Comments on: US Middle East Wars: Social Opposition and Political Impotence http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/us-middle-east-wars-social-opposition-and-political-impotence/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:53:23 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/us-middle-east-wars-social-opposition-and-political-impotence/#comment-2637 Deadbeat Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:25:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/us-middle-east-wars-social-opposition-and-political-impotence/#comment-2637 Petras point is not what the two prior posters mentions. Of course ruling class ideology is an aspect. However Petras main point is that there is an absence of a real peace movement in the U.S. and the reason is that Zionism pervades much of these "progressive" movement. There is very little mention of Zionism and the so called "left" is actually to blame as they divert much of the reasons why the U.S is so engaged in the Middle East. As Petras mentions the oil interest was not particularly in favor of the illegal incursion in Iraq by the U.S. In fact Israel and Zionism are its biggest beneficiaries. The "War for Oil" mantra expressed by "progressives" is not as accurate as "War for Israel (Zionism)" would be. Petras point is not what the two prior posters mentions. Of course ruling class ideology is an aspect. However Petras main point is that there is an absence of a real peace movement in the U.S. and the reason is that Zionism pervades much of these “progressive” movement. There is very little mention of Zionism and the so called “left” is actually to blame as they divert much of the reasons why the U.S is so engaged in the Middle East.

As Petras mentions the oil interest was not particularly in favor of the illegal incursion in Iraq by the U.S. In fact Israel and Zionism are its biggest beneficiaries. The “War for Oil” mantra expressed by “progressives” is not as accurate as “War for Israel (Zionism)” would be.

]]> By: Joe Ciarrocca http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/us-middle-east-wars-social-opposition-and-political-impotence/#comment-2629 Joe Ciarrocca Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:38:06 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/us-middle-east-wars-social-opposition-and-political-impotence/#comment-2629 Response to Michael Kenney, he states "people no longer believe in the system"...My question, how could anyone have believed in this system, who took some time to stop, look around, look at people's faces, look at poverty, the discrimination, the inherent imbalances and inequities. The violence, the toysRus mentality...how could anyone have EVER believed in this system that is defined by the wealthy, represented by the wealthy and for the wealthy? There was never anything to 'believe' in. Response to Michael Kenney, he states “people no longer believe in the system”…My question, how could anyone have believed in this system, who took some time to stop, look around, look at people’s faces, look at poverty, the discrimination, the inherent imbalances and inequities. The violence, the toysRus mentality…how could anyone have EVER believed in this system that is defined by the wealthy, represented by the wealthy and for the wealthy? There was never anything to ‘believe’ in.

]]> By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/us-middle-east-wars-social-opposition-and-political-impotence/#comment-2613 Michael Kenny Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:04:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/us-middle-east-wars-social-opposition-and-political-impotence/#comment-2613 The situation Professor Petras describes has a positive side. Essentially, the same malasie that brought down the communist dictatorships and discredited their ideology has now struck capitalism. People no longer believe in the system. Communism was capitalism's crutch. The distruction of communism made the destruction of capitalism a realistic option. The only problem is that the alternative ideology, some form of political ecology I would guess from what seems to stir young people, is still only forming itself into a coherent ideological "package". Still, both 19th century liberalism and 20th century socialism started out that way, so hope springs eternal! The situation Professor Petras describes has a positive side. Essentially, the same malasie that brought down the communist dictatorships and discredited their ideology has now struck capitalism. People no longer believe in the system. Communism was capitalism’s crutch. The distruction of communism made the destruction of capitalism a realistic option. The only problem is that the alternative ideology, some form of political ecology I would guess from what seems to stir young people, is still only forming itself into a coherent ideological “package”. Still, both 19th century liberalism and 20th century socialism started out that way, so hope springs eternal!

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