out of Social Security if they please. That leaves the so-called &quot;safety net&quot; intact for those that need it, and frees everyone else to invest their money as they see fit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On your objections to Ron Paul: As the above poster implied, and as Ron himself has said, you don&#8217;t judge someone by who supports them, you judge them by who and what they support. That racist organizations support Paul (if they do) doesn&#8217;t make Paul racist any more than the fact that 9/11 truthers support Paul makes him a truther himself. It only means that they agree with enough of his platform to make him worth supporing in their eyes, NOT that he agrees with everything they believe!</p>
<p>As for the social safety net, no sane libertarian is calling for its immediate repeal. The best plan&#8211;and what Paul apparently supports (<a href="http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst012405.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst012405.htm</a>) is to allow people to opt out of Social Security if they please. That leaves the so-called &#8220;safety net&#8221; intact for those that need it, and frees everyone else to invest their money as they see fit.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/america%e2%80%99s-second-party/#comment-4183</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you are wrong about John Edwards, but I suspect you are right...Still, I&#039;ll probably vote for him if I hear something about returning SOME transparency to government....

Anyway, I am reading Howard Zinn&#039;s Peoples&#039; History of the United States 1492 - Present, and I have to say, while I think stripping corporations of personhood would be a bare beginning, the problems with this country go so much deeper than that. The founders and colonists of this country called themselves living Christian lives while they killed and enslaved.  The first three chapters of Howard Zinn&#039;s book are amazing in giving a frame of reference for us to understand the bind we find ourselves in, as a &#039;nation&#039; today.  We have all been played like cheap violins since forever and another way to appeal to every class of citizen is to use the ploys of the founding fathers, who were a group of rich men trying to establish their own status quo over England&#039;s.  They used the idea of Nation, and tricked people into believing that &#039;national interests&#039; existed, as opposed to their own agenda. So why not take it back now? Unwinnable, endless wars waged against ideologies, why not flip the script?  Using religion is too scary, too many variables. 
If you haven&#039;t already, please check out Howard Zinn&#039;s book. It&#039;s like a natural precursor to your article, and the most concise explanation of the nature of our nation I have seen so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you are wrong about John Edwards, but I suspect you are right&#8230;Still, I&#8217;ll probably vote for him if I hear something about returning SOME transparency to government&#8230;.</p>
<p>Anyway, I am reading Howard Zinn&#8217;s Peoples&#8217; History of the United States 1492 &#8211; Present, and I have to say, while I think stripping corporations of personhood would be a bare beginning, the problems with this country go so much deeper than that. The founders and colonists of this country called themselves living Christian lives while they killed and enslaved.  The first three chapters of Howard Zinn&#8217;s book are amazing in giving a frame of reference for us to understand the bind we find ourselves in, as a &#8216;nation&#8217; today.  We have all been played like cheap violins since forever and another way to appeal to every class of citizen is to use the ploys of the founding fathers, who were a group of rich men trying to establish their own status quo over England&#8217;s.  They used the idea of Nation, and tricked people into believing that &#8216;national interests&#8217; existed, as opposed to their own agenda. So why not take it back now? Unwinnable, endless wars waged against ideologies, why not flip the script?  Using religion is too scary, too many variables.<br />
If you haven&#8217;t already, please check out Howard Zinn&#8217;s book. It&#8217;s like a natural precursor to your article, and the most concise explanation of the nature of our nation I have seen so far.</p>
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		<title>By: KES</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/america%e2%80%99s-second-party/#comment-4182</link>
		<dc:creator>KES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article.  I&#039;m on the same page as you, but, like the other posters, I&#039;m seeing Ron Paul as a mechanized B-B collector.  Spread the message and you&#039;ll be amazed at the number of B-B&#039;s that will find there way into Ron Paul&#039;s corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article.  I&#8217;m on the same page as you, but, like the other posters, I&#8217;m seeing Ron Paul as a mechanized B-B collector.  Spread the message and you&#8217;ll be amazed at the number of B-B&#8217;s that will find there way into Ron Paul&#8217;s corner.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/america%e2%80%99s-second-party/#comment-4181</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great article; but what&#039;s with the &quot;Ron Paul won&#039;t win&quot; thing? It&#039;s still months and months away; the sky is the limit. His biggest opposition is this psychological warfare the media plays, saying that he&#039;s a kook, who has a shot in hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great article; but what&#8217;s with the &#8220;Ron Paul won&#8217;t win&#8221; thing? It&#8217;s still months and months away; the sky is the limit. His biggest opposition is this psychological warfare the media plays, saying that he&#8217;s a kook, who has a shot in hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Case Wagenvoord</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/america%e2%80%99s-second-party/#comment-4178</link>
		<dc:creator>Case Wagenvoord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

Hell, I&#039;m always arguing with myself.  You raise a good point,though.  If the second party hopes to generate cross-over support, we will take in some unsvory types.  I believe it was FDR who said, &quot;They may be bastards, but they&#039;re our bastards.&quot;

My biggest issue with the Libertarian Party is that in advocating shrinking government, they fail to realize that if we are to restore our democratic freedom, we must reduce the size of our corporations as well.  Free market ideology is choking us.  I admit that I am not as well read on the Libertarian platform as I should be, so feel free to correct me.

Anon.

One of the keys of public financing of elections is the requirement that the FCC offer free airtime.  This would greatly reduce campaign expenses.  Who would be included or excluded would depend upon how the law was written.  You are correct in saying that it is possible fringe candidates would be excluded, but they are certainly excluded under the present system.

I don&#039;t agree with your interpretation of the social safety net and the Constitution.  The concept of a social safety net is embedded in our Declaration of Independence.   When Jefferson spoke of the &quot;pursuit of happiness,&quot; he wasn&#039;t refering to pathological consumerism.  He used the work in the eighteenth century sense of the common welfare, or common weal as it was called.  It meant that no community could be happy as long as one of its members was in want of life&#039;s necessities.

I would also draw your attention to Article IX of the Bill of Rights which states, &quot;The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.&quot;  Food, shelter and clothing are certainly basic rights to which all are entitled.

Thank you for your stimulating comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Hell, I&#8217;m always arguing with myself.  You raise a good point,though.  If the second party hopes to generate cross-over support, we will take in some unsvory types.  I believe it was FDR who said, &#8220;They may be bastards, but they&#8217;re our bastards.&#8221;</p>
<p>My biggest issue with the Libertarian Party is that in advocating shrinking government, they fail to realize that if we are to restore our democratic freedom, we must reduce the size of our corporations as well.  Free market ideology is choking us.  I admit that I am not as well read on the Libertarian platform as I should be, so feel free to correct me.</p>
<p>Anon.</p>
<p>One of the keys of public financing of elections is the requirement that the FCC offer free airtime.  This would greatly reduce campaign expenses.  Who would be included or excluded would depend upon how the law was written.  You are correct in saying that it is possible fringe candidates would be excluded, but they are certainly excluded under the present system.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with your interpretation of the social safety net and the Constitution.  The concept of a social safety net is embedded in our Declaration of Independence.   When Jefferson spoke of the &#8220;pursuit of happiness,&#8221; he wasn&#8217;t refering to pathological consumerism.  He used the work in the eighteenth century sense of the common welfare, or common weal as it was called.  It meant that no community could be happy as long as one of its members was in want of life&#8217;s necessities.</p>
<p>I would also draw your attention to Article IX of the Bill of Rights which states, &#8220;The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.&#8221;  Food, shelter and clothing are certainly basic rights to which all are entitled.</p>
<p>Thank you for your stimulating comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Marsh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/america%e2%80%99s-second-party/#comment-4173</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a problem with the idea of public financing of elections, although I agree that corporate money is a huge problem.  With public financing, we&#039;d be putting the power of selection of viable candidates in the hands of the FEC or some new government agency.   Does anyone actually believe that this will result in anything but denial of funds to anyone considered &quot;fringe&quot;?    Would Libertarians, most of whom would refuse the government money on principle anyway, then be forever banned from running for office on anything but a zero budget?  Individuals should be free to support the candidate of their choice they way they see fit.  I certainly don&#039;t want my tax dollars supporting Repo-Crats.  Why not just ban corporate, government and PAC money, and put the power in the hands of the people where it belongs?

Much of what you have to say is in Ron Paul&#039;s platform already.  Freedom might well benefit some racists, but only because it benefits everyone.  I&#039;m OK with that.  The social safety net is unconstitutional at the federal level, plain and simple.  Either change the Constitution, or stick to it as it is.  Ignoring it is what got us where we are in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a problem with the idea of public financing of elections, although I agree that corporate money is a huge problem.  With public financing, we&#8217;d be putting the power of selection of viable candidates in the hands of the FEC or some new government agency.   Does anyone actually believe that this will result in anything but denial of funds to anyone considered &#8220;fringe&#8221;?    Would Libertarians, most of whom would refuse the government money on principle anyway, then be forever banned from running for office on anything but a zero budget?  Individuals should be free to support the candidate of their choice they way they see fit.  I certainly don&#8217;t want my tax dollars supporting Repo-Crats.  Why not just ban corporate, government and PAC money, and put the power in the hands of the people where it belongs?</p>
<p>Much of what you have to say is in Ron Paul&#8217;s platform already.  Freedom might well benefit some racists, but only because it benefits everyone.  I&#8217;m OK with that.  The social safety net is unconstitutional at the federal level, plain and simple.  Either change the Constitution, or stick to it as it is.  Ignoring it is what got us where we are in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/america%e2%80%99s-second-party/#comment-4172</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting...  I agree with much of what you have to say.  (I was a little worried for a paragraph or two that you were going to drift into socialism but realized you were arguing to strip personhood from corporations which is a key step to our future success).

I do disagree with your statements about Ron Paul.  And quite frankly, I don&#039;t care who else supports him.  I support his ideas.  And from your very own logic, where you state we need someone to appeal to all from redneck to hippie to hiphop, but on the other side argue that he may have supporters that you don&#039;t like (which I have yet to see any evidence to support that claim) so you won&#039;t support him.  Odd mix of logic.

If anyone is allowed to speak long enough they will eventually start arguing with themselves though so I won&#039;t hold that against you.

Ron Paul embodies much, if not all of what you believe should be, so how about helping us pitch BB&#039;s faster... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230;  I agree with much of what you have to say.  (I was a little worried for a paragraph or two that you were going to drift into socialism but realized you were arguing to strip personhood from corporations which is a key step to our future success).</p>
<p>I do disagree with your statements about Ron Paul.  And quite frankly, I don&#8217;t care who else supports him.  I support his ideas.  And from your very own logic, where you state we need someone to appeal to all from redneck to hippie to hiphop, but on the other side argue that he may have supporters that you don&#8217;t like (which I have yet to see any evidence to support that claim) so you won&#8217;t support him.  Odd mix of logic.</p>
<p>If anyone is allowed to speak long enough they will eventually start arguing with themselves though so I won&#8217;t hold that against you.</p>
<p>Ron Paul embodies much, if not all of what you believe should be, so how about helping us pitch BB&#8217;s faster&#8230; :)</p>
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