Comments on: Democratic Deceit and Denial on War, Impeachment, Health Care and Prisons http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/585/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:09:19 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Bruce F http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/585/#comment-3354 Bruce F Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:16:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/585/#comment-3354 I agree with your characterization of the political proccess as being contaminated with "...Deceit, denial, omission, and wishful thinking. " I think that most people, including most voters, rely on the same sort of thinking to survive. How can a politician hope to win a plurality of the votes without appealing to the "normal" voter? The late, great Billmon said, and I'm paraphrasing, that to understand the American political scene required a close reading of both Pierre Janet and the Marquis de Sade. Amen. I agree with your characterization of the political proccess as being contaminated with “…Deceit, denial, omission, and wishful thinking. ”

I think that most people, including most voters, rely on the same sort of thinking to survive.

How can a politician hope to win a plurality of the votes without appealing to the “normal” voter?

The late, great Billmon said, and I’m paraphrasing, that to understand the American political scene required a close reading of both Pierre Janet and the Marquis de Sade.

Amen.

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/585/#comment-3353 Deadbeat Fri, 27 Jul 2007 00:36:59 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/585/#comment-3353 The Democrats basically conceded the race in 2000 to the Republicans. In 2004 the "Anybody But Bush" crowd even those on the left abandon principles to support war-monger Kerry. Once again look to the left to see what coming from the right The Democrats basically conceded the race in 2000 to the Republicans. In 2004 the “Anybody But Bush” crowd even those on the left abandon principles to support war-monger Kerry. Once again look to the left to see what coming from the right

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/585/#comment-3350 Max Shields Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:07:34 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/585/#comment-3350 Michael, Edwards' plan is so-called "universal" but not single payer. His plan would include continued privitization of health care. Kucinich's plan does not. Kucinich's plan is "Medicare For All". I know it can sound the same, but there's really a big difference. Michael,
Edwards’ plan is so-called “universal” but not single payer. His plan would include continued privitization of health care. Kucinich’s plan does not. Kucinich’s plan is “Medicare For All”.

I know it can sound the same, but there’s really a big difference.

]]> By: Michael Rappaport http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/585/#comment-3343 Michael Rappaport Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:29:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/585/#comment-3343 I have been a Democrat all my life, but I have very little hope for either one of the two parties anymore. I believe that anyone who wants to be president enough to run for the office probably should not be allowed to be president; it's all about power. In 1988, when Poppy Bush was running and said he wasn't much on the "vision thing," I believed he wanted to be president because he liked the trappings of the office. Of course, his son has proved to us that the "vision thing" can leave us in horrible shape when someone's visions are demented. BTW, I thought Edwards -- not just Kucinich -- also supported single payer health care. I have been a Democrat all my life, but I have very little hope for either one of the two parties anymore. I believe that anyone who wants to be president enough to run for the office probably should not be allowed to be president; it’s all about power.

In 1988, when Poppy Bush was running and said he wasn’t much on the “vision thing,” I believed he wanted to be president because he liked the trappings of the office. Of course, his son has proved to us that the “vision thing” can leave us in horrible shape when someone’s visions are demented.

BTW, I thought Edwards — not just Kucinich — also supported single payer health care.

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/585/#comment-3338 Max Shields Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:09:55 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/07/585/#comment-3338 More on Conyers from Ray McGovern John Conyers Is No Martin Luther King by Ray McGovern What do Rep. John Conyers (D-Michigan), chair of the House Committee on the Judiciary, and President George W. Bush have in common? They both think they can dis Cindy Sheehan and count on gossip columnists like the Washington Post’s Dana Milbank to trivialize an historic moment. I’ll give this to President Bush. He makes no pretence when he disses. He would not meet with Sheehan to define for her the "noble cause" for which her son Casey died or tell her why he had said it was "worth it." Conyers, on the other hand, was dripping with pretence as he met with Sheehan, Rev. Lennox Yearwood, and me yesterday in his office in the Rayburn building. I have seldom been so disappointed with someone I had previously held in high esteem. And before leaving, I told him so. Throwing salt in our wounds, he had us, and some fifty others in his anteroom arrested and taken out of action as the Capitol Police "processed" us for the next six hours. As we began our discussion with Conyers, it was as though he thought we were "born yesterday," as Harry Truman would put it. With feigned enthusiasm he began, Let’s hold a Town Hall meeting in Detroit so we can talk about impeachment. Get out my schedule; let’s see, we need to hear from everyone about this. http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=11348 More on Conyers from Ray McGovern

John Conyers Is No Martin Luther King

by Ray McGovern
What do Rep. John Conyers (D-Michigan), chair of the House Committee on the Judiciary, and President George W. Bush have in common? They both think they can dis Cindy Sheehan and count on gossip columnists like the Washington Post’s Dana Milbank to trivialize an historic moment.

I’ll give this to President Bush. He makes no pretence when he disses. He would not meet with Sheehan to define for her the “noble cause” for which her son Casey died or tell her why he had said it was “worth it.”

Conyers, on the other hand, was dripping with pretence as he met with Sheehan, Rev. Lennox Yearwood, and me yesterday in his office in the Rayburn building. I have seldom been so disappointed with someone I had previously held in high esteem. And before leaving, I told him so. Throwing salt in our wounds, he had us, and some fifty others in his anteroom arrested and taken out of action as the Capitol Police “processed” us for the next six hours.

As we began our discussion with Conyers, it was as though he thought we were “born yesterday,” as Harry Truman would put it. With feigned enthusiasm he began, Let’s hold a Town Hall meeting in Detroit so we can talk about impeachment. Get out my schedule; let’s see, we need to hear from everyone about this.
http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=11348

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