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	<title>Comments on: Academic Freedom on Trial: Norman Finkelstein and the Minority Report</title>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-57184</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finkelstein&#039;s  work is well regarded here in Australia and the decision made by De Paul has been noted in Australian universities and is the subject of much undergraduate and post graduate discussion.  The choice to search for a few lame points that conceal a buckling to lobbying by power groups is a sign of the end of US academia. I doubt if Chomsky was fabricating a story when he stated that the political science faculty at De Paul actually had to contact Dershowitz and ask him to back off on the pressure he was applying as it had reached the point of stupidity?   Is it true they told him to relax as it was a &#039;done deal?&#039; This is being explored at length in Australia and faculty heads in numerous Australian institutions are disturbed.
Make no mistake, if De Paul think that their international reputation has been maintained by denying tenure to Finkelstein then they are living in a micro climate where they can walk up and down the hallways all day stroking each others egos but the  universities around the globe saw your  actions and read your small mined findings. Shame on De Paul. 

Its a reflection of a wider shift in US thinking and policy. The time has come for you fools to ask why the majority of the planet has had enough of your games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finkelstein&#8217;s  work is well regarded here in Australia and the decision made by De Paul has been noted in Australian universities and is the subject of much undergraduate and post graduate discussion.  The choice to search for a few lame points that conceal a buckling to lobbying by power groups is a sign of the end of US academia. I doubt if Chomsky was fabricating a story when he stated that the political science faculty at De Paul actually had to contact Dershowitz and ask him to back off on the pressure he was applying as it had reached the point of stupidity?   Is it true they told him to relax as it was a &#8216;done deal?&#8217; This is being explored at length in Australia and faculty heads in numerous Australian institutions are disturbed.<br />
Make no mistake, if De Paul think that their international reputation has been maintained by denying tenure to Finkelstein then they are living in a micro climate where they can walk up and down the hallways all day stroking each others egos but the  universities around the globe saw your  actions and read your small mined findings. Shame on De Paul. </p>
<p>Its a reflection of a wider shift in US thinking and policy. The time has come for you fools to ask why the majority of the planet has had enough of your games.</p>
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		<title>By: Pratik</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4933</link>
		<dc:creator>Pratik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denial of tenure to the scholar of Prof Finkelstein&#039;s calibre demonstrates incredible and unjust influence of Jewish lobby in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denial of tenure to the scholar of Prof Finkelstein&#8217;s calibre demonstrates incredible and unjust influence of Jewish lobby in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Richardson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4768</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I  believe Finkelstein is selling books, not protesting academic freedom. He has had the free academic rreign to move from university to university, and to publish his work in mainstream media.  

If you want to see real academic suppression, check out Edward Abboud
www.voxpublishing.com/Author.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I  believe Finkelstein is selling books, not protesting academic freedom. He has had the free academic rreign to move from university to university, and to publish his work in mainstream media.  </p>
<p>If you want to see real academic suppression, check out Edward Abboud<br />
<a href="http://www.voxpublishing.com/Author.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.voxpublishing.com/Author.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: DEB-Z</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4671</link>
		<dc:creator>DEB-Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaime,
I see you are still here...Do you work for the LOBBY?
You do not understand, I am for peace, the Palestine people were
removed from their homes and many killed very much the same way
the Jewish people were killed in Europe.  How can we a humans on this planet desire this to continue without trying to reach a peaceful settlement?  However, I am sure you keep up with all of the books on historical facts with supporting documents and references such as Professor Finkelstein does have in his books...His books are footnoted with references and pages from sources...I guess you read all books about the Israel-Palestine conflict and know about referencing!
Not like another professor from the ivy tower....I am sure you have read and compared both sets of books.
Professor Finkelstein does NOT have to teach in Iran!  He had a full enrollment for his fall classes in an AMERICAN UNIVERSITY!!!!
Students and Faculty support him.   Students want to participate in Dr. Finkelstein&#039;s classes....you are missing the point!!!
I think he is a man of peace, a person of great intellectual understanding, and compassion.    
Any university, country, or religion should be proud to have him as part of their group.  If I taught at DePaul or even lived near there I would for sure be there to show my support.  
However, I have a senior high student that I am doing college visits with now.  I am asking questions and trying to get information about &quot;lobby&quot; influencing classes now and a feel for FREEDOM on the campus...this is sadly lacking at DePaul.  I do not want my child educated in an enviroment with faculty like &quot;Chuck&quot; Suchar employed there!!!  I am sure I will be paying over $30,000 per year and I take the
job of finding a good university very seriously.
I do not need to go to DePaul I see enough predjudice here just in the
Boston area; last month with the &quot;lobby&quot; against the Armenian
Geneocide...saying that it never took place!!!  Why...perhaps it appears
because of the Turkish relationship with Israel...
Over and over again the same song...I am sick of hearing it...brainwashing and spoon feeding history that they invent without
referencing the facts!  Time to let students be exposed to history that is followed up with excellent research....
Oh I have been trying to find books by the intellectual  judge
&quot;Chuck&quot; Suchar...any names and titles so I can see his academic ability
to judge Dr. Finkerstein&#039;s work?
Oh Jaime...nice chatting with you again...I am sure if we met we would
have a very interesting discussion!...but sometimes that is how understandings and compromising is done...hope to share further discussions with you in the future. 
A mother for peace and equality (Women In Black; read about their work and goals.  Work for world peace for our children, families, and neighbors...extend your hand.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaime,<br />
I see you are still here&#8230;Do you work for the LOBBY?<br />
You do not understand, I am for peace, the Palestine people were<br />
removed from their homes and many killed very much the same way<br />
the Jewish people were killed in Europe.  How can we a humans on this planet desire this to continue without trying to reach a peaceful settlement?  However, I am sure you keep up with all of the books on historical facts with supporting documents and references such as Professor Finkelstein does have in his books&#8230;His books are footnoted with references and pages from sources&#8230;I guess you read all books about the Israel-Palestine conflict and know about referencing!<br />
Not like another professor from the ivy tower&#8230;.I am sure you have read and compared both sets of books.<br />
Professor Finkelstein does NOT have to teach in Iran!  He had a full enrollment for his fall classes in an AMERICAN UNIVERSITY!!!!<br />
Students and Faculty support him.   Students want to participate in Dr. Finkelstein&#8217;s classes&#8230;.you are missing the point!!!<br />
I think he is a man of peace, a person of great intellectual understanding, and compassion.<br />
Any university, country, or religion should be proud to have him as part of their group.  If I taught at DePaul or even lived near there I would for sure be there to show my support.<br />
However, I have a senior high student that I am doing college visits with now.  I am asking questions and trying to get information about &#8220;lobby&#8221; influencing classes now and a feel for FREEDOM on the campus&#8230;this is sadly lacking at DePaul.  I do not want my child educated in an enviroment with faculty like &#8220;Chuck&#8221; Suchar employed there!!!  I am sure I will be paying over $30,000 per year and I take the<br />
job of finding a good university very seriously.<br />
I do not need to go to DePaul I see enough predjudice here just in the<br />
Boston area; last month with the &#8220;lobby&#8221; against the Armenian<br />
Geneocide&#8230;saying that it never took place!!!  Why&#8230;perhaps it appears<br />
because of the Turkish relationship with Israel&#8230;<br />
Over and over again the same song&#8230;I am sick of hearing it&#8230;brainwashing and spoon feeding history that they invent without<br />
referencing the facts!  Time to let students be exposed to history that is followed up with excellent research&#8230;.<br />
Oh I have been trying to find books by the intellectual  judge<br />
&#8220;Chuck&#8221; Suchar&#8230;any names and titles so I can see his academic ability<br />
to judge Dr. Finkerstein&#8217;s work?<br />
Oh Jaime&#8230;nice chatting with you again&#8230;I am sure if we met we would<br />
have a very interesting discussion!&#8230;but sometimes that is how understandings and compromising is done&#8230;hope to share further discussions with you in the future.<br />
A mother for peace and equality (Women In Black; read about their work and goals.  Work for world peace for our children, families, and neighbors&#8230;extend your hand.)</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4626</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa! No need to &quot;shout,&quot; Deb.

No need to get all hysterical. But here&#039;s a suggestion. Get your women in black to dress up in their finest and do a BLOCKADE of De Paul. 

Refuse to let anyone enter or leave the campus in protest. And bring some rocks and sticks and couple of Hezbollah flags and maybe  posters of Nasrallah and Bin Laden and Che  to demonstrate your peaceful intentions. 

Actually, it seems to me that all these protests, and harassment of  DePaul management has finally paid off.  Mr. Finkelstein can now devot full attention to moving to Iran for his full professorship at Teheran University.

Meanwhile DePaul is paying him his benefits and wages for the year. 
So it&#039;s all good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa! No need to &#8220;shout,&#8221; Deb.</p>
<p>No need to get all hysterical. But here&#8217;s a suggestion. Get your women in black to dress up in their finest and do a BLOCKADE of De Paul. </p>
<p>Refuse to let anyone enter or leave the campus in protest. And bring some rocks and sticks and couple of Hezbollah flags and maybe  posters of Nasrallah and Bin Laden and Che  to demonstrate your peaceful intentions. </p>
<p>Actually, it seems to me that all these protests, and harassment of  DePaul management has finally paid off.  Mr. Finkelstein can now devot full attention to moving to Iran for his full professorship at Teheran University.</p>
<p>Meanwhile DePaul is paying him his benefits and wages for the year.<br />
So it&#8217;s all good.</p>
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		<title>By: DEB-Z</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4585</link>
		<dc:creator>DEB-Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DEPAUL INFORMATION ABOUT CLASSES CANCELLED AND LETTER
FROM HIS STUDENTS ETC. @ WWW.NORMANFINKELSTEIN.COM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DEPAUL INFORMATION ABOUT CLASSES CANCELLED AND LETTER<br />
FROM HIS STUDENTS ETC. @ <a href="http://WWW.NORMANFINKELSTEIN.COM" rel="nofollow">http://WWW.NORMANFINKELSTEIN.COM</a></p>
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		<title>By: DEB-Z</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4584</link>
		<dc:creator>DEB-Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PROFESSOR FINKELSTEIN&#039;S CLASSES  FOR THE FALL ARE CANCELLED!!!  THIS DESPITE FULL ENROLLMENT!!!
DEPAUL WILL NOT EVEN ALLOW HIM TO USE HIS OFFICE THIS YEAR,
ETC.... 
I UNDERSTAND IT FROM PRIOR POSTS, TELL ME IF I AM WRONG,
A YEAR&#039;S NOTICE IS REQUIRED IF CONTRACT IS NOT RENEWED.  
IS THIS THE CASE WITH OTHER PROFESSORS FROM DEPAUL THAT DO NOT GET RENEWED CONTRACTS???
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS CASE AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR
THIS???  WILL THEIR BE A LEGAL REVIEW???
DO AMERICANS RUN THE USA COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES OR ARE THEY CONTROLED INSTITUTIONS WITH THE LOBBIES
DICTATING WHAT WE CAN KNOW ABOUT CULTURES AND HISTORY...
IF IT IS NOT BY THEIR APPROVAL THEN THE PROFESSOR GETS
AXED???  
THIS IS LIKE MCCARTHY IS IN THE FORM OF A LOBBY GROUP WITH
EXTREME SPECIAL INTERESTS AND BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS...
WHO IS WORKING FOR THESE INSTRUCTORS TO BE SURE THEY HAVE
THEIR DAY IN HEARINGS, INVESTIGATIONS, AND LIDIGATIONS???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PROFESSOR FINKELSTEIN&#8217;S CLASSES  FOR THE FALL ARE CANCELLED!!!  THIS DESPITE FULL ENROLLMENT!!!<br />
DEPAUL WILL NOT EVEN ALLOW HIM TO USE HIS OFFICE THIS YEAR,<br />
ETC&#8230;.<br />
I UNDERSTAND IT FROM PRIOR POSTS, TELL ME IF I AM WRONG,<br />
A YEAR&#8217;S NOTICE IS REQUIRED IF CONTRACT IS NOT RENEWED.<br />
IS THIS THE CASE WITH OTHER PROFESSORS FROM DEPAUL THAT DO NOT GET RENEWED CONTRACTS???<br />
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS CASE AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR<br />
THIS???  WILL THEIR BE A LEGAL REVIEW???<br />
DO AMERICANS RUN THE USA COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES OR ARE THEY CONTROLED INSTITUTIONS WITH THE LOBBIES<br />
DICTATING WHAT WE CAN KNOW ABOUT CULTURES AND HISTORY&#8230;<br />
IF IT IS NOT BY THEIR APPROVAL THEN THE PROFESSOR GETS<br />
AXED???<br />
THIS IS LIKE MCCARTHY IS IN THE FORM OF A LOBBY GROUP WITH<br />
EXTREME SPECIAL INTERESTS AND BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS&#8230;<br />
WHO IS WORKING FOR THESE INSTRUCTORS TO BE SURE THEY HAVE<br />
THEIR DAY IN HEARINGS, INVESTIGATIONS, AND LIDIGATIONS???</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Williams</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4056</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, Jaime, you avoid any substantive discussion of Finkelstein&#039;s work. Not a surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, Jaime, you avoid any substantive discussion of Finkelstein&#8217;s work. Not a surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: JE</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4053</link>
		<dc:creator>JE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, 

I&#039;m not sure but I think it&#039;s pretty difficult to mistake an &quot;n&quot; at the bottom of the keyboard for a &quot;t&quot; at the top.  

And why do fascists all label dilligent pursuit of the facts as pretentiousness?  Seems to me like a indolent way of eschewing an actual debate on the facts.  

From my experience that&#039;s what seperates a reactionary like yourself, Bill, from anyone wants to lead a reality-based life  and contribute to meaningful change in our society.  You use  your narrow and nebulous ideology, consciously or unconsciouly, to strain out any facts that might hurt your argument.  Anarchists like myself don&#039;t have the luxury of being as indoctrinated as you and so we prefer to look at the facts first and then look and them a second a third and fourth time and then formulate a tentative hypothesis on where the truth might actually lie.  It&#039;s a bit like the Scientific Method you see and it&#039;s the closest humanity with ever come to objectivity in the political areana.   

I say don&#039;t waste your typos trying to convince people here you&#039;re right.  it&#039;s not going to work.  I suspect most of the people here, save those lucky enough to be raised by activists, took long and tortuous route to find a place where they wouldn&#039;t be goaded by bored trolling fascists with little better to do than annoy people they disagree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure but I think it&#8217;s pretty difficult to mistake an &#8220;n&#8221; at the bottom of the keyboard for a &#8220;t&#8221; at the top.  </p>
<p>And why do fascists all label dilligent pursuit of the facts as pretentiousness?  Seems to me like a indolent way of eschewing an actual debate on the facts.  </p>
<p>From my experience that&#8217;s what seperates a reactionary like yourself, Bill, from anyone wants to lead a reality-based life  and contribute to meaningful change in our society.  You use  your narrow and nebulous ideology, consciously or unconsciouly, to strain out any facts that might hurt your argument.  Anarchists like myself don&#8217;t have the luxury of being as indoctrinated as you and so we prefer to look at the facts first and then look and them a second a third and fourth time and then formulate a tentative hypothesis on where the truth might actually lie.  It&#8217;s a bit like the Scientific Method you see and it&#8217;s the closest humanity with ever come to objectivity in the political areana.   </p>
<p>I say don&#8217;t waste your typos trying to convince people here you&#8217;re right.  it&#8217;s not going to work.  I suspect most of the people here, save those lucky enough to be raised by activists, took long and tortuous route to find a place where they wouldn&#8217;t be goaded by bored trolling fascists with little better to do than annoy people they disagree with.</p>
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		<title>By: JE</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4051</link>
		<dc:creator>JE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie

So does De Paul University, apparently.&quot;

did you even read the above article? 

Your lies stem from your generalizations...the president and a minority of faculty doesn&#039;t not constiute Depaul university...call it semantics but if you are going to form a cogent argument you have think of these things before you put on the court jester&#039;s hat for our entertainment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie</p>
<p>So does De Paul University, apparently.&#8221;</p>
<p>did you even read the above article? </p>
<p>Your lies stem from your generalizations&#8230;the president and a minority of faculty doesn&#8217;t not constiute Depaul university&#8230;call it semantics but if you are going to form a cogent argument you have think of these things before you put on the court jester&#8217;s hat for our entertainment.</p>
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		<title>By: JE</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4050</link>
		<dc:creator>JE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear jamie,

You really need to do some research before you go around acting like you know anything about the AIM...clearly you know less than nothing.  It took me approxiamately five minutes to find information discrediting your disinformation. 

Simply put the AIM split years ago over ideological differences...

&quot;As is true with many national liberation movements (PLO, African National Congress), ideological differences emerged within AIM over the years. In 1993, AIM split into two main factions, each claiming that it was the authentic inheritor of the AIM tradition, and that the other had betrayed the original prinicples of the movement. One group, Based in Minneapolis, MN and associated with the Bellecourts, is known as the AIM-Grand Governing Council, while the other segment of the movement, led by, among others, Russell Means, was named AIM-International Confederation of Autonomous Chapters.?

Now conveniently the AIM-Grand Governing Council which you cited as a credible source on Ward Churchil obviously has an axe to grind with Russell Means and Ward Churchill.  Ergo while you ironically state &quot;Here’s what the AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT (Not ADL, not Dershowitz, etc.) has to say about Mr. Churchill.&quot; You are infact using a source that is MORE biased on this issue than the your lovely red herrings.  

My question to you is why to obsesssive right wing trolls find in necessary to go on to leftist website and think we make a toast to them, grape kool-aid in hand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear jamie,</p>
<p>You really need to do some research before you go around acting like you know anything about the AIM&#8230;clearly you know less than nothing.  It took me approxiamately five minutes to find information discrediting your disinformation. </p>
<p>Simply put the AIM split years ago over ideological differences&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;As is true with many national liberation movements (PLO, African National Congress), ideological differences emerged within AIM over the years. In 1993, AIM split into two main factions, each claiming that it was the authentic inheritor of the AIM tradition, and that the other had betrayed the original prinicples of the movement. One group, Based in Minneapolis, MN and associated with the Bellecourts, is known as the AIM-Grand Governing Council, while the other segment of the movement, led by, among others, Russell Means, was named AIM-International Confederation of Autonomous Chapters.?</p>
<p>Now conveniently the AIM-Grand Governing Council which you cited as a credible source on Ward Churchil obviously has an axe to grind with Russell Means and Ward Churchill.  Ergo while you ironically state &#8220;Here’s what the AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT (Not ADL, not Dershowitz, etc.) has to say about Mr. Churchill.&#8221; You are infact using a source that is MORE biased on this issue than the your lovely red herrings.  </p>
<p>My question to you is why to obsesssive right wing trolls find in necessary to go on to leftist website and think we make a toast to them, grape kool-aid in hand?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Williams</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4048</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be willing to wager, given what he&#039;s written above, that Arthur Ranscombe actually knows *less* that Jaime about Finkelstein&#039;s writings, despite the pretentions of learnedness. That&#039;s no mean feat.  If Ranscombe has done just a meticulous job of documenting Finkelstein&#039;s errors in Beyond Chutzpah and Image and Reality, it&#039;s a wonder a serious publisher hasn&#039;t extended him an advance contract for a book.  Perhaps the University of California Press is knocking at his door as I type this sentence. Another charlatan, indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be willing to wager, given what he&#8217;s written above, that Arthur Ranscombe actually knows *less* that Jaime about Finkelstein&#8217;s writings, despite the pretentions of learnedness. That&#8217;s no mean feat.  If Ranscombe has done just a meticulous job of documenting Finkelstein&#8217;s errors in Beyond Chutzpah and Image and Reality, it&#8217;s a wonder a serious publisher hasn&#8217;t extended him an advance contract for a book.  Perhaps the University of California Press is knocking at his door as I type this sentence. Another charlatan, indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
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		<description>Arthur,
I&#039;d be very interested to see that forensic analysis. Not much point in posting it here, but kindly send  a copy to:
jantecol@yahoo.com

Much appreciated!

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arthur,<br />
I&#8217;d be very interested to see that forensic analysis. Not much point in posting it here, but kindly send  a copy to:<br />
<a href="mailto:&#x6a;&#x61;&#x6e;&#x74;&#x65;&#x63;&#x6f;&#x6c;&#x40;&#x79;&#x61;&#x68;&#x6f;&#x6f;&#x2e;&#x63;om">&#x6a;&#x61;&#x6e;&#x74;&#x65;&#x63;&#x6f;&#x6c;&#x40;&#x79;&#x61;&#x68;&#x6f;&#x6f;&#x2e;&#x63;om</a></p>
<p>Much appreciated!</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Petersen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4044</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Petersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is obvious that jaime and arthur ranscombe have nothing substantive to say and are just flinging mud</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is obvious that jaime and arthur ranscombe have nothing substantive to say and are just flinging mud</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Williams</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4039</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as I suspected: Since Jaime can&#039;t intelligently discuss, much less name, a single of NGF&#039;s books, Jaime goes off in a different--and I might add--irrelevant direction. Jaime: Can you name the family Finkelstein stays with in the West Bank, the family he repeatedly mentions in his The Rise and Fall of Palestine: A Personal Account of the Intifada Years. Better yet, tell us to whom Finkelstein dedicates his _Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History_. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve read both of these books carefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as I suspected: Since Jaime can&#8217;t intelligently discuss, much less name, a single of NGF&#8217;s books, Jaime goes off in a different&#8211;and I might add&#8211;irrelevant direction. Jaime: Can you name the family Finkelstein stays with in the West Bank, the family he repeatedly mentions in his The Rise and Fall of Palestine: A Personal Account of the Intifada Years. Better yet, tell us to whom Finkelstein dedicates his _Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History_. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve read both of these books carefully.</p>
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		<title>By: arthur ranscombe</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4038</link>
		<dc:creator>arthur ranscombe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Williams,

         I have read all Norman Finkelstein books. They are just hackneyed polemics. You won&#039;t learn anything from them.

         If you turn to page 59 of his book Holocaust Industry, you will find this unscholarly passage which, inter alia, led to his being shown the door: &quot;The Holocaust memoirs of the survivors are fraudulent and few Nazi concentration camp guards were sadists.&quot;

 DePaul was too kind to him. If  I were the President of that university, I would have strangled him on the spot.

 I have a copy of the forensic analysis done on this book by the World Association of Treblinka and Bergen-Belsen Concentration Camps. It is part of a class action suit they were about to bring against Finkelstein and DePaul (for harboring him)  before he was kicked out. 

Any time you want to read the 119 fraudulent and bogus comments in this book of Finkelstein&#039;s please let me know.

Oh, by the way, Finkelstein&#039;s book Image and Reality in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict contains over 300 factual errors, besides the tendentious comments.

And if you want me to really get going, I am prepared to sit down with you and go over the 413 factual errors and phony source citations contained in the Finkelstein book called Beyond Chutzpah.

Yes, I have also dissected Finkelstein&#039;s Ph.D. thesis, his book whitewashing Nazi Germany and his travelog on his time with the Palestinian Arab Muslims in 1995. I also have collected all his tapes, speeches and articles. They are filled with malignant fabrications of history and testify to a distorted mind-set.

I apologize for upsetting you. I know you don&#039;t like to hear bad news. But the truth about Finkelstein will come out sooner or later despite all the attempts by blogs such as this one to censor freedom of speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Williams,</p>
<p>         I have read all Norman Finkelstein books. They are just hackneyed polemics. You won&#8217;t learn anything from them.</p>
<p>         If you turn to page 59 of his book Holocaust Industry, you will find this unscholarly passage which, inter alia, led to his being shown the door: &#8220;The Holocaust memoirs of the survivors are fraudulent and few Nazi concentration camp guards were sadists.&#8221;</p>
<p> DePaul was too kind to him. If  I were the President of that university, I would have strangled him on the spot.</p>
<p> I have a copy of the forensic analysis done on this book by the World Association of Treblinka and Bergen-Belsen Concentration Camps. It is part of a class action suit they were about to bring against Finkelstein and DePaul (for harboring him)  before he was kicked out. </p>
<p>Any time you want to read the 119 fraudulent and bogus comments in this book of Finkelstein&#8217;s please let me know.</p>
<p>Oh, by the way, Finkelstein&#8217;s book Image and Reality in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict contains over 300 factual errors, besides the tendentious comments.</p>
<p>And if you want me to really get going, I am prepared to sit down with you and go over the 413 factual errors and phony source citations contained in the Finkelstein book called Beyond Chutzpah.</p>
<p>Yes, I have also dissected Finkelstein&#8217;s Ph.D. thesis, his book whitewashing Nazi Germany and his travelog on his time with the Palestinian Arab Muslims in 1995. I also have collected all his tapes, speeches and articles. They are filled with malignant fabrications of history and testify to a distorted mind-set.</p>
<p>I apologize for upsetting you. I know you don&#8217;t like to hear bad news. But the truth about Finkelstein will come out sooner or later despite all the attempts by blogs such as this one to censor freedom of speech.</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Bill, 

obviously our interpretations of  Finkelstein&#039;s work differ.

I think Finkelstein is an idiot.  So does De Paul University, apparently.

You can jump to whatever hysterical conclusions you want. 

I&#039;m not your &quot;errand boy.&quot;  Go find one of your &quot;friends&quot; to challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Bill, </p>
<p>obviously our interpretations of  Finkelstein&#8217;s work differ.</p>
<p>I think Finkelstein is an idiot.  So does De Paul University, apparently.</p>
<p>You can jump to whatever hysterical conclusions you want. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not your &#8220;errand boy.&#8221;  Go find one of your &#8220;friends&#8221; to challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Williams</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4033</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaime:

  Please state which of NGF&#039;s books you&#039;ve read, and then kindly state what the thesis of each of these books is.  When you write &quot;He’s a self-hating head-case who in my estimation needs quite a bit of psychiatric help,&quot; I have a hard time believing you&#039;ve read--much less understood--anything Finkelstein has written. If I don&#039;t receive a direct response to this challenge, I will have to draw the appropriate conclusion: that you haven&#039;t taken the time to do your homework before launching into you ad hominem attack against NGF, i.e. you&#039;re a calcuating charlatan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaime:</p>
<p>  Please state which of NGF&#8217;s books you&#8217;ve read, and then kindly state what the thesis of each of these books is.  When you write &#8220;He’s a self-hating head-case who in my estimation needs quite a bit of psychiatric help,&#8221; I have a hard time believing you&#8217;ve read&#8211;much less understood&#8211;anything Finkelstein has written. If I don&#8217;t receive a direct response to this challenge, I will have to draw the appropriate conclusion: that you haven&#8217;t taken the time to do your homework before launching into you ad hominem attack against NGF, i.e. you&#8217;re a calcuating charlatan.</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4026</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Bill,

Actually I&#039;ve read some of  Finkelstein&#039;s screeds. They&#039;re opinions. No academic value to them. 

He&#039;s a self-hating head-case who in my estimation needs quite a bit of psychiatric help.  That he&#039;s been finally outed as a vindictive  fraud to boot was just a matter of time.

But as a vocal ands articulate self-hating curiosity, he&#039;s found currency with many kinds of bigots  (some of them quite violent!) and wacky conspiracy buffs. 

It&#039;s been amusing for a while, but now it&#039;s getting a bit tiresome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Bill,</p>
<p>Actually I&#8217;ve read some of  Finkelstein&#8217;s screeds. They&#8217;re opinions. No academic value to them. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s a self-hating head-case who in my estimation needs quite a bit of psychiatric help.  That he&#8217;s been finally outed as a vindictive  fraud to boot was just a matter of time.</p>
<p>But as a vocal ands articulate self-hating curiosity, he&#8217;s found currency with many kinds of bigots  (some of them quite violent!) and wacky conspiracy buffs. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been amusing for a while, but now it&#8217;s getting a bit tiresome.</p>
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		<title>By: jaime</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/academic-freedom-on-trial-norman-finkelstein-and-the-minority-report/#comment-4025</link>
		<dc:creator>jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Ward Churchill &amp; Kim Petersen&#039;s note above...

Churchill is a fraud, plagiarist and bogus academic. Period.
Pointing to Churchill as another &quot;victim&quot; as the author of this article defending NF does, certainly doesn&#039;t help Finkelstein&#039;s case in my view.

Ward Churchill&#039;s CDIB? UKB?  ....Who cares? Here&#039;s what really counts:

http://www.colorado.edu/news/reports/churchill/churchillreport051606.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Ward Churchill &amp; Kim Petersen&#8217;s note above&#8230;</p>
<p>Churchill is a fraud, plagiarist and bogus academic. Period.<br />
Pointing to Churchill as another &#8220;victim&#8221; as the author of this article defending NF does, certainly doesn&#8217;t help Finkelstein&#8217;s case in my view.</p>
<p>Ward Churchill&#8217;s CDIB? UKB?  &#8230;.Who cares? Here&#8217;s what really counts:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.colorado.edu/news/reports/churchill/churchillreport051606.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.colorado.edu/news/reports/churchill/churchillreport051606.html</a></p>
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