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		<title>By: Leslie Bradshaw</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/questioning-vaccines-is-not-fueled-by-ignorance/#comment-4198</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew and others don&#039;t get it - the CDC&#039;s own statistics show that measles had virtually died out (down over 90% in the previous 100 years) in the US before the vaccine was introduced.  Why is that you may wonder?  The answer is simple - sanitation (no more sewage in the streets), clean drinking water, improved hygeine, and that wonder of all wonders, access to fresh food on a more regular basis.  Yes thousands around the world die from measles each year but they die not because they have not been vaccinated but because they are forced to live in squalor.  The answer is easy, give them clean drinking water, a proper sewage system and some food and the most amazing thing will happen, their bodies will heal. And it will be a lot cheaper than giving them all expensive vaccines.  Just ask India where they have given children the polio vaccine 10 to 12 times and children are still contracting the disease - because they are starving and drinking dirty water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew and others don&#8217;t get it &#8211; the CDC&#8217;s own statistics show that measles had virtually died out (down over 90% in the previous 100 years) in the US before the vaccine was introduced.  Why is that you may wonder?  The answer is simple &#8211; sanitation (no more sewage in the streets), clean drinking water, improved hygeine, and that wonder of all wonders, access to fresh food on a more regular basis.  Yes thousands around the world die from measles each year but they die not because they have not been vaccinated but because they are forced to live in squalor.  The answer is easy, give them clean drinking water, a proper sewage system and some food and the most amazing thing will happen, their bodies will heal. And it will be a lot cheaper than giving them all expensive vaccines.  Just ask India where they have given children the polio vaccine 10 to 12 times and children are still contracting the disease &#8211; because they are starving and drinking dirty water.</p>
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		<title>By: Marge Grant</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/questioning-vaccines-is-not-fueled-by-ignorance/#comment-3204</link>
		<dc:creator>Marge Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dr. Tenpenny,

I would deeply appreciate your postal address to enable me to send
you a complimentary copy of my book: &quot;A Stolen Life.&quot;

Thank you very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dr. Tenpenny,</p>
<p>I would deeply appreciate your postal address to enable me to send<br />
you a complimentary copy of my book: &#8220;A Stolen Life.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/questioning-vaccines-is-not-fueled-by-ignorance/#comment-3135</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;The key to our modern day problem is to BUILD our immune systems.

I agree - a healthy immune system is indeed a good thing. How to get one is doesn&#039;t seem that difficult: good diet and a healthy lifestyle. The challenge is to achieve this - it always has been.

&gt;&gt; Many of the diseases we vaccinate against today were already disappearing before the event of vaccination. Plenty of government documentation, charts and stats on that.

Show your sources, and I&#039;ll believe you.

&gt;&gt; Vaccines only suppress, CONFUSE and kill our immune systems. VACCINES are the reason for the onslaught in recent years of all our new chronic diseases , auto-immune diseases, syndromes and behavioral disorders.

Vaccines ALSO prevent the diseases they are aimed at preventing. Which means that you don&#039;t get them and die. Which means that if you lead a generally unhealthy life in polluted cities and do no exercise, then you are much more likely to come down with a chronic disease.

&gt;&gt; Children in poor countries die of simple illnesses because they are mal-nourished and living in terrible unsanitary conditions. They do not have the immunity to fight off the diseases.

True. And how do you propose we solve this? Would vaccines help these children? Yes, they would.

&gt;&gt;If vaccines are so great, why is America so sick.? Out of 50 industrialized countries we are number 48 for chronic illness.

All industrialised countries vaccinate. Even the number 1 on your list with least chronic illness. Suggests the problem is elsewhere?

&gt;&gt; YOU CANNOT FOOL MOTHER NATURE. “Let the Herbs of the fields be your medicine” author: GOD (Bible). He did not say go to the corner drugstore, get your medications and swig them down with a COKE.

Who mentioned coke? Europe in the early middle ages was a very religious place. Pretty much everyone did what God (read the established church hierarchy at the time) said. There was little or no pollution, and food was completely organic and locally grown - no &quot;toxic, poisoned&quot; food there - although the supply was very unreliable (it took modern farming methods to fix that one).

BUT, avarage life expectancy was less than 25, and a horrifying number of children died in infancy. The &quot;Herbs of the fields&quot; weren&#039;t particularly effective.  This carried on pretty much unchanged, until the advent of &quot;western style&quot; medicine started to relieve SOME of the suffering.

This is the key: We are human, there are too many of us and we haven&#039;t yet properly learned to live in a way which is sustainable and healthy for our planet and everyone on it. Vaccines are one of the tools we have developed to try and relieve some of the suffering. They are not perfect by any means, and if we can find a better way we should, and will, make it happen. But so far we haven&#039;t.

Sharon can safely leave her children unvaccinated only because so many others HAVE been vaccinated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;The key to our modern day problem is to BUILD our immune systems.</p>
<p>I agree &#8211; a healthy immune system is indeed a good thing. How to get one is doesn&#8217;t seem that difficult: good diet and a healthy lifestyle. The challenge is to achieve this &#8211; it always has been.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Many of the diseases we vaccinate against today were already disappearing before the event of vaccination. Plenty of government documentation, charts and stats on that.</p>
<p>Show your sources, and I&#8217;ll believe you.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Vaccines only suppress, CONFUSE and kill our immune systems. VACCINES are the reason for the onslaught in recent years of all our new chronic diseases , auto-immune diseases, syndromes and behavioral disorders.</p>
<p>Vaccines ALSO prevent the diseases they are aimed at preventing. Which means that you don&#8217;t get them and die. Which means that if you lead a generally unhealthy life in polluted cities and do no exercise, then you are much more likely to come down with a chronic disease.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Children in poor countries die of simple illnesses because they are mal-nourished and living in terrible unsanitary conditions. They do not have the immunity to fight off the diseases.</p>
<p>True. And how do you propose we solve this? Would vaccines help these children? Yes, they would.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;If vaccines are so great, why is America so sick.? Out of 50 industrialized countries we are number 48 for chronic illness.</p>
<p>All industrialised countries vaccinate. Even the number 1 on your list with least chronic illness. Suggests the problem is elsewhere?</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; YOU CANNOT FOOL MOTHER NATURE. “Let the Herbs of the fields be your medicine” author: GOD (Bible). He did not say go to the corner drugstore, get your medications and swig them down with a COKE.</p>
<p>Who mentioned coke? Europe in the early middle ages was a very religious place. Pretty much everyone did what God (read the established church hierarchy at the time) said. There was little or no pollution, and food was completely organic and locally grown &#8211; no &#8220;toxic, poisoned&#8221; food there &#8211; although the supply was very unreliable (it took modern farming methods to fix that one).</p>
<p>BUT, avarage life expectancy was less than 25, and a horrifying number of children died in infancy. The &#8220;Herbs of the fields&#8221; weren&#8217;t particularly effective.  This carried on pretty much unchanged, until the advent of &#8220;western style&#8221; medicine started to relieve SOME of the suffering.</p>
<p>This is the key: We are human, there are too many of us and we haven&#8217;t yet properly learned to live in a way which is sustainable and healthy for our planet and everyone on it. Vaccines are one of the tools we have developed to try and relieve some of the suffering. They are not perfect by any means, and if we can find a better way we should, and will, make it happen. But so far we haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Sharon can safely leave her children unvaccinated only because so many others HAVE been vaccinated.</p>
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		<title>By: Leelee</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/questioning-vaccines-is-not-fueled-by-ignorance/#comment-3064</link>
		<dc:creator>Leelee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key to our modern day problem is to BUILD our immune systems.  How do we do that in our toxic,  poisoned, unsafe food supply world?  Good question.

Vaccines only suppress,  CONFUSE  and kill our immune systems.  VACCINES  are  the reason for the onslaught in recent years of all our new chronic diseases , auto-immune diseases, syndromes and behavioral disorders.  If you study the effect of vaccines AND  pharmaceuticals on the human race from a homeopathic standpoint it is a terrifying scenerio indeed.  

Many of  the diseases we vaccinate against today were already disappearing  before the event of vaccination.   Plenty of  government  documentation, charts and stats on that.

Children in poor countries die of simple illnesses  because they are mal-nourished and living in terrible unsanitary conditions.    They do not have the immunity to fight off the diseases.

65+ vaccine doses before age 15.     Two hundred more in development.
Shall we inject our infants with all of those too?    

How many VACCINES and PHARMACEUTICALS before the human race is gone?  I&#039;m afraid in coming years we are going to find out.  

If vaccines are so great, why is America so sick.? Out of 50 industrialized countries we are number 48 for chronic illness.
(Number 1 being the least).   Makes you want to scratch your head and say hmmmmm.....

YOU CANNOT FOOL MOTHER NATURE.  &quot;Let the Herbs of the fields be your medicine&quot;  author:  GOD (Bible).  He did not say go to the corner drugstore, get your medications and swig them down with a COKE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to our modern day problem is to BUILD our immune systems.  How do we do that in our toxic,  poisoned, unsafe food supply world?  Good question.</p>
<p>Vaccines only suppress,  CONFUSE  and kill our immune systems.  VACCINES  are  the reason for the onslaught in recent years of all our new chronic diseases , auto-immune diseases, syndromes and behavioral disorders.  If you study the effect of vaccines AND  pharmaceuticals on the human race from a homeopathic standpoint it is a terrifying scenerio indeed.  </p>
<p>Many of  the diseases we vaccinate against today were already disappearing  before the event of vaccination.   Plenty of  government  documentation, charts and stats on that.</p>
<p>Children in poor countries die of simple illnesses  because they are mal-nourished and living in terrible unsanitary conditions.    They do not have the immunity to fight off the diseases.</p>
<p>65+ vaccine doses before age 15.     Two hundred more in development.<br />
Shall we inject our infants with all of those too?    </p>
<p>How many VACCINES and PHARMACEUTICALS before the human race is gone?  I&#8217;m afraid in coming years we are going to find out.  </p>
<p>If vaccines are so great, why is America so sick.? Out of 50 industrialized countries we are number 48 for chronic illness.<br />
(Number 1 being the least).   Makes you want to scratch your head and say hmmmmm&#8230;..</p>
<p>YOU CANNOT FOOL MOTHER NATURE.  &#8220;Let the Herbs of the fields be your medicine&#8221;  author:  GOD (Bible).  He did not say go to the corner drugstore, get your medications and swig them down with a COKE.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/questioning-vaccines-is-not-fueled-by-ignorance/#comment-3056</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>871 000 deaths from measles in 1999

Mainly poor people far away, but still wouldn&#039;t it be nice if they could stay alive? Perhaps you could send some Echinachea tea?

--
Source WHO
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2006/pr11/en/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>871 000 deaths from measles in 1999</p>
<p>Mainly poor people far away, but still wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if they could stay alive? Perhaps you could send some Echinachea tea?</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Source WHO<br />
<a href="http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2006/pr11/en/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2006/pr11/en/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: sharon</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/questioning-vaccines-is-not-fueled-by-ignorance/#comment-3024</link>
		<dc:creator>sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;m continually amazed that ailments such as measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, and chickenpox are considered threatening enough to justify injecting children with the loathesome soup described by Dr. Tenpenny.

In the 1950s and beyond, these minor childhood ailments were a normal part of every childhood. They were so inconsequential that no one felt they justified so much as a visit to the doctor. Ordinary home nursing care (by mom) was sufficient. 

In rare instances, some of these ailments can be dangerous. But the literature I&#039;ve read suggests that the dangers of the vaccines are greater than the dangers of the ailments themselves.

For parents who are not vaccinating: I cured two of my daughters of chickenpox in two days by giving them Echinacea tea. One day after drinking the tea a couple of times a day, the itching stopped. After the second day, the sores dried up. If I remember right, I included chamomile and catnip in the tea, because both are mildly relaxing--and both are standard, very mild, all-purpose children&#039;s remedies. Also, Echinacea has no particular taste, other than a slightly gritty sensation on the tongue, so it&#039;s best to add something to give the tea a pleasant flavor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;m continually amazed that ailments such as measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, and chickenpox are considered threatening enough to justify injecting children with the loathesome soup described by Dr. Tenpenny.</p>
<p>In the 1950s and beyond, these minor childhood ailments were a normal part of every childhood. They were so inconsequential that no one felt they justified so much as a visit to the doctor. Ordinary home nursing care (by mom) was sufficient. </p>
<p>In rare instances, some of these ailments can be dangerous. But the literature I&#8217;ve read suggests that the dangers of the vaccines are greater than the dangers of the ailments themselves.</p>
<p>For parents who are not vaccinating: I cured two of my daughters of chickenpox in two days by giving them Echinacea tea. One day after drinking the tea a couple of times a day, the itching stopped. After the second day, the sores dried up. If I remember right, I included chamomile and catnip in the tea, because both are mildly relaxing&#8211;and both are standard, very mild, all-purpose children&#8217;s remedies. Also, Echinacea has no particular taste, other than a slightly gritty sensation on the tongue, so it&#8217;s best to add something to give the tea a pleasant flavor.</p>
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