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	<title>Comments on: Prism of Peace: The Failure of the Israeli Left and the Two-State Solution</title>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/prism-of-peace-the-failure-of-the-israeli-left-and-the-two-state-solution/#comment-1456</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Benson,

Polls are always a bit tricky. I think the Palestinians wou desire to live in peace - as i think is the same desire of the Israelis. I find it hard to believe though that Palestinians would want to live in a &quot;Jewish&quot; state as second or third class citizens, as now seems the case.

I think we need to search for what is keeping this desire of the people at bay and not be satified with simple, pat answers; and by all means we should avoid caractures that give way to apartheid and racism and the continued cycle of death and destruction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Benson,</p>
<p>Polls are always a bit tricky. I think the Palestinians wou desire to live in peace &#8211; as i think is the same desire of the Israelis. I find it hard to believe though that Palestinians would want to live in a &#8220;Jewish&#8221; state as second or third class citizens, as now seems the case.</p>
<p>I think we need to search for what is keeping this desire of the people at bay and not be satified with simple, pat answers; and by all means we should avoid caractures that give way to apartheid and racism and the continued cycle of death and destruction.</p>
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		<title>By: Garret Benson</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/prism-of-peace-the-failure-of-the-israeli-left-and-the-two-state-solution/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>Garret Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the &quot;Zionist entity&quot; is dismantled, which Kanazi suggests would do the world a great service, it might come as a great disappointment to a lot of Arabs. A recent poll of Israeli-Arabs revealed if a Palestinian state was set up 68% would prefer to live in the Jewish state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the &#8220;Zionist entity&#8221; is dismantled, which Kanazi suggests would do the world a great service, it might come as a great disappointment to a lot of Arabs. A recent poll of Israeli-Arabs revealed if a Palestinian state was set up 68% would prefer to live in the Jewish state.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/prism-of-peace-the-failure-of-the-israeli-left-and-the-two-state-solution/#comment-1347</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 16:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the simplest thing would be for Israel to simply surrender and the 7 million people who live there offer themselves to the Palestinian authorities for disposition...Or at least whichever Palestinian Authorities are left after they finish killing each other off. 

Also there&#039;s no doubt that Jewish soldiers disguised alternately as Fatah and Hamas &quot;militants&quot; are  committing the mayhem outlined in this news story below.

ie:
Gaza Fighting Descends into New Brutality

By Nidal al-Mughrabi

GAZA, June 12 (Reuters) - For Gaza taxi driver Tamer Ammar, the internal fighting became all-out civil war when militants started killing their rivals by throwing them off 15-storey buildings and mutilating their bodies.

&quot;I think we are in Iraq, not in Gaza,&quot; said Ammar, a 40-year-old father of six.

&quot;Snipers on rooftops killing people. Bodies mutilated and dumped in the streets in very humiliating ways. Houses bombarded and civilians killed. What else does civil war means but this?&quot;

A surge in factional fighting between ruling Hamas Islamists and President Mahmoud Abbas&#039;s secular Fatah faction has killed at least 20 Palestinians in the last four days alone.

Well over 600 Palestinians have been killed in factional fighting since Hamas came to power in March 2006 after defeating Fatah in parliamentary elections, according to one prominent Palestinian human rights group.

Ceasefires have frequently been declared but never honoured for long.

Interspersed with drive-by shootings and rocket-propelled grenade attacks, both sides have shown extraordinary flashes of brutality in recent days.

A member of Abbas&#039;s Force 17 security service was the first to be thrown off a 15-storey building. A few hours later, Hamas accused Fatah of throwing a Hamas supporter off another building.

Fatah supporters gunned down a Hamas cleric outside his mosque. In another extraordinary attack, a top Fatah militant with ties to President Mahmoud Abbas&#039;s national security adviser, Mohammad Dahlan, was dragged out of his home and shot 40 times by Hamas gunmen, medics said.

Mohammad Ahmed-Hassan, a 35-year-old teacher, said &quot;Gaza is finished&quot;, calling the rash of killings &quot;genocide&quot;.

SEEKING SHELTER

Many of the 1.5 million residents of the Gaza Strip took shelter from the fighting by staying home. Thousands have sought to flee through neighbouring Egypt.

But for the vast majority of residents of the coastal strip, there is no way out.

At tense roadblocks across Gaza City, gunmen size up passing drivers, trying to pick out who is who by their clothes, family names, facial hair.

&quot;Gunmen ask bearded people if they are Hamas and sometimes they take them away even if they deny it,&quot; said one of Ammar&#039;s passenger, who did not give his name.

At Hamas-manned checkpoints, gunmen demanded to see ID cards to identify who was a member of a Fatah-led security force before taking them away.

Hamas radio stations have taken to openly describing Abbas as a collaborator, comparing him to General Antoine Lahd, who once commanded Israel&#039;s proxy army in south Lebanon.

A Fatah radio station accuses Hamas of following orders from Iran.

One Gaza doctor, who has examined the bodies of hundreds of Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel, said the level of cruelty in the factional fighting was &quot;beyond our imagination&quot;.

&quot;Israeli missiles can dismember bodies... but such brutality cannot be between people who are supposed to be brothers in arms,&quot; the doctor said.

Khaled Abdallah, a construction worker, said attacks by rival gunmen on the homes of Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas and Abbas could mark the point of no return.

&quot;I do not think they will ever reconcile. It is like pouring sand on a fire. It does not die out. Once some wind takes away the sand, the flames rise up again,&quot; he said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the simplest thing would be for Israel to simply surrender and the 7 million people who live there offer themselves to the Palestinian authorities for disposition&#8230;Or at least whichever Palestinian Authorities are left after they finish killing each other off. </p>
<p>Also there&#8217;s no doubt that Jewish soldiers disguised alternately as Fatah and Hamas &#8220;militants&#8221; are  committing the mayhem outlined in this news story below.</p>
<p>ie:<br />
Gaza Fighting Descends into New Brutality</p>
<p>By Nidal al-Mughrabi</p>
<p>GAZA, June 12 (Reuters) &#8211; For Gaza taxi driver Tamer Ammar, the internal fighting became all-out civil war when militants started killing their rivals by throwing them off 15-storey buildings and mutilating their bodies.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think we are in Iraq, not in Gaza,&#8221; said Ammar, a 40-year-old father of six.</p>
<p>&#8220;Snipers on rooftops killing people. Bodies mutilated and dumped in the streets in very humiliating ways. Houses bombarded and civilians killed. What else does civil war means but this?&#8221;</p>
<p>A surge in factional fighting between ruling Hamas Islamists and President Mahmoud Abbas&#8217;s secular Fatah faction has killed at least 20 Palestinians in the last four days alone.</p>
<p>Well over 600 Palestinians have been killed in factional fighting since Hamas came to power in March 2006 after defeating Fatah in parliamentary elections, according to one prominent Palestinian human rights group.</p>
<p>Ceasefires have frequently been declared but never honoured for long.</p>
<p>Interspersed with drive-by shootings and rocket-propelled grenade attacks, both sides have shown extraordinary flashes of brutality in recent days.</p>
<p>A member of Abbas&#8217;s Force 17 security service was the first to be thrown off a 15-storey building. A few hours later, Hamas accused Fatah of throwing a Hamas supporter off another building.</p>
<p>Fatah supporters gunned down a Hamas cleric outside his mosque. In another extraordinary attack, a top Fatah militant with ties to President Mahmoud Abbas&#8217;s national security adviser, Mohammad Dahlan, was dragged out of his home and shot 40 times by Hamas gunmen, medics said.</p>
<p>Mohammad Ahmed-Hassan, a 35-year-old teacher, said &#8220;Gaza is finished&#8221;, calling the rash of killings &#8220;genocide&#8221;.</p>
<p>SEEKING SHELTER</p>
<p>Many of the 1.5 million residents of the Gaza Strip took shelter from the fighting by staying home. Thousands have sought to flee through neighbouring Egypt.</p>
<p>But for the vast majority of residents of the coastal strip, there is no way out.</p>
<p>At tense roadblocks across Gaza City, gunmen size up passing drivers, trying to pick out who is who by their clothes, family names, facial hair.</p>
<p>&#8220;Gunmen ask bearded people if they are Hamas and sometimes they take them away even if they deny it,&#8221; said one of Ammar&#8217;s passenger, who did not give his name.</p>
<p>At Hamas-manned checkpoints, gunmen demanded to see ID cards to identify who was a member of a Fatah-led security force before taking them away.</p>
<p>Hamas radio stations have taken to openly describing Abbas as a collaborator, comparing him to General Antoine Lahd, who once commanded Israel&#8217;s proxy army in south Lebanon.</p>
<p>A Fatah radio station accuses Hamas of following orders from Iran.</p>
<p>One Gaza doctor, who has examined the bodies of hundreds of Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel, said the level of cruelty in the factional fighting was &#8220;beyond our imagination&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Israeli missiles can dismember bodies&#8230; but such brutality cannot be between people who are supposed to be brothers in arms,&#8221; the doctor said.</p>
<p>Khaled Abdallah, a construction worker, said attacks by rival gunmen on the homes of Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas and Abbas could mark the point of no return.</p>
<p>&#8220;I do not think they will ever reconcile. It is like pouring sand on a fire. It does not die out. Once some wind takes away the sand, the flames rise up again,&#8221; he said.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/prism-of-peace-the-failure-of-the-israeli-left-and-the-two-state-solution/#comment-1339</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a clear example of how Zionism has reared its ugly head to neuter genuine dialog regarding racism in the U.S.  They had years of practice in Isreal and have broght that strategy here to suppress genuine concerns of people of color and especially African American concerns.  One of these techniques is to use turn rhetoric on its head by labeling the oppressed as oppressors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a clear example of how Zionism has reared its ugly head to neuter genuine dialog regarding racism in the U.S.  They had years of practice in Isreal and have broght that strategy here to suppress genuine concerns of people of color and especially African American concerns.  One of these techniques is to use turn rhetoric on its head by labeling the oppressed as oppressors.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/prism-of-peace-the-failure-of-the-israeli-left-and-the-two-state-solution/#comment-1306</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kanazi, while you&#039;ve put your finger on the issue, you&#039;ve noted its complexity. There is a molification coupled with an aggressive perpetuation of the status quo working hand in hand. All parties - with the exception of the suffering going on in Gaza  - are playing a role in sustaining this pathological relationship.

Racisim is evident, but it is kept at bay by a people who are children of the Holocaust.  The state of Israel was a bad idea, fed by imperialists who needed to create a beachhead for Western hegemony in the area. Zionist played their central role and others followed.

This complex history, much of it airbrushed for Western consumption, does not provide the basis for peace. The peace movement is marginalized and they appear to find that position satisfactory for shoring up the notion that not all Jews, not all Israelis support this horror against Palistinianns. That said, they can sleep soundly. They equivocate to the Israeli psyche, the one that reminds them endlessly of the Holocaust.

The racism against Arabs (Muslim religion is demonized to the extent that there is Muslim solidarity with the Palestinian cause) is deep, but cannot be hidden in the faces of past &quot;peace/dove&quot; advocates like Peres. Here was a man who represented political peace - and last July he was the face of the fierciest aggression unleashed in recent times against Lebanon. 

No doubt there are exception, but the dominate power has found the pulse which will not allow this state to be &quot;chipped away&quot;. It may be that an orchestrated boycott, not against acedemics, but against apartheid and its root causes could change the dynamics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kanazi, while you&#8217;ve put your finger on the issue, you&#8217;ve noted its complexity. There is a molification coupled with an aggressive perpetuation of the status quo working hand in hand. All parties &#8211; with the exception of the suffering going on in Gaza  &#8211; are playing a role in sustaining this pathological relationship.</p>
<p>Racisim is evident, but it is kept at bay by a people who are children of the Holocaust.  The state of Israel was a bad idea, fed by imperialists who needed to create a beachhead for Western hegemony in the area. Zionist played their central role and others followed.</p>
<p>This complex history, much of it airbrushed for Western consumption, does not provide the basis for peace. The peace movement is marginalized and they appear to find that position satisfactory for shoring up the notion that not all Jews, not all Israelis support this horror against Palistinianns. That said, they can sleep soundly. They equivocate to the Israeli psyche, the one that reminds them endlessly of the Holocaust.</p>
<p>The racism against Arabs (Muslim religion is demonized to the extent that there is Muslim solidarity with the Palestinian cause) is deep, but cannot be hidden in the faces of past &#8220;peace/dove&#8221; advocates like Peres. Here was a man who represented political peace &#8211; and last July he was the face of the fierciest aggression unleashed in recent times against Lebanon. </p>
<p>No doubt there are exception, but the dominate power has found the pulse which will not allow this state to be &#8220;chipped away&#8221;. It may be that an orchestrated boycott, not against acedemics, but against apartheid and its root causes could change the dynamics.</p>
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