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		<title>By: Alexander Billet</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/04/did-simmons-cave-to-imus/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Billet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 15:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Johnnie.  How does it feel to so willingly wallow in ignorance?  You&#039;ve conflated a very real oppression of women with human nature.  It&#039;s your kind of rhetoric that leads to the conclusion that women deserve to make less than men (and no I&#039;m not talking about your phone exec friend), and that women&#039;s only real role is to stay home and make babies.  Pat Robertson would be proud.  Strange bedfellows, eh? 

Human nature?  I can cite biologists and anthropologists that would not only disagree with your pretty narrow conception of that, but deliver a pretty hard intellectual smackdown to the kind of tripe you just recited.  I can tell you&#039;ve never studied a lick of &quot;evolution.&quot; 

Do some women &quot;enjoy&quot; parading around and men ogling them because it&#039;s &quot;natural,&quot; or because the people that run society have raised us with very specific conceptions of what men and women are supposed to be?  Human nature is fluid, and able to bend to the constructs of society.  Does that mean society is right, or even more in tune with what is natural?  Hell no...

Perhaps I am wasting my time responding to your post.  From reading your screed about &quot;summer homes,&quot; &quot;phone exec friends,&quot; etc, it sounds like you&#039;re much more at home with the record executive types who are perfectly fine with sitting in their ivory towers and using exploiting images of women as mere sex objects for their own personal gain.  

Oh, and by the way, on that last (particuarly offensive) point &quot;I&#039;ve never had a politically correct screw.&quot;  Here&#039;s one: screw you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Johnnie.  How does it feel to so willingly wallow in ignorance?  You&#8217;ve conflated a very real oppression of women with human nature.  It&#8217;s your kind of rhetoric that leads to the conclusion that women deserve to make less than men (and no I&#8217;m not talking about your phone exec friend), and that women&#8217;s only real role is to stay home and make babies.  Pat Robertson would be proud.  Strange bedfellows, eh? </p>
<p>Human nature?  I can cite biologists and anthropologists that would not only disagree with your pretty narrow conception of that, but deliver a pretty hard intellectual smackdown to the kind of tripe you just recited.  I can tell you&#8217;ve never studied a lick of &#8220;evolution.&#8221; </p>
<p>Do some women &#8220;enjoy&#8221; parading around and men ogling them because it&#8217;s &#8220;natural,&#8221; or because the people that run society have raised us with very specific conceptions of what men and women are supposed to be?  Human nature is fluid, and able to bend to the constructs of society.  Does that mean society is right, or even more in tune with what is natural?  Hell no&#8230;</p>
<p>Perhaps I am wasting my time responding to your post.  From reading your screed about &#8220;summer homes,&#8221; &#8220;phone exec friends,&#8221; etc, it sounds like you&#8217;re much more at home with the record executive types who are perfectly fine with sitting in their ivory towers and using exploiting images of women as mere sex objects for their own personal gain.  </p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, on that last (particuarly offensive) point &#8220;I&#8217;ve never had a politically correct screw.&#8221;  Here&#8217;s one: screw you.</p>
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		<title>By: johnnie</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/04/did-simmons-cave-to-imus/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>johnnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 23:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>only briefly read your article but i can assure you that stacies mom aka rachel hunter  enjoys every minute of being ogled. a stripper friend once told me that men looking at women is the most natural thing in the world. you are trying to change human nature. all the womens rights groups in the world are challenging evolution on this one. some time ago a telephone company  woman exec visited our summer house and  happily paraded around in next to nothing as did the surgeons wife and any other woman with a good  body. for all the rhetoric about men being pigs, they only do it because men want it , unequal opportunity , etc. ad nauseum many many women enjoy displaying themselves and unless you aspire to being a castrated eunuch you should learn that  that&#039;s just the way it is . besides, are we to become the new puritans?  what the heck is wrong with some good old fashioned lust  anyway?  p.s. i&#039;ve never had a politically correct screw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>only briefly read your article but i can assure you that stacies mom aka rachel hunter  enjoys every minute of being ogled. a stripper friend once told me that men looking at women is the most natural thing in the world. you are trying to change human nature. all the womens rights groups in the world are challenging evolution on this one. some time ago a telephone company  woman exec visited our summer house and  happily paraded around in next to nothing as did the surgeons wife and any other woman with a good  body. for all the rhetoric about men being pigs, they only do it because men want it , unequal opportunity , etc. ad nauseum many many women enjoy displaying themselves and unless you aspire to being a castrated eunuch you should learn that  that&#8217;s just the way it is . besides, are we to become the new puritans?  what the heck is wrong with some good old fashioned lust  anyway?  p.s. i&#8217;ve never had a politically correct screw.</p>
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		<title>By: nushooz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/04/did-simmons-cave-to-imus/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>nushooz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 13:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;First of all, neither Obama, Oprah, or any of the more right wing figures diverting the issue seem to know anything about hip-hop. One wonders why there is no mention of the socially hard-hitting rhymes of The Roots, Common or Talib Kweli.&quot;  

Actually, Common was on Oprah talking about the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First of all, neither Obama, Oprah, or any of the more right wing figures diverting the issue seem to know anything about hip-hop. One wonders why there is no mention of the socially hard-hitting rhymes of The Roots, Common or Talib Kweli.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Actually, Common was on Oprah talking about the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Ayana</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/04/did-simmons-cave-to-imus/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Ayana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 14:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed reading this article and the comments.  I think that its really important that we have this discussion.  I don&#039;t think that there is one right African American perspective on this.  If we don&#039;t all share the same view that doesn&#039;t mean that we aren&#039;t black enough or care about the our community.  Obama and Oprah are black too.  They just have their own perspecitives as a result of the experiences in their life.  We should listen without judging each other&#039;s blackness for a second.  We may not come to the same conclusions but we can learn from one another.

I like that this article touched on the issue of Clear Channel and their control of what is played on the airways across all musical genre&#039;s.  All of the music that is coming from the souls of our people are not  violent, sexual, and angry.  We are a diverse people but the powers that be may not see the profitablity in displaying it all.  I think that we need to put pressure on Clear Channel and hold them accountable.  At the same time we need to take control ourselves and make sure that we act responsibly and consider the impact of the messages that we send out like Russell Simmons has.  We can debate the motivations of Russell Simmons but at the end of the day its something that needs to be done for the health of our community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed reading this article and the comments.  I think that its really important that we have this discussion.  I don&#8217;t think that there is one right African American perspective on this.  If we don&#8217;t all share the same view that doesn&#8217;t mean that we aren&#8217;t black enough or care about the our community.  Obama and Oprah are black too.  They just have their own perspecitives as a result of the experiences in their life.  We should listen without judging each other&#8217;s blackness for a second.  We may not come to the same conclusions but we can learn from one another.</p>
<p>I like that this article touched on the issue of Clear Channel and their control of what is played on the airways across all musical genre&#8217;s.  All of the music that is coming from the souls of our people are not  violent, sexual, and angry.  We are a diverse people but the powers that be may not see the profitablity in displaying it all.  I think that we need to put pressure on Clear Channel and hold them accountable.  At the same time we need to take control ourselves and make sure that we act responsibly and consider the impact of the messages that we send out like Russell Simmons has.  We can debate the motivations of Russell Simmons but at the end of the day its something that needs to be done for the health of our community.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Billet</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/04/did-simmons-cave-to-imus/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Billet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 06:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Terry Howard: who is this &quot;vast majority&quot; you talk about?  What is shown on MTV and BET?  Do you really think these outlets really care about showing hip-hop for what it really is?  Or do you think, as I said in my article, that they care about perpetuating the myth and image that you laid out?  I am very happy that Cue linkes to an article by Jeff Chang and Dave Zirin (a good friend of mine).  That article lays out how hip-hop is marketed in a certain way (sexist, homophobic, etc) not because of what it actually is, but because of the demands of capitalism, which benefits greatly from portraying black men as savages waiting to be civilized by the benevolent white man.  Ultimately, the double standard that all black people are held up to is there in to music too.  How could it not be there in this society?

And yes, Deadbeat is right.  Go to your record collection.  Pick ten rock albums at random.  You will find most of the mysoginy of hip-hop is just as prevalent in &quot;white music&quot; (once again, mentioned in my article).  

The amount of hip-hop artists who really buy into sexism and exploitation isn&#039;t any more significant than any other type of music.  And that&#039;s the bottom line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Terry Howard: who is this &#8220;vast majority&#8221; you talk about?  What is shown on MTV and BET?  Do you really think these outlets really care about showing hip-hop for what it really is?  Or do you think, as I said in my article, that they care about perpetuating the myth and image that you laid out?  I am very happy that Cue linkes to an article by Jeff Chang and Dave Zirin (a good friend of mine).  That article lays out how hip-hop is marketed in a certain way (sexist, homophobic, etc) not because of what it actually is, but because of the demands of capitalism, which benefits greatly from portraying black men as savages waiting to be civilized by the benevolent white man.  Ultimately, the double standard that all black people are held up to is there in to music too.  How could it not be there in this society?</p>
<p>And yes, Deadbeat is right.  Go to your record collection.  Pick ten rock albums at random.  You will find most of the mysoginy of hip-hop is just as prevalent in &#8220;white music&#8221; (once again, mentioned in my article).  </p>
<p>The amount of hip-hop artists who really buy into sexism and exploitation isn&#8217;t any more significant than any other type of music.  And that&#8217;s the bottom line.</p>
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		<title>By: L. Cue</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/04/did-simmons-cave-to-imus/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>L. Cue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, I linked back to in at my site and here at Blogcritics.  Take a look when you can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, I linked back to in at my site and here at Blogcritics.  Take a look when you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Cue's Reviews-info on Eve, Joe, Zero G Flights and more! &#171; Canhead</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/04/did-simmons-cave-to-imus/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Cue's Reviews-info on Eve, Joe, Zero G Flights and more! &#171; Canhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Can&#8217;t Say That Anymore-Lorraine Ali/Newsweek Is Russell Simmons Playing Politics With Hip-Hop? by Alexander Billet Cleaning Out Rap Sewer- Fort Wayne.com  Jeff Chang and Dave Zirin: Hip-hop generation is fighting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Can&#8217;t Say That Anymore-Lorraine Ali/Newsweek Is Russell Simmons Playing Politics With Hip-Hop? by Alexander Billet Cleaning Out Rap Sewer- Fort Wayne.com  Jeff Chang and Dave Zirin: Hip-hop generation is fighting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/04/did-simmons-cave-to-imus/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are also women hiphop artist that we never get to hear they opinion on this issue.  Let me remind the previous poster that you can find misogynistic songs in all genre of music.  Therefore I&#039;d be really interested in hearing from female hiphop artist for their opinions and the recourse that they are talking to address this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are also women hiphop artist that we never get to hear they opinion on this issue.  Let me remind the previous poster that you can find misogynistic songs in all genre of music.  Therefore I&#8217;d be really interested in hearing from female hiphop artist for their opinions and the recourse that they are talking to address this.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Howard</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/04/did-simmons-cave-to-imus/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hip-hop is a response to the long-term degradation of blacks and other oppressed peoples in the United States.&quot;

Originally... partly... yes. But that statement becomes absurd in the face of the majority of hip-hop today that focuses solely on the topics of degrading women, doing drugs, beating or shooting people, and what can only be described as outlandish over the top hyper self absorbed greed. In the 80&#039;s you might have had songs that discussed these issues in the manner you mention, putting them in the context of being imprisoned by culture and how the desire is to overcome them. Certainly there are those artists today that still hold those artistic values. Jurassic 5 can be added to the list you already mentioned. But the fact remains that a large majority of the artists are putting out pointless trash that doesn&#039;t just talk about these issues minus the social concern, but actual glorifies them and does nothing more than perpetuate living like flat out animals, thereby perpetuating the oppression of the African American people without the need of help from the racist elements of white America one bit. The truth is, Russell Simmons is whitey, he&#039;s keeping the black man in the ghetto because that personae makes him filthy rich.

Russell Simmons is merely a dirt merchant in this garbage, and he is 100% within his rights to produce and promote speech that is disagreeable, disgusting or even damaging to culture. But if he is trying to tell people that ALL this stuff is culturally significant art, then he is just being an insincere scumbag. If he wants to be a scumbag, fine, more power to you, but have the guts to admit you are an audio porn pimp and stop acting like you are some soldier for the downtrodden. Be a man and admit what you are, or be a man and change. As it is now, he is not a man, but a worm who just wiggles only as much as he needs to get out of the line of fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hip-hop is a response to the long-term degradation of blacks and other oppressed peoples in the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>Originally&#8230; partly&#8230; yes. But that statement becomes absurd in the face of the majority of hip-hop today that focuses solely on the topics of degrading women, doing drugs, beating or shooting people, and what can only be described as outlandish over the top hyper self absorbed greed. In the 80&#8217;s you might have had songs that discussed these issues in the manner you mention, putting them in the context of being imprisoned by culture and how the desire is to overcome them. Certainly there are those artists today that still hold those artistic values. Jurassic 5 can be added to the list you already mentioned. But the fact remains that a large majority of the artists are putting out pointless trash that doesn&#8217;t just talk about these issues minus the social concern, but actual glorifies them and does nothing more than perpetuate living like flat out animals, thereby perpetuating the oppression of the African American people without the need of help from the racist elements of white America one bit. The truth is, Russell Simmons is whitey, he&#8217;s keeping the black man in the ghetto because that personae makes him filthy rich.</p>
<p>Russell Simmons is merely a dirt merchant in this garbage, and he is 100% within his rights to produce and promote speech that is disagreeable, disgusting or even damaging to culture. But if he is trying to tell people that ALL this stuff is culturally significant art, then he is just being an insincere scumbag. If he wants to be a scumbag, fine, more power to you, but have the guts to admit you are an audio porn pimp and stop acting like you are some soldier for the downtrodden. Be a man and admit what you are, or be a man and change. As it is now, he is not a man, but a worm who just wiggles only as much as he needs to get out of the line of fire.</p>
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		<title>By: whataboutourdaughters.org</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/04/did-simmons-cave-to-imus/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>whataboutourdaughters.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is much ado about nothing.  Russell Simmons is concerned with the bottom line. Nothing will happen as a result of this summit. 
I’m not interested in any committees, dialogues, commissions or a task force. Those are just ways to wear passionate people out. Diane Weathers said black women should take the lead in this fight. What are we going to DO now?
I&#039;ve created a blog whose sole focus is informing people about grassroots efforts to combat these negative images.  Whataboutourdaughters.org.  I also have a call in internet talk show on Saturdays at noon CST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is much ado about nothing.  Russell Simmons is concerned with the bottom line. Nothing will happen as a result of this summit.<br />
I’m not interested in any committees, dialogues, commissions or a task force. Those are just ways to wear passionate people out. Diane Weathers said black women should take the lead in this fight. What are we going to DO now?<br />
I&#8217;ve created a blog whose sole focus is informing people about grassroots efforts to combat these negative images.  Whataboutourdaughters.org.  I also have a call in internet talk show on Saturdays at noon CST.</p>
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		<title>By: Giles Babb</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2007/04/did-simmons-cave-to-imus/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Giles Babb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;.....the debate has shifted to all the flaws in black culture, and has merely reinforced the double standard that “white” culture simply isn’t held up to.&quot;

I&#039;m hoping this debate will shift to all the flaws in our hedonistic Western culture overall, and lead to &quot;white&quot;  culture &quot;pumping the brakes&quot; on their depraved culture of death as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;..the debate has shifted to all the flaws in black culture, and has merely reinforced the double standard that “white” culture simply isn’t held up to.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping this debate will shift to all the flaws in our hedonistic Western culture overall, and lead to &#8220;white&#8221;  culture &#8220;pumping the brakes&#8221; on their depraved culture of death as well.</p>
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