Comments on: There’s No Winning Strategy for a Lost War http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Dissident Voice : Bush Digs In as NYT Says Get Out http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-2715 Dissident Voice : Bush Digs In as NYT Says Get Out Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:01:35 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-2715 [...] in Iraq. Essentially, the Times is calling for a phased re-deployment of troops which won’t end the war in [...] [...] in Iraq. Essentially, the Times is calling for a phased re-deployment of troops which won’t end the war in [...]

]]> By: Davol http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1212 Davol Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:44:06 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1212 The problem with fighting a war with lies is that it tends to deny reality thus making reality the undefeatable opponent. It goes from telling lies about weapons of mass destruction, and complicity to 9/11 in order to start the war, all the way to the folly of calling the Iraqi resistance an "insurgency". The truth is that it can't possibly be this hard to give a country back to its own people. The war's goals of shoving privatization scams down the Iraqi's throats that have so far failed to fly in our democratic land, a mercenary army growing stronger while our military is being crippled by the war's mismanagement, not to mention no-bid contractors who exclude Iraqis from the rebuilding, and thinly veiled torture policies, have proven counter-productive and futile. A surge would have been helpful in the initial invasion, but now it's only purpose is to postpone the inevitable withdrawal. Truth is Bush and his creepy crew have done too much already to loose this war, and delaying the war's end is only letting him get away with his war crime. This is why we were taught back in Social Studies 101 that invasions of sovereign nations for unjustified reasons that amount to deliberate lies was a war crime. Now we know. The problem with fighting a war with lies is that it tends to deny reality thus making reality the undefeatable opponent. It goes from telling lies about weapons of mass destruction, and complicity to 9/11 in order to start the war, all the way to the folly of calling the Iraqi resistance an “insurgency”. The truth is that it can’t possibly be this hard to give a country back to its own people. The war’s goals of shoving privatization scams down the Iraqi’s throats that have so far failed to fly in our democratic land, a mercenary army growing stronger while our military is being crippled by the war’s mismanagement, not to mention no-bid contractors who exclude Iraqis from the rebuilding, and thinly veiled torture policies, have proven counter-productive and futile. A surge would have been helpful in the initial invasion, but now it’s only purpose is to postpone the inevitable withdrawal. Truth is Bush and his creepy crew have done too much already to loose this war, and delaying the war’s end is only letting him get away with his war crime. This is why we were taught back in Social Studies 101 that invasions of sovereign nations for unjustified reasons that amount to deliberate lies was a war crime. Now we know.

]]> By: Binh http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1195 Binh Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:25:30 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1195 RLaing: I addressed the U.S.'s main goals in an earlier article "Bush's Surge Fails Before It Starts" which can be found here: http://prisonerofstarvation.blogspot.com/2007/04/bushs-surge-fails-before-it-starts.html RLaing: I addressed the U.S.’s main goals in an earlier article “Bush’s Surge Fails Before It Starts” which can be found here:

http://prisonerofstarvation.blogspot.com/2007/04/bushs-surge-fails-before-it-starts.html

]]> By: RLaing http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1191 RLaing Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:37:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1191 To know whether or not the surge is succeeding, we need to know the actual goals of it, those held by the policital elites that arranged for it. I doubt very much that a reduction in civilian casualties was among them, whatever the rhetoric. To know whether or not the surge is succeeding, we need to know the actual goals of it, those held by the policital elites that arranged for it. I doubt very much that a reduction in civilian casualties was among them, whatever the rhetoric.

]]> By: RLaing http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1190 RLaing Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:29:31 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1190 Re: Kurdistan How are their neighbors going to take it? The Turks will sooner or later invade to stop it, and by now the U.S. will betray the Kurds out of sheer conditioned reflex. Re: Kurdistan

How are their neighbors going to take it? The Turks will sooner or later invade to stop it, and by now the U.S. will betray the Kurds out of sheer conditioned reflex.

]]> By: Leyla http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1163 Leyla Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:40:02 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1163 They are also creating a new nation called Kurdistan in the region, just to cause more confusion in the area. Because having just Israel in the region is not enough. The new government in Kurdistan is also a puppet government but the Kurds are so grateful to the Americans that they are very willingly accepting anything. How their neighbors going to take it is a very different story. They are also creating a new nation called Kurdistan in the region, just to cause more confusion in the area. Because having just Israel in the region is not enough. The new government in Kurdistan is also a puppet government but the Kurds are so grateful to the Americans that they are very willingly accepting anything. How their neighbors going to take it is a very different story.

]]> By: Empiricist http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1161 Empiricist Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:41:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1161 Let's face it, the American people can share in the blame too. We allowed Bush to win reelection knowing the core reasons he had given to launch the invasion of Iraq were false, and they continue! Let’s face it, the American people can share in the blame too. We allowed Bush to win reelection knowing the core reasons he had given to launch the invasion of Iraq were false, and they continue!

]]> By: g Anton http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1160 g Anton Thu, 07 Jun 2007 04:03:14 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1160 I hate incompetence! I think the above article is correct in that the occupation of Iraq is doomed to failure, but at least they (Bush, et al) could do a better job of controlling the news. As the old saying goes, "Figures don't lie, but liars do figure". Their attempt at making a silk purse out of a sow's ear is laughable. I hate incompetence! I think the above article is correct in that the occupation of Iraq is doomed to failure, but at least they (Bush, et al) could do a better job of controlling the news. As the old saying goes, “Figures don’t lie, but liars do figure”. Their attempt at making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear is laughable.

]]> By: Jon Koppenhoefer http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1155 Jon Koppenhoefer Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:57:06 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/there%e2%80%99s-no-winning-strategy-for-a-lost-war/#comment-1155 I'm not surprised that much of the administration's public statements don't make much sense; I'm convinced that none of the primary actors are as stupid as they seem. What bothers me is the lack of public comment on what Bush and Co. must have in mind for the future relationship of the US and Iraq. It would seem--by now--that they will establish Iraq as a garrison state, an outpost, to protect Western access to non-Saudi petroleum deposits. When they are done with Iraq and Iran, attention will be paid to South America, and, of course, Venezuela. Or am I completely naive? I’m not surprised that much of the administration’s public statements don’t make much sense; I’m convinced that none of the primary actors are as stupid as they seem.

What bothers me is the lack of public comment on what Bush and Co. must have in mind for the future relationship of the US and Iraq. It would seem–by now–that they will establish Iraq as a garrison state, an outpost, to protect Western access to non-Saudi petroleum deposits.

When they are done with Iraq and Iran, attention will be paid to South America, and, of course, Venezuela.

Or am I completely naive?

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