Comments on: Choosing One’s Poison: Holtschneider Decides to Face the Wrath of the Progressive Left Rather than the Monied, Pro-Israel Right http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:51:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Reed Richards http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-3360 Reed Richards Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:51:21 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-3360 Brandy, Carol White, Allyson, Lively discussion going on here! Let's be clear: Challenging the Israel Lobby is financial and career suicide. AIPAC and JINSA will DESTROY ANYONE WHO DARES TO CHALLENGE THEIR POWER IN WASHINGTON D.C.!! Professor Finkelstein is a man of very distinguished scholarship. I don't think one culd get five books on the subjects that he wrote about published without having some form of scholarly knowledge. But suffice it to say, more people like him are needed in the world. Issues of war and peace definitely need to be talked about in the arena of ideas. Keep the debate going!! Brandy, Carol White, Allyson,

Lively discussion going on here! Let’s be clear: Challenging the Israel Lobby is financial and career suicide. AIPAC and JINSA will DESTROY ANYONE WHO DARES TO CHALLENGE THEIR POWER IN WASHINGTON D.C.!!

Professor Finkelstein is a man of very distinguished scholarship. I don’t think one culd get five books on the subjects that he wrote about published without having some form of scholarly knowledge. But suffice it to say, more people like him are needed in the world. Issues of war and peace definitely need to be talked about in the arena of ideas.

Keep the debate going!!

]]> By: Bill Williams http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2373 Bill Williams Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:29:16 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2373 Is this the same Allyson who wrote this to NGF? From: Designnut777[at]aol.com To: normangf[at]hotmail.com Subject: Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 21:07:04 EDT Justice and dignity have prevailed! The Anti Zionist Self loathing Jew gets a taste of his own apartheid! He is now shown that his academic crediantials, or lack thereof have prohibited him from gaining the tenure he so wanted. Perhaps now a job in Iran???? Allyson A "Yenta for Zion" term coined by the dear teacher himself! Is this the same Allyson who wrote this to NGF?

From: Designnut777[at]aol.com
To: normangf[at]hotmail.com
Subject: Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 21:07:04 EDT

Justice and dignity have prevailed! The Anti Zionist Self loathing Jew gets a taste of his own apartheid! He is now shown that his academic crediantials, or lack thereof have prohibited him from gaining the tenure he so wanted. Perhaps now a job in Iran????

Allyson
A “Yenta for Zion”
term coined by the dear teacher himself!

]]> By: Carol White http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2346 Carol White Wed, 04 Jul 2007 05:43:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2346 Give Dershowitz five minutes. He will turn on DePaul as viciously as he ever attacked Finkelstein the minute they do not dance to the next tune he whistles. They have played the coward in this incident, and they will get repaid by this bully, as will other American colleges who react in like manner. The schoolyard bully doesn't stop until he is knocked flat. Give Dershowitz five minutes. He will turn on DePaul as viciously as he ever attacked Finkelstein the minute they do not dance to the next tune he whistles. They have played the coward in this incident, and they will get repaid by this bully, as will other American colleges who react in like manner. The schoolyard bully doesn’t stop until he is knocked flat.

]]> By: Carol White http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2345 Carol White Wed, 04 Jul 2007 05:43:46 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2345 Give Dershowitz five minutes. He will turn on DePaul as viciously as he ever attacked Finkelstein the minute they do not dance to the next tune he whistles. They have played the coward in this incident, and they will get repaid by this bully, as will other American colleges who react in like manner. The schoolyard bully doesn't stop until he is knocked flat. Give Dershowitz five minutes. He will turn on DePaul as viciously as he ever attacked Finkelstein the minute they do not dance to the next tune he whistles. They have played the coward in this incident, and they will get repaid by this bully, as will other American colleges who react in like manner. The schoolyard bully doesn’t stop until he is knocked flat.

]]> By: Brandy http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2317 Brandy Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:51:08 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2317 Noam Chomsky, one of the most cited scholars in all of humam history, praised Finkelstein's scholarship. As did Raul Hilberg, the founder of Holocaust Studies. If Dershowitz's "scholarship" were held to at least some decent standard, Harvard would send him packing. It just goes to show that these elite schools, these allegedly "best" schools, are more concerned with money and maintaining the status quo than standards for academic inquiry. Noam Chomsky, one of the most cited scholars in all of humam history, praised Finkelstein’s scholarship. As did Raul Hilberg, the founder of Holocaust Studies.

If Dershowitz’s “scholarship” were held to at least some decent standard, Harvard would send him packing. It just goes to show that these elite schools, these allegedly “best” schools, are more concerned with money and maintaining the status quo than standards for academic inquiry.

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2291 Hue Longer Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:49:52 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2291 Please locate and describe the personal attacks against you, Allyson (APS?). A personal suggestion would be to stop using "fact" like a clumsily swung hammer. Please locate and describe the personal attacks against you, Allyson (APS?). A personal suggestion would be to stop using “fact” like a clumsily swung hammer.

]]> By: APS http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2254 APS Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:12:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2254 Wow Allyson; You sure got'em stirred up like a hornets' nest. Not surprised to see the personal attacks against you though. After all, you are treading on a sacred cow by criticizing Finkelstein. Fact is, I picked up one of Finkelstein's books a few months ago, and it was surely the most one-sided piece of garbage I've ever read. Frankly, I'm not surprised that DePaul denied him tenure. Apparently, they still have some academic standards. Wow Allyson; You sure got’em stirred up like a hornets’ nest. Not surprised to see the personal attacks against you though. After all, you are treading on a sacred cow by criticizing Finkelstein. Fact is, I picked up one of Finkelstein’s books a few months ago, and it was surely the most one-sided piece of garbage I’ve ever read. Frankly, I’m not surprised that DePaul denied him tenure. Apparently, they still have some academic standards.

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2146 Mulga Mumblebrain Sun, 01 Jul 2007 03:08:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2146 It appears Allyson read another article. Maybe she is the bigot. Maybe she believes Israel a Divine State beyond criticism. Maybe she feels historical enquiry that does not concur with her prejudices must be suppressed. Maybe she believes Finkelstein is a 'self-hating Jew' or even a 'Jewish anti-Semite'. Maybe she has that beautifully closed mind, so typical of the Right, where Truth is Revealed, is a matter of Faith and the pretensions of argument and rationality must be rejected as the chattering of the Ungodly. It appears Allyson read another article. Maybe she is the bigot. Maybe she believes Israel a Divine State beyond criticism. Maybe she feels historical enquiry that does not concur with her prejudices must be suppressed. Maybe she believes Finkelstein is a ’self-hating Jew’ or even a ‘Jewish anti-Semite’. Maybe she has that beautifully closed mind, so typical of the Right, where Truth is Revealed, is a matter of Faith and the pretensions of argument and rationality must be rejected as the chattering of the Ungodly.

]]> By: Hue Longer http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2145 Hue Longer Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:48:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2145 Not to mention how it is you get one "fact" from three maybes Not to mention how it is you get one “fact” from three maybes

]]> By: Kim Petersen http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2139 Kim Petersen Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:59:19 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2139 As to your <em>maybe</em> Allison, the article contains a <em>surely</em></em>. "<em>Surely</em>, neither the UBPT or Holtschneider actually believed Alan Dershowitz’s argument that Finkelstein has no scholarship and only churns out one-sided agit prop. There are clearly no sound academic arguments that were offered either by Holtscheider or the UBPT that help any of us make sense of the 'decision.'" As to your maybe Allison, the article contains a surely.

“Surely, neither the UBPT or Holtschneider actually believed Alan Dershowitz’s argument that Finkelstein has no scholarship and only churns out one-sided agit prop. There are clearly no sound academic arguments that were offered either by Holtscheider or the UBPT that help any of us make sense of the ‘decision.’”

]]> By: don adams http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2137 don adams Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:45:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2137 Thank you for this article. There should be some attempt made to garner Catholic support for an attack on the DePaul administration in general and Holtschneider in particular. It is unfortunate that there appears no reasonable way to get at Dershowitz as he gets paid by Harvard and spends all his time attacking everyone in sight that experesses the slightest criticism of Israel. Dershowitz is surely a Jewish/Zionist version of Senator McCarthy, a man who sees an anti-Semite under every bed. I will send this article to my local pro-Israel rag, the San Diego Union Tribune and some others in the media. Regards, Don Adams Thank you for this article.

There should be some attempt made to garner Catholic support for an attack on the DePaul administration in general and Holtschneider in particular.

It is unfortunate that there appears no reasonable way to get at Dershowitz as he gets paid by Harvard and spends all his time attacking everyone in sight that experesses the slightest criticism of Israel.

Dershowitz is surely a Jewish/Zionist version of Senator McCarthy, a man who sees an anti-Semite under every bed.

I will send this article to my local pro-Israel rag, the San Diego Union Tribune and some others in the media.

Regards,

Don Adams

]]> By: allyson http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2122 allyson Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:04:25 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/06/choosing-one%e2%80%99s-poison-holtschneider-decides-to-face-the-wrath-of-the-progressive-left-rather-than-the-monied-pro-israel-right/#comment-2122 How about the fact that Holtschneider just did the right thing? Maybe Norman did not deserve tenure based on his lack of scholarly papers? Maybe he did thisngs that you were not aware of. Maybe Norman is just NOT QUALIFIED. How about the fact that Holtschneider just did the right thing? Maybe Norman did not deserve tenure based on his lack of scholarly papers? Maybe he did thisngs that you were not aware of. Maybe Norman is just NOT QUALIFIED.

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