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	<title>Comments on: Barack Obama&#8217;s Nuclear Ambitions</title>
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		<title>By: Quin</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-31934</link>
		<dc:creator>Quin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To anyone interested in global warming and energy I suggest Frontline: Heat -  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/heat/

Nuclear is the only technology we have that can serve as a reliable base energy source without producing greenhouse gasses.  Solar, wind, and hydroelectric are also good supplements to this.  Bioenergy technology is not viable yet, although this is a good option to invest in research for the future.  See: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080603102752.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To anyone interested in global warming and energy I suggest Frontline: Heat &#8211;  <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/heat/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/heat/</a></p>
<p>Nuclear is the only technology we have that can serve as a reliable base energy source without producing greenhouse gasses.  Solar, wind, and hydroelectric are also good supplements to this.  Bioenergy technology is not viable yet, although this is a good option to invest in research for the future.  See: <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080603102752.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080603102752.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-29698</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nuclear power is safe.  It is one of the most regulated industries in our country.  The individuals who operate the plants are continuously enrolled in sophisticated systematic training programs which include ongoing examinations to illustrate their abilities to operate the plant in a manner that places the safety of the health and public as top priority.  The current energy &quot;crisis&quot; that our country faces is a &quot;real&quot; problem.  A problem that requires a long term solution that includes reducing the amount of oil that we as a nation consume.  Alternatives such as wind and solar are great solutions as well.  However, they will not support the energy demand of our society alone.  Nuclear power is a solid variable in the equation of energy stability.  It currently provides 20% of our nations energy.  Along with other energy alternatives, nuclear power is tool that we must not discount as we move away from oil dependence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuclear power is safe.  It is one of the most regulated industries in our country.  The individuals who operate the plants are continuously enrolled in sophisticated systematic training programs which include ongoing examinations to illustrate their abilities to operate the plant in a manner that places the safety of the health and public as top priority.  The current energy &#8220;crisis&#8221; that our country faces is a &#8220;real&#8221; problem.  A problem that requires a long term solution that includes reducing the amount of oil that we as a nation consume.  Alternatives such as wind and solar are great solutions as well.  However, they will not support the energy demand of our society alone.  Nuclear power is a solid variable in the equation of energy stability.  It currently provides 20% of our nations energy.  Along with other energy alternatives, nuclear power is tool that we must not discount as we move away from oil dependence.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-28391</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who want more nuclear energy, think about this.  Would you want this in your backyard?  Would you want to raise your children near this?  Its not as safe as you think.  I live near the West Valley Demonstration Project, which is a nuclear waste management facility.  It is where they dump whats left over after making nuclear power.  It is being closed down now.  Read this:  
http://www.nirs.org/radwaste/decommissioning/wvexhumationmemoatt42805c.pdf
Letting the public know of any leaks is too late, we need to stop it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who want more nuclear energy, think about this.  Would you want this in your backyard?  Would you want to raise your children near this?  Its not as safe as you think.  I live near the West Valley Demonstration Project, which is a nuclear waste management facility.  It is where they dump whats left over after making nuclear power.  It is being closed down now.  Read this:<br />
<a href="http://www.nirs.org/radwaste/decommissioning/wvexhumationmemoatt42805c.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nirs.org/radwaste/decommissioning/wvexhumationmemoatt42805c.pdf</a><br />
Letting the public know of any leaks is too late, we need to stop it now.</p>
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		<title>By: Hussain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-21729</link>
		<dc:creator>Hussain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would rather glad to convey me data that requires the skills of maths and english while at learning stage.<br />
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		<title>By: Barrie Machin</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-5638</link>
		<dc:creator>Barrie Machin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This indicates how important it is for the whole antinuclear movement to combine effectively see my http://www.peacesource.net/.
It is noteworthy that it has come to light that Reagan told his staff that he would in no circumstances even retaliate with nuclear weapons because they are fundamentally immoral. His Star Wars policy was meant to bring the USSR to its economic knees. Burning other families does not help.
66% of Americans do not want nuclear weapons.
The candidates should use this to promote the Non Proliferation Treaty.  This means all countries get rid of and renounce the use of nuclear weapons
Sorry about the earlier errors. It is worth looking at the NPT see links on my website and http://www.motherearth.org/news/news.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This indicates how important it is for the whole antinuclear movement to combine effectively see my <a href="http://www.peacesource.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.peacesource.net/</a>.<br />
It is noteworthy that it has come to light that Reagan told his staff that he would in no circumstances even retaliate with nuclear weapons because they are fundamentally immoral. His Star Wars policy was meant to bring the USSR to its economic knees. Burning other families does not help.<br />
66% of Americans do not want nuclear weapons.<br />
The candidates should use this to promote the Non Proliferation Treaty.  This means all countries get rid of and renounce the use of nuclear weapons<br />
Sorry about the earlier errors. It is worth looking at the NPT see links on my website and <a href="http://www.motherearth.org/news/news.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.motherearth.org/news/news.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Barrie Machin</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-5054</link>
		<dc:creator>Barrie Machin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This indicates how important it is for the whole antinclear movement to combine effectively see my http://www.peacesource.net/.
It is noteworthy that it has come to light that Reagan told his staff that he would in no circumstancess even retaliate with nuclear weapons they are fundamentally immoral.  Hos start wars policy ws meant to bring the USSR to its economic knees. Burning other famileis does not help.
66% of Americans do not want nuclear weapons.
The candidates should use this to promote the MPT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This indicates how important it is for the whole antinclear movement to combine effectively see my <a href="http://www.peacesource.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.peacesource.net/</a>.<br />
It is noteworthy that it has come to light that Reagan told his staff that he would in no circumstancess even retaliate with nuclear weapons they are fundamentally immoral.  Hos start wars policy ws meant to bring the USSR to its economic knees. Burning other famileis does not help.<br />
66% of Americans do not want nuclear weapons.<br />
The candidates should use this to promote the MPT.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Adams</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2840</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like several other people who have commented, I am glad that Obama does not oppose atomic energy. It is a proven, viable means of producing reliable, moderate cost, emission free electricity. 

It is hard to imagine that people who consider themselves progressive can be opposed to electricity - it would be difficult to find a single other product whose availability has improved more lives and freed more people from a life of drudgery. One of the most important and effective components of the New Deal was the Rural Electrification Agency - it delivered electricity to people that previously depended on candles, chopped wood, and kerosene. 

In the developing world, there are billions of people who must depend on gathering firewood, have no lights by which to read and educate their children, and have no way to power refrigeration so they can preserve food or medicines.

In the developed world, power failures are headline events and there are often fatalities reported because of failed oxygen supplies, heat stroke, or CO intake from improperly vented alternatives like kerosene or candles.

Conservation is important, but so is reliable supply.  Progressive people that care about the environment should understand that atomic fission is clean enough to run inside sealed submarines and reliable enough so that some very smart people willingly spend months at a time sealed up with a reactor as their immediate neighbor.

Please spare me from citations referring to the work of the Rocky Mountain Institute. It is a tool of the fossil fuel industry that pays most of its bills through consulting contracts and publication fees.

During the 30 plus years that Amory Lovins, RMI&#039;s founder and two time college drop out, has claimed so many opportunities for energy savings, the world&#039;s energy consumption has more than doubled. That is pretty logical - the world&#039;s population has also more than doubled and the live saving benefits of electrical power have been spread to a larger portion of the population. That growth in electrical power supply should have been from well built, well operated nuclear fission reactors, but thanks to Lovins and others like him, the coal industry gained the lion&#039;s share of the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like several other people who have commented, I am glad that Obama does not oppose atomic energy. It is a proven, viable means of producing reliable, moderate cost, emission free electricity. </p>
<p>It is hard to imagine that people who consider themselves progressive can be opposed to electricity &#8211; it would be difficult to find a single other product whose availability has improved more lives and freed more people from a life of drudgery. One of the most important and effective components of the New Deal was the Rural Electrification Agency &#8211; it delivered electricity to people that previously depended on candles, chopped wood, and kerosene. </p>
<p>In the developing world, there are billions of people who must depend on gathering firewood, have no lights by which to read and educate their children, and have no way to power refrigeration so they can preserve food or medicines.</p>
<p>In the developed world, power failures are headline events and there are often fatalities reported because of failed oxygen supplies, heat stroke, or CO intake from improperly vented alternatives like kerosene or candles.</p>
<p>Conservation is important, but so is reliable supply.  Progressive people that care about the environment should understand that atomic fission is clean enough to run inside sealed submarines and reliable enough so that some very smart people willingly spend months at a time sealed up with a reactor as their immediate neighbor.</p>
<p>Please spare me from citations referring to the work of the Rocky Mountain Institute. It is a tool of the fossil fuel industry that pays most of its bills through consulting contracts and publication fees.</p>
<p>During the 30 plus years that Amory Lovins, RMI&#8217;s founder and two time college drop out, has claimed so many opportunities for energy savings, the world&#8217;s energy consumption has more than doubled. That is pretty logical &#8211; the world&#8217;s population has also more than doubled and the live saving benefits of electrical power have been spread to a larger portion of the population. That growth in electrical power supply should have been from well built, well operated nuclear fission reactors, but thanks to Lovins and others like him, the coal industry gained the lion&#8217;s share of the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2486</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I&#039;&#039;m with you, see my umpteen posts on this subject. The root issue is a self-centered economic system that has bled into our culture and our relationships. Our endless wars, our endless growth mentality, our free market fundamentalism, the our poisoning of the air we breath and the spare nothing mentality to  satisfy our greedy habits, whatever it takes to keep the capitalistic machine going, no cost is too much, whether it be the sanctity of the planet  or the lives of innocent men, women and children. These are all expendable, because in the end we must have stuff to buy to keep the glutoneous economy on its path of pathological growth. We will chance nuclear annihilation to satify this demand...this beast knows no limits. Ideology, religions, fear are all pretexts for the god of greed. Wherever capitalism reigns, its fangs and torn bodies follow - all collateral waste.

Barak Obama seems almost incidental (or at least he should be).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I&#8221;m with you, see my umpteen posts on this subject. The root issue is a self-centered economic system that has bled into our culture and our relationships. Our endless wars, our endless growth mentality, our free market fundamentalism, the our poisoning of the air we breath and the spare nothing mentality to  satisfy our greedy habits, whatever it takes to keep the capitalistic machine going, no cost is too much, whether it be the sanctity of the planet  or the lives of innocent men, women and children. These are all expendable, because in the end we must have stuff to buy to keep the glutoneous economy on its path of pathological growth. We will chance nuclear annihilation to satify this demand&#8230;this beast knows no limits. Ideology, religions, fear are all pretexts for the god of greed. Wherever capitalism reigns, its fangs and torn bodies follow &#8211; all collateral waste.</p>
<p>Barak Obama seems almost incidental (or at least he should be).</p>
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		<title>By: David A. Smith</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2477</link>
		<dc:creator>David A. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Progressives? Hah! Why aren&#039;t any of you questioning the fundamental growth ethic that underlies your debate? The question is not how we can replace (and ultimately add to) the energy we currently consume. The question is how do we tear down the economic structures that have us consuming unsustainable amounts of resources and destroying the environment at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Progressives? Hah! Why aren&#8217;t any of you questioning the fundamental growth ethic that underlies your debate? The question is not how we can replace (and ultimately add to) the energy we currently consume. The question is how do we tear down the economic structures that have us consuming unsustainable amounts of resources and destroying the environment at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2453</link>
		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 02:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good piece.  You might also have mentioned that Al Gore is no longer supportive of nuclear energy.  He says there are too many unknowns and its lead to the spread of WMD&#039;s.  It&#039;s sad to see the way people just ascribe whatever they want to believe to Mr.Obama.  I take him at his word and his words leave me unable to support him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good piece.  You might also have mentioned that Al Gore is no longer supportive of nuclear energy.  He says there are too many unknowns and its lead to the spread of WMD&#8217;s.  It&#8217;s sad to see the way people just ascribe whatever they want to believe to Mr.Obama.  I take him at his word and his words leave me unable to support him.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlgh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2451</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlgh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 02:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that the anti-nuclear dissident voices tout decentralized electric generation, fewer automobiles, more bicycles, and locally produced organic food.  
I am proud to live within sight of a 1300 megawatt nuclear power plant that does not stench the air.  
There is a transportation future using plug-in hybrids, and hydrogen fuel cells.  These options will need abundant electricity; and at the present time, this increased capacity will, for the most part be provided by coal and nuclear - and in my backyard frankly - I prefer nuclear.   
I commend Senator Obama for the sensible statement, &quot;it is reasonable — and realistic — for nuclear power to remain on the table for consideration.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that the anti-nuclear dissident voices tout decentralized electric generation, fewer automobiles, more bicycles, and locally produced organic food.<br />
I am proud to live within sight of a 1300 megawatt nuclear power plant that does not stench the air.<br />
There is a transportation future using plug-in hybrids, and hydrogen fuel cells.  These options will need abundant electricity; and at the present time, this increased capacity will, for the most part be provided by coal and nuclear &#8211; and in my backyard frankly &#8211; I prefer nuclear.<br />
I commend Senator Obama for the sensible statement, &#8220;it is reasonable — and realistic — for nuclear power to remain on the table for consideration.”</p>
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		<title>By: Rich A.</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2448</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 01:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As wolves in sheep&#039;s clothing&quot;?  Excuse me folks, but what is wrong with good, old-fashioned straight talk?   Why would anyone even ponder accepting anything but the truth?  

Some may view  &quot;...wolves.....&quot; as a pragmatic approach.  That is sad.  When decency and principle are compromised in the name of  &quot;pragmatism&quot;,  where does the  line get drawn? Who gets to decide which &quot;sacrifices of truth&quot; are acceptable?  

Watch out! &quot;Newspeak&quot;  is upon us!  The words of Edward R. Murrow,   &quot;All I can hope to teach my son is to tell the truth and fear no man&quot;  will fade into oblivion unless we have the collective courage to demand what all politicians owe us:  the truth....the uncompromised truth.

Others - more learned than I - have hit the nail on the head.  They warn that too many of us act as if it&#039;s the other guy who has to provide solutions  without disturbing our perceived freedoms.  What is wrong with simply passing a law requiring automobiles, pick-ups, SUVs, etc. etc. etc., to get 50 miles per gallon as a condition being driven on our highways?  I know auto makers will whine, and the oil cartel will whine,  but that last time I looked &quot;America the beautiful&quot; is supposed to be a nation governed of, by, and for the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As wolves in sheep&#8217;s clothing&#8221;?  Excuse me folks, but what is wrong with good, old-fashioned straight talk?   Why would anyone even ponder accepting anything but the truth?  </p>
<p>Some may view  &#8220;&#8230;wolves&#8230;..&#8221; as a pragmatic approach.  That is sad.  When decency and principle are compromised in the name of  &#8220;pragmatism&#8221;,  where does the  line get drawn? Who gets to decide which &#8220;sacrifices of truth&#8221; are acceptable?  </p>
<p>Watch out! &#8220;Newspeak&#8221;  is upon us!  The words of Edward R. Murrow,   &#8220;All I can hope to teach my son is to tell the truth and fear no man&#8221;  will fade into oblivion unless we have the collective courage to demand what all politicians owe us:  the truth&#8230;.the uncompromised truth.</p>
<p>Others &#8211; more learned than I &#8211; have hit the nail on the head.  They warn that too many of us act as if it&#8217;s the other guy who has to provide solutions  without disturbing our perceived freedoms.  What is wrong with simply passing a law requiring automobiles, pick-ups, SUVs, etc. etc. etc., to get 50 miles per gallon as a condition being driven on our highways?  I know auto makers will whine, and the oil cartel will whine,  but that last time I looked &#8220;America the beautiful&#8221; is supposed to be a nation governed of, by, and for the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2436</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By &quot;current solution&quot; I meant underwater turbines.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story%20php?storyId=6344642</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8220;current solution&#8221; I meant underwater turbines.<br />
<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story%20php?storyId=6344642" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story%20php?storyId=6344642</a></p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2435</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick Swailes,

First, my &quot;argument&quot; is based on an understanding of the &quot;problem&quot;. The problem is not nuclear reactors,  it is, instead, the consumption model the US  has been taken to the nth degree (endless unsustainable growth). Patching that up with technology does NOT solve the problem. That&#039;s fundamental (and I mean no insult) problem solving 101.

Second, if we are to take the assertion that we have better technology, i.e., science has brought us along from 25 years ago when we were all using an abacus, then I would ask:  Under what conditions would such technology be appropriate?

I don&#039;t think we&#039;re looking at the problem in its entirety, nor asking the right (or any) questions. We are simply doing what we&#039;ve always done: looking for easy ways (technological fixes) to have our cake and eat it to. There comes a time when there&#039;s just no more cake and we need to rethink what this is all about...instead of running full throttle down the cliff. (Consider the &quot;decision&quot; to go down the fossile fuel route about a century ago. Who woulda thunk!)

When you size the problem - the great thrust of India and China for instance (or are they not allowed their cake?) not to mention our own energy &quot;needs&quot; the nuclear waste problem becomes enormous. The cost of security, enormous... Now, at least according to most writers on this topic (Lester Brown is one) the infrastructure cost alone is prohibitive. But let&#039;s say he&#039;s working to the old nuke model. We are not France (and they are the only one&#039;s of any &quot;size&quot; who has gone in the nuclear direction (to the extent they have). But again, I&#039;ve posted on France and tried to use reason to demonstrate that France in no way compares to the US regarding our consumption habits. If the world follows your suggestion and goes nuclear (and we need to think in those global terms) then we&#039;ve shifted - as I&#039;ve said  - the issue to uranium and plutonium (one is better than the other don&#039;t remember which). We&#039;ll be scouring the globe for every last bit just to keep the baker making the cake that we keep eating at faster and faster rates.

There comes a time when you need to step back from the problem. (btw, I think the current solution (tho in its experimental stages is worth pursuing). Green solutions (non-nuke) create jobs, too. The word sustainability has to begin to resonate. It means something and it doesn&#039;t mean just keep looking for new nonrenewable sources of energy - that aint sustainable!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick Swailes,</p>
<p>First, my &#8220;argument&#8221; is based on an understanding of the &#8220;problem&#8221;. The problem is not nuclear reactors,  it is, instead, the consumption model the US  has been taken to the nth degree (endless unsustainable growth). Patching that up with technology does NOT solve the problem. That&#8217;s fundamental (and I mean no insult) problem solving 101.</p>
<p>Second, if we are to take the assertion that we have better technology, i.e., science has brought us along from 25 years ago when we were all using an abacus, then I would ask:  Under what conditions would such technology be appropriate?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re looking at the problem in its entirety, nor asking the right (or any) questions. We are simply doing what we&#8217;ve always done: looking for easy ways (technological fixes) to have our cake and eat it to. There comes a time when there&#8217;s just no more cake and we need to rethink what this is all about&#8230;instead of running full throttle down the cliff. (Consider the &#8220;decision&#8221; to go down the fossile fuel route about a century ago. Who woulda thunk!)</p>
<p>When you size the problem &#8211; the great thrust of India and China for instance (or are they not allowed their cake?) not to mention our own energy &#8220;needs&#8221; the nuclear waste problem becomes enormous. The cost of security, enormous&#8230; Now, at least according to most writers on this topic (Lester Brown is one) the infrastructure cost alone is prohibitive. But let&#8217;s say he&#8217;s working to the old nuke model. We are not France (and they are the only one&#8217;s of any &#8220;size&#8221; who has gone in the nuclear direction (to the extent they have). But again, I&#8217;ve posted on France and tried to use reason to demonstrate that France in no way compares to the US regarding our consumption habits. If the world follows your suggestion and goes nuclear (and we need to think in those global terms) then we&#8217;ve shifted &#8211; as I&#8217;ve said  &#8211; the issue to uranium and plutonium (one is better than the other don&#8217;t remember which). We&#8217;ll be scouring the globe for every last bit just to keep the baker making the cake that we keep eating at faster and faster rates.</p>
<p>There comes a time when you need to step back from the problem. (btw, I think the current solution (tho in its experimental stages is worth pursuing). Green solutions (non-nuke) create jobs, too. The word sustainability has to begin to resonate. It means something and it doesn&#8217;t mean just keep looking for new nonrenewable sources of energy &#8211; that aint sustainable!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Swailes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Swailes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, 

I think you are quite mistaken about nuclear energy.  I would assume you are basing efficiency numbers on the current reactors we are using in the US, which by mandate, are all over 25 years old.  There is no reason why we couldn&#039;t take a similar energy policy to Europe and switch to nuclear breeder reactors.  A lot of nuclear plants would have to be built, yay jobs!, and our overall environmental impact would go down significantly seeing as the only real waste product is excess heat and, of course, nuclear waste.  We have a temporary (1000 year) solution to the nuclear waste problem, in the form of Yucca Mountain, and hopefully somewhere in those thousand years we will have a more realistic solution to the problem of nuclear waste, just check out what these mushrooms in chernobyl can do!

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/677/

So, in my opinion, nuclear power is the most obvious solution for the near future; and heck, we may even be able to use that nuclear waste as an energy source in the next 50-100 years!

I am also a big proponent of taking advantage of undersea currents as a source of power, but the whole problem of international waters makes this a bureaucratic  nightmare for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, </p>
<p>I think you are quite mistaken about nuclear energy.  I would assume you are basing efficiency numbers on the current reactors we are using in the US, which by mandate, are all over 25 years old.  There is no reason why we couldn&#8217;t take a similar energy policy to Europe and switch to nuclear breeder reactors.  A lot of nuclear plants would have to be built, yay jobs!, and our overall environmental impact would go down significantly seeing as the only real waste product is excess heat and, of course, nuclear waste.  We have a temporary (1000 year) solution to the nuclear waste problem, in the form of Yucca Mountain, and hopefully somewhere in those thousand years we will have a more realistic solution to the problem of nuclear waste, just check out what these mushrooms in chernobyl can do!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/677/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/677/</a></p>
<p>So, in my opinion, nuclear power is the most obvious solution for the near future; and heck, we may even be able to use that nuclear waste as an energy source in the next 50-100 years!</p>
<p>I am also a big proponent of taking advantage of undersea currents as a source of power, but the whole problem of international waters makes this a bureaucratic  nightmare for now.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet W. H.</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2422</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet W. H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can a government &#039;by the rich for the rich&#039; be called &quot;democracy&#039;?
If we want to have  real democracy, we have to outlaw financial assistance our politicians receive from multinationals and the other powerful lobby groups such as AIPAC. Otherwise, we will keep on electing people whose first priority will be to serve the multinationals and the other lobby groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can a government &#8216;by the rich for the rich&#8217; be called &#8220;democracy&#8217;?<br />
If we want to have  real democracy, we have to outlaw financial assistance our politicians receive from multinationals and the other powerful lobby groups such as AIPAC. Otherwise, we will keep on electing people whose first priority will be to serve the multinationals and the other lobby groups.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2419</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand corrected. Auto emissions is number 2. But let&#039;s see the forest for the trees (no pun intended). The point is not to embark on a religious war about nuclear energy but to correct the course we&#039;ve taken. 

Nuclear energy, as we know it (promises aside) would not begin to touch the extent of the US consumption of energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected. Auto emissions is number 2. But let&#8217;s see the forest for the trees (no pun intended). The point is not to embark on a religious war about nuclear energy but to correct the course we&#8217;ve taken. </p>
<p>Nuclear energy, as we know it (promises aside) would not begin to touch the extent of the US consumption of energy.</p>
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		<title>By: KenG</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2416</link>
		<dc:creator>KenG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max Fields,

You are mistaken on the CO2 impact of electricity. In the US, electricity generation is the single biggest source of CO2, followed by transportation in second place.

Also, Bill Reiswig asked for a source for the CO2 lifecycle emissions of nuclear. It can be found here:
http://neinuclearnotes.blogspot.com/2007/05/crunching-numbers-on-nuclear.html
Follow the links for the source studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max Fields,</p>
<p>You are mistaken on the CO2 impact of electricity. In the US, electricity generation is the single biggest source of CO2, followed by transportation in second place.</p>
<p>Also, Bill Reiswig asked for a source for the CO2 lifecycle emissions of nuclear. It can be found here:<br />
<a href="http://neinuclearnotes.blogspot.com/2007/05/crunching-numbers-on-nuclear.html" rel="nofollow">http://neinuclearnotes.blogspot.com/2007/05/crunching-numbers-on-nuclear.html</a><br />
Follow the links for the source studies.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Fields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2400</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 02:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Hildner,
To the France nuclear program - let me see...how big is France? What is it&#039;s consumption of energy per capita?

Let&#039;s get real. To understand the problem in the US is to understand, as it stands, the enormity of the energy utilization we&#039;ve become addicted to. This is not some tiny nation-state (France pop. 60 mil, 212,935 square miles), with mostly small fuel efficient vehicles, $11/gallon gas prices, where most inhabitants are within urban centers, walking is thus common, as are bicycles, and mass transit is in the form of  highspeed rail.

This (US of A) is a 300 million people spotted over a 3,537,438.44 landscape for godsake! With massive interstates, no real mass transit, criss-crossing with 16 wheelers for goods transport (minimal rail), suburban sprawl up the ying-yang. (What&#039;s worse, at least thus far, this is the model that&#039;s been exported to China where the dimensions are 100 times worse!)

And we&#039;re suggesting France as our model (not for mass-transit and the other sustainable energy measures, but for nukes)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Hildner,<br />
To the France nuclear program &#8211; let me see&#8230;how big is France? What is it&#8217;s consumption of energy per capita?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get real. To understand the problem in the US is to understand, as it stands, the enormity of the energy utilization we&#8217;ve become addicted to. This is not some tiny nation-state (France pop. 60 mil, 212,935 square miles), with mostly small fuel efficient vehicles, $11/gallon gas prices, where most inhabitants are within urban centers, walking is thus common, as are bicycles, and mass transit is in the form of  highspeed rail.</p>
<p>This (US of A) is a 300 million people spotted over a 3,537,438.44 landscape for godsake! With massive interstates, no real mass transit, criss-crossing with 16 wheelers for goods transport (minimal rail), suburban sprawl up the ying-yang. (What&#8217;s worse, at least thus far, this is the model that&#8217;s been exported to China where the dimensions are 100 times worse!)</p>
<p>And we&#8217;re suggesting France as our model (not for mass-transit and the other sustainable energy measures, but for nukes)?</p>
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		<title>By: Max Fields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/barack-obamas-nuclear-ambitions/#comment-2393</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 23:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing regarding problem solving: by not paying attention to sustainability, that is consumption (along with production), we are simply shifting the problem from oil to a seach for the world&#039;s plutonium and uranium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing regarding problem solving: by not paying attention to sustainability, that is consumption (along with production), we are simply shifting the problem from oil to a seach for the world&#8217;s plutonium and uranium.</p>
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