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]]> By: Steve Sherman http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/the-us-social-forum-creating-an-alternative-world/#comment-2813 Steve Sherman Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:24:03 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/the-us-social-forum-creating-an-alternative-world/#comment-2813 I don't think the Social Forum was in any meaningful sense 'reformist'. It was not an effort to steer movements into the Democratic party, and, to the extent that it had a political focus (and social forums, do not, exactly, have one), it was highly critical of the 'nonprofit industrial complex' that contains movements in the US today. If revolutionary politics in the US are to have any relevance, they will blossom organically from movements, rather than from the fantasies of isolated activists or academics. The social forum opened up space for such blossoming. But things do not happen in an instance, or over four days. Perhaps even forty years from now it will be 'too soon to tell', in the wise words of a Chinese revolutionary discussing the French revolution, whether the US social forum made the impact desired. I don’t think the Social Forum was in any meaningful sense ‘reformist’. It was not an effort to steer movements into the Democratic party, and, to the extent that it had a political focus (and social forums, do not, exactly, have one), it was highly critical of the ‘nonprofit industrial complex’ that contains movements in the US today. If revolutionary politics in the US are to have any relevance, they will blossom organically from movements, rather than from the fantasies of isolated activists or academics. The social forum opened up space for such blossoming. But things do not happen in an instance, or over four days. Perhaps even forty years from now it will be ‘too soon to tell’, in the wise words of a Chinese revolutionary discussing the French revolution, whether the US social forum made the impact desired.

]]> By: David A. Smith http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/the-us-social-forum-creating-an-alternative-world/#comment-2787 David A. Smith Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:47:19 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/the-us-social-forum-creating-an-alternative-world/#comment-2787 Steve - I can't argue with anything you say. Only observe that such reformism isn't going to accomplish that "alternative" that Jason was after. Steve – I can’t argue with anything you say. Only observe that such reformism isn’t going to accomplish that “alternative” that Jason was after.

]]> By: Steve Sherman http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/the-us-social-forum-creating-an-alternative-world/#comment-2772 Steve Sherman Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:28:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/the-us-social-forum-creating-an-alternative-world/#comment-2772 David--The US Social Forum was not an attempt to disengage from the system. It was an attempt to bring together a variety of US social movements, on the sort of terms we wish to get together. I suppose 'the system' didn't care that we held it, or that 'a handful of ne'r do wells' (i.e. probably the largest, most varied gathering in the history of the US left) got together, or feel that there was much to fear from it taking place. There was little talk at the USSF about abolishing capitalism, either globally or within the US. There was no real alternative to participating in the usual economic institutions in order to eat and stay in Atlanta. But this is strikes me as an absurd bar to assess the event. The USSF brought the movements closer together, highlighting commonalities, and facilitating participation on terms of the movements. That was, I think , about all that could be achieved at this point. If the social forum process (or something similar) continues to work effectively over the next few decades, 'the system' may have something to worry about (much depends also, of course, on the relationship between US movements and global ones). But the social forum is a slow, uneven process, one that can't be judged by whether there was some sort of impossible break with the entirety of contemporary social relations in five days in Atlanta. David–The US Social Forum was not an attempt to disengage from the system. It was an attempt to bring together a variety of US social movements, on the sort of terms we wish to get together. I suppose ‘the system’ didn’t care that we held it, or that ‘a handful of ne’r do wells’ (i.e. probably the largest, most varied gathering in the history of the US left) got together, or feel that there was much to fear from it taking place. There was little talk at the USSF about abolishing capitalism, either globally or within the US. There was no real alternative to participating in the usual economic institutions in order to eat and stay in Atlanta. But this is strikes me as an absurd bar to assess the event. The USSF brought the movements closer together, highlighting commonalities, and facilitating participation on terms of the movements. That was, I think , about all that could be achieved at this point. If the social forum process (or something similar) continues to work effectively over the next few decades, ‘the system’ may have something to worry about (much depends also, of course, on the relationship between US movements and global ones). But the social forum is a slow, uneven process, one that can’t be judged by whether there was some sort of impossible break with the entirety of contemporary social relations in five days in Atlanta.

]]> By: David A. Smith http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/the-us-social-forum-creating-an-alternative-world/#comment-2746 David A. Smith Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:07:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/the-us-social-forum-creating-an-alternative-world/#comment-2746 Steven, If you think that my comment was glib, than you missed the point. Consider that when you fly to that "alternative" conference, you participate in the current global economic system by paying the airline (presumably with money you have earned at a job). When you book that hotel room, pay for your restaurant food while on that trip, and so on, you participate in the current global economic system. That system doesn't care what you talk about at that conference, as long as you hold it. When you figure your way out of that conundrum, you'll have gone a long way toward ending that system. Believe me, I'm sympathetic with Jason's value's. But long involvement in attempts to envision and then create a better world has given me a certain realism about the ability to disengage with the global economic system. Steven, If you think that my comment was glib, than you missed the point. Consider that when you fly to that “alternative” conference, you participate in the current global economic system by paying the airline (presumably with money you have earned at a job). When you book that hotel room, pay for your restaurant food while on that trip, and so on, you participate in the current global economic system. That system doesn’t care what you talk about at that conference, as long as you hold it. When you figure your way out of that conundrum, you’ll have gone a long way toward ending that system. Believe me, I’m sympathetic with Jason’s value’s. But long involvement in attempts to envision and then create a better world has given me a certain realism about the ability to disengage with the global economic system.

]]> By: Steven Sherman http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/the-us-social-forum-creating-an-alternative-world/#comment-2693 Steven Sherman Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:34:06 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/the-us-social-forum-creating-an-alternative-world/#comment-2693 David--It is all very well to make glib pronouncements about the world system allowing dissent. The real question is, how does the left--globally, nationally, etc. get back on its feet and renew itself? The US Social Forum brought together a genuinely fresh coalition--broadly speaking, the (predominantly white) global justice sorts associated with Seattle and the (predominantly non-white) activists associated with 'community organizing'. These two groups were not symbolically gathered on paper--they showed up in large numbers, indicating a real commitment to giving the social forum model a chance in the US. No formation like a party could conceivably gather a similar coalition at this juncture. Modelling another world is of course only a step, one which can be co-opted if it is not deepened. But it is also a necessary step for a left that still well remembers authoritarianism, puritanism, etc all invoked for purposes of 'revolution' and 'the left'. In other words, we have to have a sense of the sort of world we want before we can be confident about moving towards it. That cannot simply be developed on paper, but must be experienced, as I think Jason captures so well. David–It is all very well to make glib pronouncements about the world system allowing dissent. The real question is, how does the left–globally, nationally, etc. get back on its feet and renew itself? The US Social Forum brought together a genuinely fresh coalition–broadly speaking, the (predominantly white) global justice sorts associated with Seattle and the (predominantly non-white) activists associated with ‘community organizing’. These two groups were not symbolically gathered on paper–they showed up in large numbers, indicating a real commitment to giving the social forum model a chance in the US. No formation like a party could conceivably gather a similar coalition at this juncture. Modelling another world is of course only a step, one which can be co-opted if it is not deepened. But it is also a necessary step for a left that still well remembers authoritarianism, puritanism, etc all invoked for purposes of ‘revolution’ and ‘the left’. In other words, we have to have a sense of the sort of world we want before we can be confident about moving towards it. That cannot simply be developed on paper, but must be experienced, as I think Jason captures so well.

]]> By: David A. Smith http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/the-us-social-forum-creating-an-alternative-world/#comment-2625 David A. Smith Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:36:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/the-us-social-forum-creating-an-alternative-world/#comment-2625 The current world system is very good at allowing dissent to exist (the neo-con backed evangelicals not withstanding). This is primarily because outside of the primacy of the growth ethic and the profit motive, not much else matters. Not religion, not nationalism, not any "alternative" politics. Even those opposed to growth and profit can be tolerated to a certain extent. Because these primary values are so well established they are not threatened by a handful of ne'r do wells. If you establish an "alternative world" within the current world system, it is necessarily enveloped in that world system, the root values remain those of growth and profit. Think co-opt. The current world system is very good at allowing dissent to exist (the neo-con backed evangelicals not withstanding). This is primarily because outside of the primacy of the growth ethic and the profit motive, not much else matters. Not religion, not nationalism, not any “alternative” politics. Even those opposed to growth and profit can be tolerated to a certain extent. Because these primary values are so well established they are not threatened by a handful of ne’r do wells. If you establish an “alternative world” within the current world system, it is necessarily enveloped in that world system, the root values remain those of growth and profit. Think co-opt.

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